Salvation Not Possible Without Works
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Born again...
John 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Where is scripture that you say works of satan? You have given your opinion but have not given scripture...
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
John 3:3 (KJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
John 3:7 (KJV)
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
Where is scripture that you say works of satan? You have given your opinion but have not given scripture...
1 Peter 1:23 (KJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP]Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.
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If i may add, it goes deeper than this.
Baptizo is a derivative of the word bapto. meaning to dip. where baptizo is a complete immersion, or placing into.
Baptizo is a perfect word. Because it shows that when we were baptized (placed into or immersed completely) in Christ, it is a full immersion. it was not a partial work, but it was a completed work. done By God himself
Baptizo is a derivative of the word bapto. meaning to dip. where baptizo is a complete immersion, or placing into.
Baptizo is a perfect word. Because it shows that when we were baptized (placed into or immersed completely) in Christ, it is a full immersion. it was not a partial work, but it was a completed work. done By God himself
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I do not think you understood the question.
How can people do the work of God if they have not been born again of God.
They can't?
Satan can cause people to speak in tongues (he knows many languages), and he can do many things. Just because you see this does not mean it is from God or a person has been born again
How can people do the work of God if they have not been born again of God.
They can't?
Satan can cause people to speak in tongues (he knows many languages), and he can do many things. Just because you see this does not mean it is from God or a person has been born again
John 3:5 (NKJV)
Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Jesus said its water, now don't give me the ignorant born of water is natural birth garbage that would put every living person half way to salvation the moment they are born.
Jesus answered, "Most assuredly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
Jesus said its water, now don't give me the ignorant born of water is natural birth garbage that would put every living person half way to salvation the moment they are born.
It could also be seen as going 'fully under' a change of mind. In my personal reflections, I observed the mind of men and asked why were we given it if not to use it?
I have no issue with God giving us the means to change our minds and ourselves being pursuant to that change. I'm paraphrasing but 'Renew your minds into oneness with christ'.
I have no issue with God giving us the means to change our minds and ourselves being pursuant to that change. I'm paraphrasing but 'Renew your minds into oneness with christ'.
Right, that much is obvious. People can't do the work of self sacrifice unless they first have the thoughts to do the work of self sacrifice, because thought precedes all action.
If I see someone compassionately feeding a hungry child, I know they have the thoughts to do Godly work, because there they are doing it. It is evident in their fruits that they understand God's wishes for man - kindness and compassion - love thy neighbour.
I agree.
the only issue is if it is done for personal reward. 'For they have their reward already, then'.
If it's for self-relinquishing motives, that essentially IS a showing of God's spirit.
If I see someone compassionately feeding a hungry child, I know they have the thoughts to do Godly work, because there they are doing it. It is evident in their fruits that they understand God's wishes for man - kindness and compassion - love thy neighbour.
I agree.
the only issue is if it is done for personal reward. 'For they have their reward already, then'.
If it's for self-relinquishing motives, that essentially IS a showing of God's spirit.
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Explain then how does being born of water fit in with baptism? If you are listening to yourself you are saying you must be born again thrice. I do not see anywhere where Jesus says you must be born again two more times; He simply says you must be born again, indicating a regeneration of the Spirit only.
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you need to read your Bible!
John 3:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
There is one birth; there are two elements, "water," and "the Spirit." Both are essential to the new birth; and the new birth is essential to entering the kingdom. What, then, is meant by being born of water and the Spirit?
To enter the kingdom is to be saved. (Col. 1:13, 14.) To be saved one must believe, repent, confess and be baptized for (unto) the remission of sins. (Heb. 11:6; Luke 13:3; Rom. 10:10; Acts 2:38.) To enter the kingdom one must be born of water and the Spirit. Since things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, it follows that to be born of water and the Spirit is to believe the gospel, repent of one's sins, confess one's faith in Christ and be baptized for the remission sins. John 3:5 figuratively states what is literally affirmed in Acts 2:38.
To be born "anew" is simply to obey the gospel. It is not surprising that those who deny to baptism its proper place among the conditions of pardon would interpret "water" in John 3:5 to mean something other than baptism; in so doing, they are in conflict with the scholarship of the world, both ancient and modern. Henry Alford, one of the translators of the American Standard Version, wrote that "all attempts to get rid" of baptism in this passage, "have sprung from doctrinal prejudices by which the views of expositors have been warped," and Hooker, himself a writer of more than a hundred years ago, said that "of all ancient writers there is not one to be named who ever expounded this text otherwise than as implying external baptism." One is begotten of the Spirit by believing the Word which the Spirit gave, and born of water by coming forth from the waters of baptism.
John 3:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
There is one birth; there are two elements, "water," and "the Spirit." Both are essential to the new birth; and the new birth is essential to entering the kingdom. What, then, is meant by being born of water and the Spirit?
To enter the kingdom is to be saved. (Col. 1:13, 14.) To be saved one must believe, repent, confess and be baptized for (unto) the remission of sins. (Heb. 11:6; Luke 13:3; Rom. 10:10; Acts 2:38.) To enter the kingdom one must be born of water and the Spirit. Since things equal to the same thing are equal to each other, it follows that to be born of water and the Spirit is to believe the gospel, repent of one's sins, confess one's faith in Christ and be baptized for the remission sins. John 3:5 figuratively states what is literally affirmed in Acts 2:38.
To be born "anew" is simply to obey the gospel. It is not surprising that those who deny to baptism its proper place among the conditions of pardon would interpret "water" in John 3:5 to mean something other than baptism; in so doing, they are in conflict with the scholarship of the world, both ancient and modern. Henry Alford, one of the translators of the American Standard Version, wrote that "all attempts to get rid" of baptism in this passage, "have sprung from doctrinal prejudices by which the views of expositors have been warped," and Hooker, himself a writer of more than a hundred years ago, said that "of all ancient writers there is not one to be named who ever expounded this text otherwise than as implying external baptism." One is begotten of the Spirit by believing the Word which the Spirit gave, and born of water by coming forth from the waters of baptism.
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No you need to read context. and smartly
John 3:4-6 (KJV)
[SUP]4 [/SUP]Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb (flesh/water), and be born?
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
And you forgot a verse
That which is born of flesh (water) is flesh. That which is born of Spirit (spirit) is spirit.
You can;t be born again if you are not born the first time.