What makes it impossible for a carnal mind to be subject to the law?

[ivanc0]

The good news is that you do not have to worry about it. Act 15:5,10,20,
Acts 15:5

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”


Acts 15:10

New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?



Acts 15:19-20

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[SUP][a][/SUP] from things strangled, and from blood.


So Please obey the bible and do not trouble me (i am a gentile) with sabbath, tithing etc etc.....
I am amazed of how people can not Understand simple principles in the bible.

 

[Grandpa]

The thing that I find odd is that anyone who has been called, justified, reconciled and sealed with the Holy Spirit and then wants to do what Christ says, is branded a legalist who believes that the Law is salvation. In reality, I believe no such thing and have stated at least one hundred times that one hundred lifetimes of one hundred years each of perfect obedience to the Law cannot earn salvation, it is the gift of God.

You understand that Salvation is the gift of God.

Do you understand that obedience is also? I don't think very many people do. If they did they wouldn't point Christians to the law so much but back to Grace and Mercy.

The law isn't what fixes us. The law is what brings us to the Physician. The Physician is who does all the work in us.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

You understand that Salvation is the gift of God.

Do you understand that obedience is also? I don't think very many people do. If they did they wouldn't point Christians to the law so much but back to Grace and Mercy.

The law isn't what fixes us. The law is what brings us to the Physician. The Physician is who does all the work in us.

Aw yes. Back to Philippians.

"He who begun a good work in you will complete it..."

 

[Hoffco]

And back to God's eternal covenant of Grace: Romans 8:29-30 God loves (foreknows), predestines (elects), calls, (Born of God), justifies (forgives), and glorifies (Perfection, at death and resurrection). "If God be for us, who can be against us?" BUT, we must repent, trust and obey, both our work and God's work saves the soul.! Love to all, Hoffco

 

[SarahM777]

The reason that there is no law against the “fruit of the Spirit” is because it is the law and the prophets. These nine attributes are defined as a single fruit.

Where does that verse say that the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets?

Galatians 5

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

So again where does that passage say the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets? It plainly says AGAINST SUCH THINGS THERE IS NO LAW.

 

[just-me]

You understand that Salvation is the gift of God.

Do you understand that obedience is also? I don't think very many people do. If they did they wouldn't point Christians to the law so much but back to Grace and Mercy.

The law isn't what fixes us. The law is what brings us to the Physician. The Physician is who does all the work in us.

Hope is always future tense, and I agree with what you say. Allow me to say that Faith is the substance, and hope is the shadow of things to come. Therefore, "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith." Habakkuk 2:4

Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38-39, and continued in Hebrews 11:1-3
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good report.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Hebrews 7:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The rhetorical question is what is the substance, and what is the shadow, and where is the light? The shadow, has to have substance and light. Without it, there is no shadow.

When Hebrews 10:1 says "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." The shadow in present tense, as in Colossians 2:17 "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."


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[eternally-gratefull]

Where does that verse say that the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets?

Galatians 5

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

So again where does that passage say the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets? It plainly says AGAINST SUCH THINGS THERE IS NO LAW.

Yes!

That is again, because as I have been saying. The law can not teach us these things. That is not the reason the law was given, it was given to be a schoolmaster to lead us to Christ.

Galatians 3:23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.

 

[just-me]

The shadow is now. "are a shadow" "having a shadow" Present tense. Backwards is past tense. So what is the present tense shadow? If the shadow is gone, so is the substance and light. Or at least the light.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The shadow is now. "are a shadow" "having a shadow" Present tense. Backwards is past tense. So what is the present tense shadow? If the shadow is gone, so is the substance and light. Or at least the light.

The shadow is always alive. There are always people who need to be led by the schoolmaster to come to Christ in faith.

But once the person has come to faith to justification. The shadow is no longer needed, it has FULFILLED its job in that persons life

 

[Brother_Don]

When my mom told me to clean my room as a kid, i did what i was told. When i came to Christ Jesus at the age of 17, i was told to clean my house (body). Just like my mom wouldn't clean my room for me, but if i needed help she would help. Jesus didn't say for me to just sit and chill, that He would do it, but with His help, i was able to start, its been 33yrs and i'm still working on it. It's not perfect yet, but i keep pushing forward, If it wasn't for Jesus helping me, i don't think it would have come this far.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When my mom told me to clean my room as a kid, i did what i was told. When i came to Christ Jesus at the age of 17, i was told to clean my house (body). Just like my mom wouldn't clean my room for me, but if i needed help she would help. Jesus didn't say for me to just sit and chill, that He would do it, but with His help, i was able to start, its been 33yrs and i'm still working on it. It's not perfect yet, but i keep pushing forward, If it wasn't for Jesus helping me, i don't think it would have come this far.

yes but that was by the power of God correct? Not your own power? What happened when you tried to do things of your own power?

