How Old Is The Earth?

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Heh pictures prove nothing if they can be faked and NASA has a proven long history of faking pictures. What other ways can you prove to me Earth is sphere?

For me the most questionable thing about Sphere Earth is: Why is 1/4th of Antarctica unclaimed? Why the UN flag display a Flat Earth with no Antarctica? Why does the Compass only point to the North Pole but not the South Pole? Is it possible no man has ever actually been to the South Pole?
You are sadly uniformed my friend. You need to visit reputable sources.

For one, your point about the compass only pointing north highlights your very limited understanding of science. I'd like to answer your questions for you, but I am out of time this evening. I should have called it a night 40 minutes ago. :)
 
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They conceal information like that in books.
Heh that is a good quip.

However, the questions still stand. As far as I am aware if I try to defend Sphere Earth I can only answer one of those questions. An ex-marine friend of mine showed me some pretty funky evidence to support his Sphere Earth Theory. What he showed me was that the first person with the most credibility to have claimed to have gotten to the South Pole (and also the North Pole) is Admiral Richard Byrd.

Only problem with this is if we believe Byrd then we would be forced to believe he got sucked down into a Hollow Earth with some curious beings found therein by his own testimony. And this I personally find hard to believe.
 
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Well, science and theology/worldview are two different things. Maybe a worldview is implied in certain school texts, but I took a secular, basic level science class last semester, and I certainly didn't feel that my values and perspective on life was influenced in the least. My theology didn't change, I didn't start questioning the redemptive work of Christ (as some YECers warn will most likely happen), or none of that silly stuff. I know how to separate things of faith and the natural world.

Stomping feet in protest to evolution being taught doesn't make it NOT true. What disproves the theory is evidence. Bill Nye said himself at his debate with Ken Ham "You have evidence against evolution? Bring it on! You would change the world! I would gladly reject evolution in the light of evidence." (paraphrase) Also, in my science class, it was taught that evidence would disprove the theory. There are several ways to disprove it - if Christians really wanted to do that, they would be digging away relentlessly at the fossil record, rather than arguing about "two kinds of science."

In my class, it was not taught as a dogmatic, philosophical worldview, but a theory that has been formulated due to certain evidences in the fossil record and other places, and just because it is a viewpoint about the past, doesn't make it invalid, anymore than a creationist perspective is automatically invalid because it is in the past. We have developed many theories and conclusions about the way civilization in the past worked - with archeology. But I don't see Christians jumping to say that the Egyptians didn't worship multiple gods because the statues were examined under a bias. And the same could be applied to things we've learned about other cultures not mentioned in Scripture. The evidence is there, and we examine it.

The issue at hand is that we haven't been around long enough and been aware of this idea long enough to see such progression that the theory suggests... but we see it in the fossil record. And that is tangible evidence in which we can make a prediction that will take a while to test in its entirety, not merely a preconceived notion based on a bias. That's what science is - making a prediction, testing it many many times, recording the results, and examining the data.

This is not to say there isn't evidence for YEC. However, I personally feel the arguments are lacking, in light of what I have learned. This is not an invitation to discuss anything in particular, I am just stating.
You only have to examine credible creation websites like Creation Ministries International and Answers in Genesis to see that there's plenty of evidence for creation, it just depends on your worldview. If you are a theistic evolutionist, you'll see the evidence in that light. If you believe in the authority of God's World, that's it's God-breathed and therefore infallible, then you'll see the evidence in a different light again.

I'm disgusted that so many Christians have so little regard for God's Word. It really weakens the foundations of one's faith and their witness to others. It's become so bad that some go so far as to say the whole of Genesis isn't true, and they even call into question Moses etc. This is madness! Where does the buck stop? You either accept all of the Bible as true, respective to the genres contained therein (Genesis as history etc.) or you believe whatever suits your own ideas.
 

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Heh that is a good quip.

However, the questions still stand. As far as I am aware if I try to defend Sphere Earth I can only answer one of those questions. An ex-marine friend of mine showed me some pretty funky evidence to support his Sphere Earth Theory. What he showed me was that the first person with the most credibility to have claimed to have gotten to the South Pole (and also the North Pole) is Admiral Richard Byrd.

Only problem with this is if we believe Byrd then we would be forced to believe he got sucked down into a Hollow Earth with some curious beings found therein by his own testimony. And this I personally find hard to believe.
Are you suggesting there is no South Pole?
 
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Evolutionists and theistic evolutionists can stamp their feet all they want, it doesn't make something true. They take their beliefs on faith too.
Tintin, I believe the evidence for evolution is absolutely solid. I have a great deal of respect for you my friend, but in this I believe you are not well informed. It is not on faith that evolution rests, but on solid evidence. I’ve seen it.
 
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You are sadly uniformed my friend. You need to visit reputable sources.

For one, your point about the compass only pointing north highlights your very limited understanding of science. I'd like to answer your questions for you, but I am out of time this evening. I should have called it a night 40 minutes ago. :)
Uninformed, I merely asked question no one seems to be able to answer.

The pointing to the North is a good one. It is claimed the compass points North due to the magnetic sphere.

Problem: If the Earth is a Sphere and the Magnetic Sphere converges at both the North and South Pole. Why does the compass point North only? Furthermore, would it not be more logical in Sphere Earth Theory that Antarctica being believed to be an ice-covered land mass would be more likely to contain the metals attracting the magnet than the Arctic which is merely an ice covered ocean?
 
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You only have to examine credible creation websites like Creation Ministries International and Answers in Genesis to see that there's plenty of evidence for creation, it just depends on your worldview.
My last post for the evening. I've been to some of those sites. They leave out the best evidence for evolution.
 

