What Laws are still valid to christians

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'For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to every one that believeth.'

(Romans 10:4)

'I do not frustrate the grace of God:
for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.'

(Galatians 2:21)

'Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'

(Galatians 2:16)
 
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OP:
This thread is dedicated for all, to receive a clear picture of which Laws are still in used today that God permits, if you have any to share please do, and please give an explanation on why the law still is in effect today in this age thank you and God bless

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

I belive it is to respect , the Overseers & Deacons when they are preaching the word of God to the congregation.

God bless
But, this is not LAW is it? This is just one of several instructions given by Paul to the Church in Corinth. If this is what you wish to discuss, I have completely misunderstood your question.

Sorry.

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'For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness
to every one that believeth.'

(Romans 10:4)

'I do not frustrate the grace of God:
for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.'

(Galatians 2:21)

'Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
but by the faith of Jesus Christ,
even we have believed in Jesus Christ,
that we might be justified by the faith of Christ,
and not by the works of the law:
for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.'

(Galatians 2:16)
Gods righteousness is imputed to us by grace. 2 Cor 5:21. That does not invalidate the law. The law has been satisfied by grace Who is Christ so we do not face eternal condemnation but receive eternal life. The law as it is written remains unchanged and still condemns all who refuse Gods grace.

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This ought to answer this OP once and for all, but then there are those..........:confused:

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...enant-wine-all-goda-s-word-4.html#post1445461

The physical was given so that we could understand the Spiritual !

An illustration of this entire concept of the “old” and the “new/renewed” covenants and how the new is not a separate unconnected entity which made the “old” obsolete, of no value, null and void, can be seen when doing a word study on the various key words, such as: “faultless” in Hebrews 8:7: “For if that firstcovenant had been faultless, then should no place have been sought for the second.” According to Strong’s Concordance, the word “faultless” in this verse is the Greek word # 278 ametameletos am-et-am-el'-ay-tos from 1 (as a negative particle) and a presumed derivative of 3338; irrevocable:--withoutrepentance, not to be repented of. Since it was derived from # 3338, I had to follow that back to see how it is described. And on it went but it got quite involved so I am going to skip the long Greek definitions for everything I was led to as I studied and consolidate things.

One thing I noticed was that the Greek word “meta” is part of all of these derivative words and that led me to the word we still use today – metamorphosis. (Strong’s #3339 = metamorphoo met-am-or-fo'-o from 3326 and 3445; to transform (literally or figuratively, "metamorphose"):--change, transfigure, transform) Consider the lowly caterpillar for a moment. The caterpillar hatches from the egg a butterfly laid on a leaf and lives out its life happily munching on the plant where it hatched. It can only eat certain varieties of leaves – a comparison in my own mind of the food of God’s Word that we need to consume to be spiritually nourished. Once it has eaten all it needs to grow as big as it is supposed to (compared to God’s timing for each level of His covenant to be accomplished, step-by-step), the caterpillar forms a chrysalis or pupa. I used to think that a caterpillar spun a chrysalis and then emerged, like a spider spins a web, but the caterpillar actually becomes the chrysalis and this is where the transformation we call metamorphosis occurs. While the caterpillar is in the form of the chrysalis, its body is changing – not dying! When all of the forming and changing is complete, the caterpillar emerges as a beautiful butterfly. The butterfly should be seen as a completion of the old, not because the caterpillar was faulty, but because it had its purpose to fulfill just like the levels of God’s covenant have to each be fulfilled so the next stage can be built upon it. The New/Renewed Covenant must be seen as COMPLETION OF THE OLD...NOT FAULTY – just incomplete, which is why Jesus said He came to “FULFILL” and not destroy what God had already set in place.

If one thinks about it, we can’t be born again if we have never been born so that too is based upon something “old” or in existence before the new birth. That reminded me of way back when our kids were young and we had a record of Barry McGuire singing Bullfrogs and Butterflies. And since everything God created has a spiritual application, if one rejects this concept, what does that say about him rejecting God’s perfect creation of which the butterfly is a part? Kill the caterpillar and see if a butterfly is ever produced. Break the cycle and both new and old cease to exist.

Face it, the dynamics are lost if the “old” is discarded.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vm3C-ALx7ao


 
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I thought this was helpful, and thought I might share this.

Do Christians have to obey the Old Testament laws?

