what would you say of the carnal child of God?
That's a good question. Jesus was born under the law, but He never had a carnal mind. "I must be about my Fathers business." (Luke 2:49) I think I might have found the answer. This is for everybody who reads this post, and not addressing your question only. If He wouldn't have been born under the law, He could not have been our redeemer. Galatians 4:4-5
Here is a conundrum of sorts. Paul preaches not to be under the law to the Galatians, and yet says that it’s carnal not to be subject to the law of God. As we can see by the Greek word
“*hupo,” being under the law is to be in an inferior position in comparison to the law. Now, if we are to be
**subject to the law because we are no longer of a carnal mind, we are to be in obedience to the law,
(**hupotasso) which puts us right back under the law. Hello???
Galatians 3:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept
under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
Galatians 4:4-5 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made
under the law,
[SUP]5 [/SUP]To redeem them that were
under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.
Galatians 4:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]Tell me, ye that desire to be
under the law, do ye not hear the law?
Galatians 5:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not
under the law.
*“Under” 5259
.*hupo hoop-o' a primary preposition; under, i.e. (with the genitive case=relating to birth In the comparative, especially of inferior position or condition.
As we see next,
“Subject,” “subjection,” and “submit” are all the same Greek word
**“huotasso” in the following scriptures. 5293.
**hupotasso hoop-ot-as'-so from 5259 and 5021; to subordinate to obey:--be under obedience
put under, be (put) in subjection (to, under), submit self unto.
Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded
is death; but to be spiritually minded
is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind
is enmity against God: for it is not **
subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.
Hebrews 12:9 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected
us, and we gave
them reverence: shall we not much rather be in **
subjection unto the Father of spirits, and live?
James 4:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7
**[/SUP]
Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you.
***“Ordained” 5021.
***tasso tas'-so appears only in certain tenses); to arrange in an orderly manner, i.e. assign or dispose (to a certain position or lot):--addict, appoint, determine, ordain, set.
Acts 13:48 (KJV)
[SUP]48 [/SUP]And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad, and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ***
ordained to eternal life believed.
So with these definitions, to be
ordained (***tasso) places us in a different *
position (*hupo) to the law even though we are in
**subjection to the
law (**hupotasso) if we are not of a carnal mind even though we are not under it. Henceforth, the change is within us, not within the law, because we are given the capability to see the spiritual relevance of the Law as a parable.
Matthew 13:13-14 (KJV)
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Therefore speak I to them in parables: because they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And in them is fulfilled the prophecy of Esaias, which saith, By hearing ye shall hear, and shall not understand; and seeing ye shall see, and shall not perceive:
Isaiah 6:9-10 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Make the heart of this people fat, and make their ears heavy, and shut their eyes; lest they see with their eyes, and hear with their ears, and understand with their heart, and convert, and be healed.
These 2 scriptures define the carnal mindset.