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Uninformed, I merely asked question no one seems to be able to answer.

The pointing to the North is a good one. It is claimed the compass points North due to the magnetic sphere.

Problem: If the Earth is a Sphere and the Magnetic Sphere converges at both the North and South Pole. Why does the compass point North only? Furthermore, would it not be more logical in Sphere Earth Theory that Antarctica being believed to be an ice-covered land mass would be more likely to contain the metals attracting the magnet than the Arctic which is merely an ice covered ocean?
Because the direction of magnetic lines of force only run from north polarity to south.
 
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My last post for the evening. I've been to some of those sites. They leave out the best evidence for evolution.
They leave out the best evidence for evolution? Which is? CMI and AiG don't include everything on their websites. They have many books and DVDs etc. available. I'm about to read "Refuting Compromise". It's aimed more at refuting theistic evolutionist arguments though.
 
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Honestly, this comment left me speechless:

Aye this is the common proof given for spherical earth. But I could easily prove that is an optical illusion as all one needs is a telescope and they will be able to view the ship continuing across the flat surface of the water that only appeared to sink below the horizon with the naked eye.
Who told you this?
 
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Honestly, this comment left me speechless:



Who told you this?
Ever been boating on a large body of water? Take some binoculars or a telescope with ya lol. Just kinda common sense ain't it?

I'll bet your teachers are really proud of you.


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Because the direction of magnetic lines of force only run from north polarity to south.
Interesting. So no matter where you are on the planet in both theories we can deduce that compass always ponts North.
Would it be fair to say under Globe Earth Theory the compass always points magnetically North despite the South Pole supposedly having a large landmass underneath it because the greater amount of the metal under Antarctica repels the compass magnet?

Likewise is it possible in a Disc Earth Theory that if there was only a North Pole the compass would logically point North due to magnetic attraction to the North always as it is the theoretical center of the Earth where the magnetosphere converges?

Lol not too sure on the Teacher Pride, though you humor me greatly lol. Haven't seen any of them for about 2 years. Lol the two I knew outside of school were both psychology/sociology and government/law teachers. Lol they have some more whack theories than I do I assure you, but are good people for conversation no doubt. Fun stuff though and good people for intellectual or political debate. If you'd like I could scrounge around for my old Psych teacher's website and PM it to you. If the site is unchanged he is very big on perception experiments, JFK conspiracy, Beatlemania, Jungian archetypes, etc.
 
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Well, they are wrong on almost everything else. They may as well be wrong about that too.
So you're saying that being wrong on one particular argument renders ANY argument made by the party invalid and not worth looking into. Just for a comparison, a math teacher could state "1 + 1 = 2" and then state the next day "2 + 2 = 6." Whether the latter is by mistake or intentionally misleading, the point is every argument should be examined on it's own merit, and not discounted solely because of the person making the argument.
 
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Uninformed, I merely asked question no one seems to be able to answer.

The pointing to the North is a good one. It is claimed the compass points North due to the magnetic sphere.

Problem: If the Earth is a Sphere and the Magnetic Sphere converges at both the North and South Pole. Why does the compass point North only?
The reason compasses only point north is because that's how they're designed. If you reverse the needle, it will point south.

Furthermore, would it not be more logical in Sphere Earth Theory that Antarctica being believed to be an ice-covered land mass would be more likely to contain the metals attracting the magnet than the Arctic which is merely an ice covered ocean?
The Earth's magnetic field isn't caused by a giant magnet sitting on top of the planet. It's caused by, very loosely speaking, the rotation of the Earth and the magnetic core.

Dynamo theory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Ever been boating on a large body of water? Take some binoculars or a telescope with ya lol. Just kinda common sense ain't it?
If it was common sense, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Interesting. So no matter where you are on the planet in both theories we can deduce that compass always ponts North.
Would it be fair to say under Globe Earth Theory the compass always points magnetically North despite the South Pole supposedly having a large landmass underneath it because the greater amount of the metal under Antarctica repels the compass magnet?
It's not landmass that's affecting compasses.
 
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oldhermit

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Ever been boating on a large body of water? Take some binoculars or a telescope with ya lol. Just kinda common sense ain't it?
Interesting. So no matter where you are on the planet in both theories we can deduce that compass always poitnsNorth. Would it be fair to say under Globe Earth Theory the compass always points magnetically North despite the South Pole supposed having a large landmass underneath it because the greater amount of the metal under Antarctica repels the compass magnet? Likewise is it possible in a Disc Earth Theory that if there was only a North Pole the compass would logically point due to magnetic attraction to the North always as it is the theoretical center of the Earth where the magnetosphere converges?
Since the direction of magnetic lines of force only run from north to south it does not matter where you are on the globe the compass will always point north unless there is magnetic interference from some other source. This could certainly be a possibility anywhere where there are large deposits of iron ore.

Lol not too sure on the Teacher Pride, though you humor me greatly lol. Haven't seen any of them for about 2 years. Lol the two I knew outside of school were both psychology/sociology and government/law teachers. Lol they have some more whack theories than I do I assure you, but are good people for conversation no doubt. Fun stuff though and good people for intellectual or political debate. If you'd like I could scrounge around for my old Psych teacher's website and PM it to you. If the site is unchanged he is very big on perception experiments, JFK conspiracy, Beatlemania, Jungian archetypes, etc.
I have worked with a lot of college students over the years and I have seen a few who are forever asking questions but never seem to learn anything. I hope you are not one of these