 

[just-me]

As the perfect creation of God moves on a continuing basis, there are shadows that are cast at the same rate of movement. Yet from the beginning, according to God's perfection, what He has established, or created never changes, even if rivers become larger, mountains get bigger, the weather changes, and islands appear and disappear. Substance, light, and shadow, will continue, as long as this earth continues to revolve around the greater light, and the moon reflect that light as the lesser light. So the evolution of scripture in the minds of man is no different than evolution theories that say..... BANG! And all of a sudden, there it is, and we are always evolving into something else.

 

[Grandpa]

Hope is always future tense, and I agree with what you say. Allow me to say that Faith is the substance, and hope is the shadow of things to come. Therefore, "Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith." Habakkuk 2:4

Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Hebrews 10:38-39, and continued in Hebrews 11:1-3
[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
[SUP]39 [/SUP]But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul.
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For by it the elders obtained a good report.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.

Hebrews 7:19 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP]For the law made nothing perfect, but the bringing in of a better hope did; by the which we draw nigh unto God.

The rhetorical question is what is the substance, and what is the shadow, and where is the light? The shadow, has to have substance and light. Without it, there is no shadow.

When Hebrews 10:1 says "For the law having a shadow of good things to come, and not the very image of the things, can never with those sacrifices which they offered year by year continually make the comers thereunto perfect." The shadow in present tense, as in Colossians 2:17 "Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ."


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That's telling you that the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit is not the law and the prophets but that the law and the Prophets is a shadow, or a description, of what the Lord Jesus Christ does for us when He gives us the Holy Spirit.

The Sabbath is a description of what the Lord Jesus Christ would do for us, spiritually.
The Passover is a description of what the Lord Jesus Christ would do for us, spiritually.
Etc...

So now we are either beholding the shadow or the light. We are either working in the shadow with our back to the Light or we are in the Light beholding the Light, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Light of the World.

Iniquity and condemnation is seen in the shadow. This shadow is designed to turn you around to the Light.

There is no iniquity or condemnation in the Light. There is only His Love, Grace, Mercy and Perfection in the Light.

Colossians 2:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

 

[john832]

That's telling you that the Spirit and the fruit of the Spirit is not the law and the prophets but that the law and the Prophets is a shadow, or a description, of what the Lord Jesus Christ does for us when He gives us the Holy Spirit.

The Sabbath is a description of what the Lord Jesus Christ would do for us, spiritually.

No, it is a shadow of the coming Millenium, the Kingdom of God.

The Passover is a description of what the Lord Jesus Christ would do for us, spiritually.
Etc...

So, since it is, do you keep it? Or do you weep for Tammuz?

So now we are either beholding the shadow or the light. We are either working in the shadow with our back to the Light or we are in the Light beholding the Light, the Lord Jesus Christ, the Light of the World.

Iniquity and condemnation is seen in the shadow. This shadow is designed to turn you around to the Light.

There is no iniquity or condemnation in the Light. There is only His Love, Grace, Mercy and Perfection in the Light.

Colossians 2:2-3
[SUP]2 [/SUP]That their hearts might be comforted, being knit together in love, and unto all riches of the full assurance of understanding, to the acknowledgement of the mystery of God, and of the Father, and of Christ;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]In whom are hid all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge.

 

[Grandpa]

No, it is a shadow of the coming Millenium, the Kingdom of God.

Just like Judaism who has rejected Christ and are awaiting their messiah.

I tell you from experience that it is a description of what The Lord Jesus Christ does for believers when He gives them the Holy Spirit. Right here, Right now.

So, since it is, do you keep it? Or do you weep for Tammuz?

Keep the celebration of Passover? What purpose would that serve a gentile saved by the Lord Jesus Christ? I understand the celebration of Passover and I celebrate the Spirit of Passover all the time, not just one particular day according to the letter...

I weep for lawyers who don't understand the Gift that the Lord Jesus Christ gives us.

 

[chubbena]

The good news is that you do not have to worry about it. Act 15:5,10,20,
Acts 15:5

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]But some of the sect of the Pharisees who believed rose up, saying, “It is necessary to circumcise them, and to command them to keep the law of Moses.”


Acts 15:10

New King James Version (NKJV)


[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore, why do you test God by putting a yoke on the neck of the disciples which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?



Acts 15:19-20

New King James Version (NKJV)

[SUP]19 [/SUP]Therefore I judge that we should not trouble those from among the Gentiles who are turning to God, [SUP]20 [/SUP]but that we write to them to abstain from things polluted by idols, from sexual immorality,[SUP][a][/SUP] from things strangled, and from blood.


So Please obey the bible and do not trouble me (i am a gentile) with sabbath, tithing etc etc.....
I am amazed of how people can not Understand simple principles in the bible.

The bad news is, you have probably missed Acts 15:21.

 

[chubbena]

The shadow is always alive. There are always people who need to be led by the schoolmaster to come to Christ in faith.

But once the person has come to faith to justification. The shadow is no longer needed, it has FULFILLED its job in that persons life

Anytime a person is not perfect the schoolmaster is there to witness to drive him to find refuge in Christ and be cleansed and be justified by His blood.
Take away the witness there's no need for the refuge because the offended would just walk from crimes he committed.
Justification is not perfection.
Only when one comes to perfection.