The key to understanding this issue is knowing that the Old Testament law was given to the nation of Israel, not to Christians. Some of the laws were to reveal to the Israelites how to obey and please God (the Ten Commandments, for example). Some of the laws were to show the Israelites how to worship God and atone for sin (the sacrificial system). Some of the laws were intended to make the Israelites distinct from other nations (the food and clothing rules). None of the Old Testament law is binding on us today. When Jesus died on the cross, He put an end to the Old Testament law (
Romans 10:4;Galatians 3:23-25;Ephesians 2:15).

In place of the Old Testament law, we are under the law of Christ (
Galatians 6:2), which is to “love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind…and to love your neighbor as yourself” (Matthew 22:37-39). If we obey those two commands, we will be fulfilling all that Christ requires of us: “All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments” (Matthew 22:40). Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his comma​nds are not burdensome” (
1 John 5:3). The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior (Romans 7:7-9;Galatians 3:24). The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.

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And can we do that without first seeing God's love to us through Son?
How did you accomplish it if you found a higher path than the one narrow path already provided?you can start explaining with your life experiences with even the little details(if needed).It will help...if you did something extra.
Don't hide behind scriptures;)
 

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Gods righteousness is imputed to us by grace. 2 Cor 5:21. That does not invalidate the law. The law has been satisfied by grace Who is Christ so we do not face eternal condemnation but receive eternal life. The law as it is written remains unchanged and still condemns all who refuse Gods grace.

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Roger
Roger it seems by your statement you might be frustrating the Grace of God/ If one takes it for granted, that is on them
God's amazing love, Mercy is to all, those that do believe do change, and many are frustrated over what you just said and many when taking up the Law are deceived and do not see the grace as whole and trying of self frustrates the truth.

Been there, and back again, never gave up, frustrated senselessly. Now I walk in trust to all God has done for me and this entire world. I have been awakened by God and no longer frustrate this amazing grace
Passed from death to life, just as the Apostles have, even though they were never perfect in and of themselves and neither am I. I am resting in the finished work of Father through Son and you?
 

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[h=3]Frustrating grace with law[/h] [h=3][/h] [h=3]Romans 10:4[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
[h=3]Galatians 3:23-25[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
[h=3]Ephesians 2:15[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
[h=3]Galatians 2:21[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
[h=3]Galatians 6:2[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
[h=3]Matthew 22:37-39[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[h=3]Matthew 22:40[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

“This is love for God: to obey his commands. And his comma
nds are not burdensome

[h=3]James 2:10[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
[h=3]1 John 5:3[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
The Ten Commandments were essentially a summary of the entire Old Testament law. Nine of the Ten Commandments are clearly repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day). Obviously, if we are loving God, we will not be worshipping false gods or bowing down before idols. If we are loving our neighbors, we will not be murdering them, lying to them, committing adultery against them, or coveting what belongs to them. The purpose of the Old Testament law is to convict people of our inability to keep the law and point us to our need for Jesus Christ as Savior

[h=3]Romans 7:7-9[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]What shall we say then? Is the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin was dead. [SUP]9 [/SUP]For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
[h=3]Galatians 3:24[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
The Old Testament law was never intended by God to be the universal law for all people for all of time. We are to love God and love our neighbors. If we obey those two commands faithfully, we will be upholding all that God requires of us.

1 John 4:19
We love him, because he first loved us.

Now if we endeavor to find the depth of this love of God to us, might we not love back just as deep as we see the Love of God?

[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;

So you all, let us not frustrate this amazing grace and take advantage or get caught up in trying to obey it of our own flesh, that we walk away from it, being impossible to do from a flesh stand point, frustrated in wanting to obey and just can’t. The enemy comes to steal, kill and destroy through either getting us to take God’s love for granted; with I am forgiven so I can harm others, because I am forgiven.

Now that one sees not to take it for granted here comes the next twist to keep one from rest in our savior, Jesus Christ. You have to be perfect now through obeying Law.

See the straight betwixt? On one side God is taken for granted, and Forgiveness is used as an excuse for the flesh to sin, Christ being one’s escape goat.

On the other hand, Forgiveness is appreciated and not taken for granted, and one has become aware of their sin. Then one tries to stop sin in and of themselves and in everyone else around them. Frustrated this way and the other not, one is taking advantage and the other is killing you.
So how many of us have given up? Frustrated and how many of us hate to be frustrated?

