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Well, if you mean a secular rave, then basically you're inserting yourself into a drug, alcohol and sex fueled party set to music. This is the environment you're putting yourself in as a form of entertainment. Do you think that honors God?
I've been to Christian raves. Obviously free of all the junk that goes on in secular raves. But yeah, i would not put myself in a secular rave.
I've been to Christian raves. Obviously free of all the junk that goes on in secular raves. But yeah, i would not put myself in a secular rave.
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Well, I thought about what you said. It struck me a little, honestly.
Here is a thought I had. There is water at secular raves. People need it to keep going, especially the ones on drugs. Is it the water manufacturers fault for providing them with what they need to keep raving?
Another thought is that it's not the music itself causing the rave. It's the differing desires of people to come together and party. Like you said, there is some lude stuff that goes on, but should that dissuade me from making secular electronic music?
Here is a thought I had. There is water at secular raves. People need it to keep going, especially the ones on drugs. Is it the water manufacturers fault for providing them with what they need to keep raving?
Another thought is that it's not the music itself causing the rave. It's the differing desires of people to come together and party. Like you said, there is some lude stuff that goes on, but should that dissuade me from making secular electronic music?
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>but should that dissuade me from making secular electronic music?
If I could add my two cents, I'd say since EDM is a very vocal-less genre, there's nothing wrong about it solely by artistic expression, it's neutral. Does your music show your artistic expression? Great! Will some use it for personal/evil gain? Possibly. It's up to you at that point to decide whether you want to sacrifice your artistic expression for situations and people you'll have no control of from stopping though.
My suggestion, keep making music brother.
If I could add my two cents, I'd say since EDM is a very vocal-less genre, there's nothing wrong about it solely by artistic expression, it's neutral. Does your music show your artistic expression? Great! Will some use it for personal/evil gain? Possibly. It's up to you at that point to decide whether you want to sacrifice your artistic expression for situations and people you'll have no control of from stopping though.
My suggestion, keep making music brother.
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Well, if that water company is producing and selling water with the foreknowledge and intent to aid something that encourages this behavior, then yes, they would hold some culpability. If ravers just order some bulk water and the water company doesn't know, then no they don't.
I'm sorry, but your logic is the same as a parent that says 'well, kids are going to have sex, so i'm going to give my kids condoms instead of teaching abstinence'.
And yes, the music is actually a central part of the rave. The music is aimed at fueling the experience. This is why you don't hear Celine Dion and Whitney Houston singing ballads at raves. Because that wouldn't make the experience the same, it would change the dynamics. The music is an integral part of the rave. The core points of raves are drugs, sex and... music.
Sounds to me you are doing what most people do when they come to this site with a question. They ask, not for advice, but for someone to justify what they have already decided, even though their conscience bothers them. I've seen people get one answers telling them what they are doing is wrong, and one answer telling them its ok and they side with the one person. My thought is if you're feeling a need to ask at all, that should tell you something. But it's evident you aren't really seeking real advice, just support in defying your conscience.
I'm sorry, but your logic is the same as a parent that says 'well, kids are going to have sex, so i'm going to give my kids condoms instead of teaching abstinence'.
And yes, the music is actually a central part of the rave. The music is aimed at fueling the experience. This is why you don't hear Celine Dion and Whitney Houston singing ballads at raves. Because that wouldn't make the experience the same, it would change the dynamics. The music is an integral part of the rave. The core points of raves are drugs, sex and... music.
Sounds to me you are doing what most people do when they come to this site with a question. They ask, not for advice, but for someone to justify what they have already decided, even though their conscience bothers them. I've seen people get one answers telling them what they are doing is wrong, and one answer telling them its ok and they side with the one person. My thought is if you're feeling a need to ask at all, that should tell you something. But it's evident you aren't really seeking real advice, just support in defying your conscience.
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So if the water company is would be guilty for supplying ravers with water, does that mean God is guilty when He lets murderous people eat? "God sends rain on the just and unjust alike" And there is a Scripture about feeding one's enemies, too. Coals of fire and all that.
It's not that I'm trying to ignore my conscience. I have mental illness. A VERY serious one. Also, I'm pretty sure I have PTSD after reading over the symptoms on wikipedia and considering many things I have gone through. So, combine those two, and I cannot usually ever be quite certain that anything I think I can be certain of I can actually be. Which is why I come asking for input, because not everyone has mental illness, and not everyone has such a hard time discerning right from wrong.