 

[just-me]

Originally Posted by just-me

The reason that there is no law against the “fruit of the Spirit” is because it is the law and the prophets. These nine attributes are defined as a single fruit.

Where does that verse say that the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets?

Galatians 5

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

So again where does that passage say the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets? It plainly says AGAINST SUCH THINGS THERE IS NO LAW.

Another way to say it is the fruit of the Spirit agrees with the law, or the law agrees with the fruit of the Spirit. After all God gave both, right? And He is a Spirit. Mark 3:25 "And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand."

Was this fruit something endorsed in the Epistles only, or was it God’s will from the beginning? Here’s your answer.


Exodus 20:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.


Leviticus 19:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Thou shalt not avenge, nor bear any grudge against the children of thy people, but thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself: I am the LORD.

Deuteronomy 5:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me and keep my commandments.

1 Kings 1:40 (KJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP]And all the people came up after him, and the people piped with pipes, and rejoiced with great joy, so that the earth rent with the sound of them.

Isaiah 12:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore with joy shall ye draw water out of the wells of salvation.

Exodus 18:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]If thou shalt do this thing, and God command thee so, then thou shalt be able to endure, and all this people shall also go to their place in peace.

Leviticus 3:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And if his offering for a sacrifice of peace offering unto the LORD be of the flock; male or female, he shall offer it without blemish.

Exodus 34:6 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the LORD passed by before him, and proclaimed, The LORD, The LORD God, merciful and gracious, longsuffering, and abundant in goodness and truth,

2 Samuel 22:36 (KJV)
[SUP]36 [/SUP]Thou hast also given me the shield of thy salvation: and thy gentleness hath made me great.

Faith is/was ordained as an Old Testament principle to be kept as a priority in the New Testament.

Habakkuk 2:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.

Romans 1:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

Psalm 45:4 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]And in thy majesty ride prosperously because of truth and meekness and righteousness; and thy right hand shall teach thee terrible things.

Temperance is self-control as in “not to covet,” or “being drunk” “gluttonous” and so on. It is exhortation of the fruit of the spirit that I endorsed in the only negative, for covet is an attribute of the carnal, and the opposite is the attribute of the Lord’s Holy Spirit.

Exodus 20:17 (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

Deuteronomy 21:20-21 (KJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.
[SUP]21 [/SUP]And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

We would never dream of stoning our own children for being drunk, or rebellious today, but we must still recognize this spiritual aspect. Any loving parent would desire to destroy those actions before they destroy their children. That’s what Jesus has done. God’s love wants us to be separated from those transgressions that separate us from Him. Parents that truly love their children will have the same desire.

Isaiah 32:15-17 (KJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]Until the spirit be poured upon us from on high, and the wilderness be a fruitful field, and the fruitful field be counted for a forest.
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Then judgment shall dwell in the wilderness, and righteousness remain in the fruitful field.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the work of righteousness shall be peace; and the effect of righteousness quietness and assurance for ever.

Exodus, Leviticus, and Deuteronomy are law books. The rest are prophets.

 

[chubbena]

Where does that verse say that the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets?

Galatians 5

22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace,forbearance, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law.

So again where does that passage say the fruits of the Spirit are the law and the prophets? It plainly says AGAINST SUCH THINGS THERE IS NO LAW.

Because there's no law against the outcome of understanding the law through the Holy Spirit which outcomes the fruit.

 

[homwardbound]

Okay, let's take a good look at the progression of events, and see if they are right. Israel cries out to God for deliverance. God hears their cry and sends Moses as an ambassador of God to answer their cry, and deliver them from a sinful environment. Passover begins the process of events that lead to mount Sinai because God wants to instruct His children in righteousness, and to show them about Himself as the God that they have chosen to follow, and serve.

Do I have it right at this point?

Then He instructs them to build a temple for blood letting, and sacrifice for sins, along with other ordinances of temple worship. After all is completed through Jesus Christ, God hears the cry of those wanting to escape their captivity, and reverses the process of events by taking away the temple.

So far so good, or am I a little off at this point? Maybe He let the old temple be destroyed so He could build another one with different ordinances that had nothing to do with the first temple because the old didn't work right according to what He planned in the beginning.

Now after taking away the temple He sends His Spirit to instruct us according to His character and righteousness after we call out for salvation. In order to do that he must also get rid of written instruction that He gave to Israel. Henceforth, He began with a plan that could be shifted into reverse in case the first one didn't work out right.

True or false?

The plan is by Faith just as what has been shown by Abraham and Noah. God does not lie and saved the descendants of Abraham as God promised to Abraham. Look at the day of Joseph and when all the land went into no food for seven years God used all the evil top stay with his promise to Abraham, nothing has changed we are in the same covenant as to Abraham was given in the order of Melchisadek
Hope you got it