[h=3]Galatians 2:21[/h] Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Okay, have we got a picture of the mystery yet?
Are we seeing the deception from the enemy to subvert the Christ and his finished work for you personally?
Did he die for the sins of the whole world, are we by Christ forgiven or not?

1 John 2:2
and he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
Romans 3:25
whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;
1 John 4:10
Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
Romans 4:7
saying, Blessed are they whose iniquities are forgiven, and whose sins are covered.
Ephesians 1:7
in whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Ephesians 4:32
and be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, even as God for Christ’s sake hath forgiven you.
Colossians 1:14
in whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
Colossians 2:13
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
1 John 2:12
I write unto you, little children, because your sins are forgiven you for his name’s sake.


You see this we are forgiven past tense, it is done for you and the entire world back at the cross? Is where the final sacrifice and shedding of blood has taken place, it is done, past tense, see it or not, love you no matter what is what God is saying waiting for us to appreciate this and receive this type of love and give it out a gift to all.

So what to do with this? Take it for granted and not really care or care enough to strive in the energy of our own flesh and be frustrated to death? And then walk away in total disgust over it? Or wake up in God’s finished work fro you and rejoice from the mountain top as Martin Luther did and my Brother John Schultz the third, when he told us, That God just loved him, and believe this he worked hard to enter God’s rest and did by seeing that God just loved him and all peoples.

Wake up I pray, we see by the grace of God we are made perfect and not of self by God through Son Jesus Christ and ask God for the new life in Spirit that God came to give, for now one might see how the enemy is still out to steal, kill and destroy through putting one under law or putting one under taking this Mercy from God through Christ for granted
John 10:10
The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.
What do you think this life more abundantly is in flesh or Spirit of God?
Love you and all, by God. God does just love you, working on that as the basis, God shows you the light and you decide when you see this amazing light from God as to believe God or not?
Homwardbound, Love to all
 

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Homwardbound, this is your confusion,thinking Jesus did it all on the cross, NO WAY HOSA! Sorry, just an expression to cut the ice. Jesus did not take your sins away on the cross. Jesus paid for our sins on the cross; But Jesus put my sins away from me when He saved me in 1961, with the new birth. The Spirit with the new birth killed the "law of sin and death" when Jesus saved us today. Love to all. Hoffco
So what do we do with this verse is it truth or not?
[h=3]Colossians 1:22[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

It is either done by Christ or it is not
 
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So what do we do with this verse is it truth or not?
Colossians 1:22

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:

It is either done by Christ or it is not
Same book and chapter proving that Jesus gave the law to Moses.

Colossians 1:16-20 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
 

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How did you accomplish it if you found a higher path than the one narrow path already provided?you can start explaining with your life experiences with even the little details(if needed).It will help...if you did something extra.
Don't hide behind scriptures;)
No problem, God is righteous and the only one that is ever, and we the creation are not and never will be in and of ourselves and all are in need of a Savior.
Christ is the perfect Savior.
God called me at the age of 12, and I have been shown to need God ever since, showing me in all my Failures as in not ever being able to be perfect in and of myself.
All that I have quit, was from God to quit, not of me, even though many can stop things on their own
Stopped Smoking, Drinking, carousing, all by God's amazing love, Mercy God has given. Giving God all the credit for all things needed for life and godliness in the midst of any and all of my sinful flesh behavior
The love, Mercy I saw while in the midst of doing many wrong things, caused me to seek out why God are you being so Merciful to me?
And I have no riches here on earth, have been abased, crippled beat up, shot, stabbed, in and out of emergency room. And have stood fast in belief, the same as Job. Will not and can not deny Father, and Son. Son Christ is the propitiation for all sin of this world in Father's sight, this is truth. Maybe seek to get Father's viewpoint not this worlds gloss of it and has either taken it for granted making a mockery out of it. Then comes trying to obey Law and can't by flesh ever accomplish it perfectly ever
So in conclusion one needs nothing more than Christ, the way,m the truth and the life in the Spirit of Father, no other way to Father
Thanks for asking
 
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How did you accomplish it if you found a higher path than the one narrow path already provided?you can start explaining with your life experiences with even the little details(if needed).It will help...if you did something extra.
Don't hide behind scriptures;)
The one and only Path to Father is through Christ period, is what I today see after many years trying to obey law and giving it up and taking it for granted been on both sides of that fence of deception that has taken hold today in this world and deceived many along the way
Seeing from Father's vantage point not this worlds, transformed by the renewing of my mind, thanks to God for revealing this, praying God does for you to, only if your motive is not selfish, God will, reveal this truth to you
 

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Same book and chapter proving that Jesus gave the law to Moses.