You are correct that the music is a big part of a rave. But imagine this - what if there was no music, and everyone was on ecstasy? What do you think they'd be doing on the "dance floor".
As for your comment about abstinence; it's good if one can manage it, but if you know your child is in fact going to be having sex I think condoms are definitely in order. Is it better to experiment with sin at a young age, incapable of parenting (basically), and bear no children, or is it better to fail at abstinence and create a life which will almost guaranteed include much suffering (or an abortion)?
I know there are tons of bad things that happen. It is not my intent to create music to go around and be lude to. However, it could happen, indeed it may. Someone could read a Bible and come up with all kinds of ways to be evil. Did God sin, then?
I just want to know if God is going to hold me accountable if people do things to my music that I am not intending it for.
Should a car manufacturer who makes a very safe vehicle be held accountable when someone drives irresponsibly and gets hurt? If someone decides to fashion a club out of a branch of a tree and commit violence should we ban wood from the populated areas?
See, these are all good arguments against my guilt in such a situation. And yet I still have doubts, though less than before. But no, I am not trying to ignore my conscience or take the easy way out. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here to begin with.
edit: One time my conscience told me I had to give CPR to rocks because I believed at the time God was so evil He was starving them of air and it was my duty to provide as much as I could while the rest of the rocks in our back yard went without. I obeyed my conscience then. Mental illness is awful, at times.
edit two: You said "if you feel a need to ask that should tell you something" - my reply is that if people feel they need to ask it is because they need guidance, if they're not doing what you accused me of
It's not that I'm trying to ignore my conscience. I have mental illness. A VERY serious one. Also, I'm pretty sure I have PTSD after reading over the symptoms on wikipedia and considering many things I have gone through. So, combine those two, and I cannot usually ever be quite certain that anything I think I can be certain of I can actually be. Which is why I come asking for input, because not everyone has mental illness, and not everyone has such a hard time discerning right from wrong.
You are correct that the music is a big part of a rave. But imagine this - what if there was no music, and everyone was on ecstasy? What do you think they'd be doing on the "dance floor".
As for your comment about abstinence; it's good if one can manage it, but if you know your child is in fact going to be having sex I think condoms are definitely in order. Is it better to experiment with sin at a young age, incapable of parenting (basically), and bear no children, or is it better to fail at abstinence and create a life which will almost guaranteed include much suffering (or an abortion)?
I know there are tons of bad things that happen. It is not my intent to create music to go around and be lude to. However, it could happen, indeed it may. Someone could read a Bible and come up with all kinds of ways to be evil. Did God sin, then?
I just want to know if God is going to hold me accountable if people do things to my music that I am not intending it for.
Should a car manufacturer who makes a very safe vehicle be held accountable when someone drives irresponsibly and gets hurt? If someone decides to fashion a club out of a branch of a tree and commit violence should we ban wood from the populated areas?
See, these are all good arguments against my guilt in such a situation. And yet I still have doubts, though less than before. But no, I am not trying to ignore my conscience or take the easy way out. If I didn't care, I wouldn't be here to begin with.
edit: One time my conscience told me I had to give CPR to rocks because I believed at the time God was so evil He was starving them of air and it was my duty to provide as much as I could while the rest of the rocks in our back yard went without. I obeyed my conscience then. Mental illness is awful, at times.
edit two: You said "if you feel a need to ask that should tell you something" - my reply is that if people feel they need to ask it is because they need guidance, if they're not doing what you accused me of
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>Do you think I should release it? And if so, in what way?
You should release it on limited ice vinyl haha
[video=youtube;U9Q88uTdgWY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Q88uTdgWY&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]
I would recommend releasing your music on Bandcamp, especially if you're leaning on making albums and EP's (plus, you can potentially make money off them by putting a price or "name your price" option)
If you only plan on releasing individual songs (my least favorite alternative) then Soundcloud is the direction you may want to go.
Good luck bruh, please share it with us when you upload it!
You should release it on limited ice vinyl haha
[video=youtube;U9Q88uTdgWY]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9Q88uTdgWY&feature=youtube_gdata_player[/video]
I would recommend releasing your music on Bandcamp, especially if you're leaning on making albums and EP's (plus, you can potentially make money off them by putting a price or "name your price" option)
If you only plan on releasing individual songs (my least favorite alternative) then Soundcloud is the direction you may want to go.