Colossians 1:16-20 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

[SUP]18 [/SUP]And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Love it and so it is all God and none of us, Thanks good to read in context and to finish that if we stand firm in the Faith:
[h=3]Colossians 1:21-23[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled [SUP]22 [/SUP]in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight: [SUP]23 [/SUP]if ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven; whereof I Paul am made a minister;
 
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Romans 10:1-17
1Brothers,[SUP]a[/SUP] my heart’s desire and prayer to God for them is that they may be saved. 2For I bear them witness that they have a zeal for God, but not according to knowledge. 3For, being ignorant of the righteousness of God, and seeking to establish their own, they did not submit to God’s righteousness. 4For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.[SUP]b[/SUP]

5For Moses writes about the righteousness that is based on the law, that the person who does the commandments shall live by them. 6But the righteousness based on faith says, “Do not say in your heart, ‘Who will ascend into heaven?’” (that is, to bring Christ down) 7“or ‘Who will descend into the abyss?’” (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead). 8But what does it say? “The word is near you, in your mouth and in your heart” (that is, the word of faith that we proclaim); 9because, if you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. 10For with the heart one believes and is justified, and with the mouth one confesses and is saved. 11For the Scripture says, “Everyone who believes in him will not be put to shame.” 12For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, bestowing his riches on all who call on him. 13For “everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved.”

14How then will they call on him in whom they have not believed? And how are they to believe in him of whom they have never heard?[SUP]c[/SUP] And how are they to hear without someone preaching? 15And how are they to preach unless they are sent? As it is written, “How beautiful are the feet of those who preach the good news!” 16But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?” 17So faith comes from hearing, and hearing through the word of Christ.
 