Good luck bruh, please share it with us when you upload it!
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Well, here are 4 full-lenght(ish) releases WaxHeart.net - Music download & stream
Never understood why people listen to christian music because they feel the need to since its christian. Isnt that why we go to church and try to be good people for god? I feel like a lot of people who listen to christian music are no better and sometimes worst than bad people. I feel like most people are pressured or even brainwashed to feel that christian music should be the only music they listen to. I dont remember anything in the bible saying what music you should listen to.
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This. I'm admittedly one who "eats from the table". But I eat with discernment like Paul outlined, and I believe when this is in harmony with a love for music, you'll get unbelievable results.
"Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things"
"Finally, brothers and sisters, whatever is true, whatever is noble, whatever is right, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is admirable--if anything is excellent or praiseworthy--think about such things"
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I strongly believe that it is not sin to listen and enjoy secular music. But we as Christians do need to use discernment and wisdom when we choose the type of secular music we listen to. I personally like Country music. But I realize that others like other types of music. Granted music has changed a lot over the years and I used to like the rock and roll of the 1980s But it has changed so much I do not feel comfortable listening to that style of today's music. I do know many others that feel the same way in regards to this issue.
Well, I'm certainly not going back to the music I used listened too with lyrics like "God hates us all" "I keep the bible in a pool of blood so that none of its lies can effect me" and "Its better to reign in hell than to serve in heaven"
I don't mind some secular rock like Pearl Jam and the like but I always look for the lyrics and the overall feeling of the song. I band I used to love Dream Theatre from what I could tell had semi-neutral lyrics nothing blasphemous but I could feel sorrow and a heaviness in the music so I stopped listening. Now I found a band that have a very similar sound to them but their lyrics glorify Christ in the most beautiful way!
I don't mind some secular rock like Pearl Jam and the like but I always look for the lyrics and the overall feeling of the song. I band I used to love Dream Theatre from what I could tell had semi-neutral lyrics nothing blasphemous but I could feel sorrow and a heaviness in the music so I stopped listening. Now I found a band that have a very similar sound to them but their lyrics glorify Christ in the most beautiful way!
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I like to hear sorrowful songs sometimes, but not all the time. It can get to be too much. Is that what you mean?
Also @ sigh33n I'm on BandCamp now. Thank you SO MUCH for that suggestion. You're awesome! Maybe I can make some monies.
https://waxheart.bandcamp.com/
Also @ sigh33n I'm on BandCamp now. Thank you SO MUCH for that suggestion. You're awesome! Maybe I can make some monies.
https://waxheart.bandcamp.com/
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I was putting my music out there. I thought "people could listen to this and forget about problems" - that's what I do to it. But, you know, the Bible promotes humility and modesty, and I don't think producing music for the masses is humble or modest. People start jamming out when maybe they should be thinking about a task they have to complete tomorrow. Or someone, who is self-abusive, gets stuck on a sad song. I think what people really need are friends in situations like that, not music. Music influences people, it can even tell them what to think or make them feel a certain way, and I just don't think I should put mine out there anymore.
Paul wrote letters to the churches he fathered. He knew the congregations. He knew what was going on. He didn't reserve a hilltop on some countryside and play a rock ballad about Jesus. What if someone showed up that had been severely abused for a long period of time shortly before getting there. Could he explain with praises to God that God really did indeed love that person?
I don't think secular music is the worst thing in the world. It gives people something to do, for a lot of people it might be pretty benign. I don't know. But I don't want to be responsible for the effects of influencing so many in such a personal way without even being there in person. You know?
Paul wrote letters to the churches he fathered. He knew the congregations. He knew what was going on. He didn't reserve a hilltop on some countryside and play a rock ballad about Jesus. What if someone showed up that had been severely abused for a long period of time shortly before getting there. Could he explain with praises to God that God really did indeed love that person?
I don't think secular music is the worst thing in the world. It gives people something to do, for a lot of people it might be pretty benign. I don't know. But I don't want to be responsible for the effects of influencing so many in such a personal way without even being there in person. You know?
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That's right ducky, stay anonymous. Play shows and make your music available, but keep yourself someone's musical treasure (or a select few who are blessed to hear your music). Let your fans promote it with word of mouth and keep creating what God has placed in your heart. Obscurity is cool in the music world anyways! brb, gonna go listen to your BC, my hopes are high!!
brb, gonna go listen to your BC, my hopes are high!!