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The Ten Commandments are a summary of the Old Covenant
Exodus 34:28 “So he was there with the Lord forty days and forty nights. He neither ate bread nor drank water. And he wrote on the tablets the word of the covenant, the Ten Commandments.
Exodus 31:18 “And he gave to Moses when he had finished speaking with him on Mount Sinai, the two tablets of the testimony, tablets of stone, written with the finger of God.
Deut 4:13 “And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone”.
Deut 9:9 “When I went up the mountain to receive the tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant that the Lord made with you.”
Deut 9:11 “And at the end of forty days and forty nights the Lord gave me the two tablets of stone, the tablets of the covenant.”
The Old Covenant was an agreement between God and Israel, not God and Christians
Ex 31:12-17 And the Lord said to Moses, “You are to speak to the people of Israel and say, ‘Above all you shall keep my Sabbaths, for this is a sign between me and you throughout your generations, that you may know that I, the Lord, sanctify you. You shall keep the Sabbath, because it is holy to you. Everyone who profanes it shall be put to death. Whoever does any work on it, that soul shall be cut off from among his people. Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, holy to the Lord. Whoever does any work on the Sabbath day shall be put to death. Therefore the people of Israel shall keep the Sabbath, observing the Sabbath throughout their generations, as a covenant forever. It is a sign forever between me and the people of Israel that in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed.”
The Old Covenant is no longer in effect for ANYONE
Heb 8:13-9:4 In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away. Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. For a tent was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table, and the bread of the Presence. It is called the Holy Place. Behind the second curtain was a second section called the Most Holy Place, having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant.
Gal 3:17 This is what I mean: the law, which came 430 years afterwards, does not annul a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to make the promise void.
Gal 3:19 Why then the law? It was added because of transgressions, until the offspring should come to whom the promise had been made, and it was put in place through angels by an intermediary.
Gal 3:24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came, in order that we might be justified by faith
Gal 3:25 But now that faith is come, we are no longer under a guardian
2 Cor 3:4-18 Such is the confidence that we have through Christ toward God. Not that we are sufficient in ourselves to claim anything as coming from us, but our sufficiency is from God, who has made us sufficient to be ministers of a new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit. For the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life. Now if the ministry of death, carved in letters on stone, came with such glory that the Israelites could not gaze at Moses’ face because of its glory, which was being brought to an end, will not the ministry of the Spirit have even much more glory? For if there was glory in the ministry of condemnation, the ministry of righteousness must far exceed it in glory. Indeed, in this case, what once had glory has come to have no glory at all, because of the glory that surpasses it. For if what was being brought to an end came with glory, much more will what is permanent have glory. Since we have such a hope, we are very bold, not like Moses, who would put a veil over his face so that the Israelites might not gaze at the outcome of what was being brought to an end. But their minds were hardened. For to this day, when they read the old covenant, that same veil remains unlifted, because only through Christ is it taken away. Yes, to this day whenever Moses is read a veil lies over their hearts. But when one turns to the Lord, the veil is removed. Now the Lord is the Spirit, and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is freedom. And we all with unveiled face, beholding the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from one degree of glory to another. For this comes from the Lord who is the Spirit.
The Sabbath, as part of the Old Covenant, is not in affect for ANYONE
Gal 4:10 You observe days and months and seasons and years! I am afraid I may have labored over you in vain.
Rom 14:5-6 One person esteems one day as better than another, while another esteems all days alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind.
Col 2:16-17 Therefore let no one pass judgment on you in questions of food and drink, or with regard to a festival or a new moon or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the substance belongs to Christ
Jesus is our Sabbath or spiritual rest, and we enter into that spiritual rest by placing our faith in Him
Matt 11:28-30 Come to me, all who labor and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest. Take my yoke upon you, and lean from me, for I am gentle and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
Heb 4:1-8 Therefore, while the promise of entering his rest still stands, let us fear lest any of you should seem to have failed to reach it. For good news came to us just as to them, but the message they heard did not benefit them, because they were not united by faith with those who listened. For we who have believed enter that rest, as he has said, “As I swore in my wrath, They shall not enter my rest. “ although his works were finished from the foundation of the world. For he has somewhere spoken of the seventh day in this way: “And God rested on the seventh day from all his works.” And again in this passage he said, “They shall not enter my rest.”. Since therefore it remains for some to enter it, and those who formerly received the good news failed to enter because of disobedience, again he appoints a certain day, “Today”, saying through David so long afterward, in the words already quoted. “Today, if you hear his voice, do not harden your hearts.” For if Joshua had not given them rest, God would not have spoken of another day later on. So then there remains a Sabbath rest for the people of God, for whoever has entered God’s rest has also rested from is works as God did from his. Let us therefore strive to enter that rest, so that no one may fall by the same sort of disobedience.
Christians are under the New Covenant, which has much higher demands and different commandments
Luke 22:20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.”
Heb 9:15 Therefore, he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.
Jn 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
Jn 15:12 This is my commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
Jn 15:17 These things I command you, so that you will love one another
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.
 
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if you ask:What Laws are still valid to christians?
those that not against us, not fullfilled but what is that?
Colossians 2:14
14 | having blotted out the bond written in ordinances that
was against us, which was contrary to us: and he hath taken it out that way, nailing it to the cross;

--->before, we are unclean and nothing
Acts 10:28
28 | and he said unto them, Ye yourselves know how it
is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to join himself or come unto one of another nation; and 'yet' unto me hath God showed that I should not call any man common or unclean:

but not anymore, because of Jesus 'salvation
Colossians 3:11
11 | where there cannot be
Greek and Jew, circumcision and uncircumcision, barbarian, Scythian, bondman, freeman; but Christ is all, and in all.

--->before, we must be cicumcised in flesh
Exodus 12:48
48 | And when a stranger shall sojourn with thee, and will keep the passover to Jehovah, let all his males be
circumcised, and then let him come near and keep it; and he shall be as one that is born in the land: but no uncircumcised person shall eat thereof.

it was changed to circumcision of Christ
Colossians 2:11
11 | in whom ye were also circumcised with a
circumcision not made with hands, in the putting off of the body of the flesh, in the circumcision of Christ;

--->before, the jews made priesthood every year for their righteousness

Hebrews 9:25
25 | nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place
year by year with blood not his own;

because we need blood for the remission
Hebrews 9:22
22 | And according to the law, I may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and apart from shedding of blood there is no remission.



this law have weakness
Hebrews 7:18
18 | For there is a disannulling of a foregoing commandment because of
its weakness and unprofitableness
(foregoing commandment doesn't mean all the law, but the law of priesthood)
this weakness is:
Hebrews 10:3
3 | But in those 'sacrifices' there is a
remembrance made of sins year by year.

and now, it is fullfilled by the Christ priesthood in only one day, with Jesus' blood for the remission of all people who have faith in Him
Zechariah 3:9
9 | For, behold, the stone that I have set before Joshua; upon one stone are seven eyes: behold, I will engrave the graving thereof, saith Jehovah of hosts, and
I will remove the iniquity of that land in one day.


--->offering for sin
Hebrews 10:6
6 | In whole burnt offerings and 'sacrifices'
for sin thou hadst no pleasure:

 
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aldy

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Frustrating grace with law

Romans 10:4

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
it is not about all the law, the context is about the law that show the division between the jews and other nations
Romans 10:12
12 | For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek: for the same 'Lord' is Lord of all, and is rich unto all that call upon him:

because before the Christ comming, there is a distinction
Acts 10:28
28 | and he said unto them, Ye yourselves know how it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to join himself or come unto one of another nation; and 'yet' unto me hath God showed that I should not call any man common or unclean:

homwardbound said:
Galatians 3:23-25

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. [SUP]25 [/SUP]But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
the true meaning of this is:
someone who does not have faith but know and want to keep the law feel it is very hard to keep it, that is the meaning of under the law
this person want to keep the law even it is hard because it is the way to bring him to Christ

John 14:15
15 | If ye love me, ye will keep my commandments.


after someday with the schoolmaster, he begin to have faith by the hearing/word of Christ,
Romans 10:17
17 | So belief 'cometh' of hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.


because, he know that the law is good, he believe that the law give life as it is said

Ezekiel 20:11
11 | And I gave them my statutes, and showed them mine ordinances, which if a man do, he shall live in them.

and so, it will be easy to him to keep the law because he is motivated
homwardbound said:
Ephesians 2:15

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
if you turn your attention to the whole Ephesians 2 carefully, it is also about the law of division between the jews and other nations but not all the law
homwardbound said:
Galatians 2:21

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
if you continu to read until Galatians 3:29
He explain the way to have righteousness, baptism or circumsision of Christ

in
Galatians 3:1
1 | O foolish Galatians, who did bewitch you, before whose eyes Jesus Christ was openly set forth crucified?

He judge the Galatians as foolish because they already know this way to have righteousness but they think about the older way, "law of circumcision"
Galatians 2:3
3 | But not even Titus who was with me, being a Greek, was compelled to be circumcised:


the law of circumcision (Exodus 12:48) indicate that all other nation(Greek...) must be circumcised to be with the jews, but not now,not anylonger
Galatians 3:27 - 28
27 | For as many of you as were baptized into Christ did put on Christ.
28 | There can be neither Jew nor Greek, there can be neither bond nor free, there can be no male and female; for ye all are one 'man' in Christ Jesus.


homwardbound said:
Galatians 6:2

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]Bear ye one another’s burdens, and so fulfil the law of Christ.
yes and...?
if you fulfil the law of Christ, does it mean you abolish the law of the Father?
Jesus sais that He keeps Father's commandments

John 15:10
10 | If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.

you should keep Father's commandments too because:
1John 2:6
6 | he that saith he abideth in him ought himself also to walk even as he walked.

homwardbound said:
Matthew 22:37-39

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 22:40

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
Now, this does not mean the Old Testament law is irrelevant today. Many of the commands in the Old Testament law fall into the categories of “loving God” and “loving your neighbor.” The Old Testament law can be a good guidepost for knowing how to love God and knowing what goes into loving your neighbor. At the same time, to say that the Old Testament law applies to Christians today is incorrect. The Old Testament law is a unit (James 2:10). Either all of it applies, or none of it applies. If Christ fulfilled some of it, such as the sacrificial system, He fulfilled all of it.

it mean "loving your neighbor" if you do his commandment
1John 5:2
2 | Hereby we know that we love the children of God, when we love God and do his commandments.

James 2:10
10 | For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one 'point', he is become guilty of all.

for someone under grace, it is easy
Matthew 11:30
30 | For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

for someone under the law, it is hard
aldy said:
someone who does not have faith but know and want to keep the law feel it is very hard to keep it, that is the meaning of under the law

 
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Motivation to do good.