Talking against the law is dangerous

[ivanc0]

These are the scriptures that you sent me. I have read the complete book of Acts more than once, and as far as everything I have read in the Bible I agree with. It's your comments that I disagree with, not the scriptures you endorsed.

---SO could you please Explain Acts 15:10, so I could have a real understanding?....... Please!

 

[tooldtocare]

I am just checking my connection

 

[just-me]

---SO could you please Explain Acts 15:10, so I could have a real understanding?....... Please!

I addressed that on post # 161 to you a day ago. Please re-read it

Is the will of God a burdensome yoke to those who are truly searching for the truth? answer....Man's law is, but God's law ain't.
Acts 15:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

 

[ivanc0]

Oh yeah, I just noticed your thread about "The scariest conspiracy ever"...tithing...lol

Tithing is voluntary, I don't even go there, it is between every man and God what is done with money or goods.

I'm so thankful today....for the ignore button.

Absolutely every thing is voluntary, except for breathing! also some people looks for ways not to.
But If you say tithing is taught a a voluntary law you not telling the truth........ Curse you are.....will man steal from God.... This is compulsion and even worst when using the old testament. a law fulfilled by Christ in the cross. to fill pastor pockets.

You could Ignore me if you want. Just a little question, are you in conflict of interest and putting some tithing money in you pocket? could you disclose your interest in tithing?

 

[Karraster]

As always, read the whole counsel of the Word. Here is but a snippet, but just to show, Messiah is written about all throughout the Word of God, not in the Gospels only.
[h=3]Isaiah 11[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

11 And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse,
and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]and the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him,
the spirit of wisdom and understanding,
the spirit of counsel and might,
the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;
[SUP]3 [/SUP]and shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord:
and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes,
neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:
[SUP]4 [/SUP]but with righteousness shall he judge the poor,
and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth:
and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth,
and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins,
and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

Messiah came to do the will of the Father, with a spirit of knowledge and fear of the LORD.

 

[Karraster]

I am just checking my connection

be patient and keep trying...lol

 

[just-me]

---SO could you please Explain Acts 15:10, so I could have a real understanding?....... Please!

Continuing to answer your question
Let's read what comes before that verse.
Acts 15:6-9 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And the apostles and elders came together for to consider of this matter.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Introducing the law of God in a carnal way, whether Jew or Gentile is tempting God. Obviously then, the One that gave the law isn't pleased with those who invoke the law with a carnal mind. That's why the Bible says the the carnal mind is not subject to the law, and can't because it just don't know how. Continuing....to Acts 15:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

Luke 4:9-13 (KJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he brought him to Jerusalem, and set him on a pinnacle of the temple, and said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down from hence:
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For it is written, He shall give his angels charge over thee, to keep thee:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And in their hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy foot against a stone.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]And Jesus answering said unto him, It is said, Thou shalt not tempt the Lord thy God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And when the devil had ended all the temptation, he departed from him for a season.

Tempting God is wrong. The law of God says so.

Deuteronomy 6:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Ye shall not tempt the LORD your God, as ye tempted him in Massah.

To the carnal mind, this would seem like an oxymoron. But it isn't

 

[danschance]

There is not a change to the Mosaic Law. It was written in stone. What is changed is our New High Priest and the New Law that He places us under.

Romans 8:1-2
[SUP]1[/SUP]There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. [SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

That is the difference between the Levitical Priesthood and the Priesthood according to the order of Melchizedek, The Lord Jesus.

So in effect, as you say, the law has changed... for us who have a new High Priest. Its a whole separate thing.

I think we are probably saying the same things. Just with a little different understanding?

Well then there is nothing I can say to you as your mind is as closed as a clam that just plopped into boiling water. I posted the scripture which states in black and white that the law has changed because there was a change in the priesthood. This is not my opinion but scriptural fact.

11Now if perfection was through the Levitical priesthood (for on the basis of it the people received the Law), what further need was there for another priest to arise according to the order of Melchizedek, and not be designated according to the order of Aaron? 12For when the priesthood is changed, of necessity there takes place a change of law also. 13For the one concerning whom these things are spoken belongs to another tribe, from which no one has officiated at the altar. Hebrews 7

If the law is carved in stone and can not change then why does the bible call the things of the law a shadow of what is to come.

16Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day.17These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. Col 2:16-17

God does not change but the law has already changed when the curtain in the temple was ripped in two. YSome people have no desire to be confused by facts when they know they are right. Correct a wise man and he will thank you. Correct a fool and reap his folly.

 

[ivanc0]

I addressed that on post # 161 to you a day ago. Please re-read it

Is the will of God a burdensome yoke to those who are truly searching for the truth? answer....Man's law is, but God's law ain't.
Acts 15:10 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?

This is what you said in post 161:
"It's all a matter of how God sees it. If we see it different, that yoke is seen as burdensome and is not the yoke Jesus asks us to take onto ourselves. The Yoke of Jesus comes from His Father in heaven who doesn't change."

Where is the Historical reference in which this things are said? You have explained nothing! only work around the issue!

Here is the explanation: (read acts 15, and 21... Please)

Paul went to convert "NO JEWS", and some converted to Christianity Jews went to this people, trying to teach the Law of Moses, and as 1st steep to obey this law they have to circumcise. They have a big argument, (like you and me) and as they could not agree, the decided to go to ask the apostles, In that Frame Peter Stood UP and said those words.
The resolution was not to load the Non Jews with the Jew law!.

Have you explaained like that????????

 

[just-me]

Absolutely every thing is voluntary, except for breathing! also some people looks for ways not to.
But If you say tithing is taught a a voluntary law you not telling the truth........ Curse you are.....will man steal from God.... This is compulsion and even worst when using the old testament. a law fulfilled by Christ in the cross. to fill pastor pockets.

You could Ignore me if you want. Just a little question, are you in conflict of interest and putting some tithing money in you pocket? could you disclose your interest in tithing?

I just thought I interject as long as the public can see this. Biblical tithing has little to do with money. Money in that respect was used in lieu of a situation due to length of travel or a crisis that arose. Otherwise is was all produce and cattle.

 

[just-me]

This is what you said in post 161:
"It's all a matter of how God sees it. If we see it different, that yoke is seen as burdensome and is not the yoke Jesus asks us to take onto ourselves. The Yoke of Jesus comes from His Father in heaven who doesn't change."

Where is the Historical reference in which this things are said? You have explained nothing! only work around the issue!

I'm not much of a historian, sorry. See post 227

Here is the explanation: (read acts 15, and 21... Please)

Paul went to convert "NO JEWS", and some converted to Christianity Jews went to this people, trying to teach the Law of Moses, and as 1st steep to obey this lay they have to circumcise. They have a big argument, (like you and me) and as they could not agree, the decided to go to ask the apostles, In that Frame Peter Stood UP and said those words.
The resolution was not to load the Non Jews with the Jew law!.

As I have said many times before, the law says any one with a heart can be circumcised. I take that to mean women also. LOL
Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Colossians 2:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

See? The real law is not burdensome. Only the quasi laws. It's in the law.
Deuteronomy 30:11-14 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.


I agree with your quote. "The resolution was not to load the Non Jews with the Jew law!"
The reason I believe that is because it wasn't God's will, and He is the one that gave the law. What they were doing is using God' law incorrectly. Through Christ, the law to the believer is not carnal. But if we are against it because all we see in the law as carnality, what does that say about us?

 

[ivanc0]

I'm not much of a historian, sorry. See post 227



As I have said many times before, the law says any one with a heart can be circumcised. I take that to mean women also. LOL
Deuteronomy 10:16 (KJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Circumcise therefore the foreskin of your heart, and be no more stiffnecked.
Colossians 2:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

See? The real law is not burdensome. Only the quasi laws. It's in the law.
Deuteronomy 30:11-14 (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden from thee, neither is it far off.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it?
[SUP]14 [/SUP]But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.


I agree with your quote. "The resolution was not to load the Non Jews with the Jew law!"
The reason I believe that is because it wasn't God's will, and He is the one that gave the law. What they were doing is using God' law incorrectly. Through Christ, the law to the believer is not carnal. But if we are against it because all we see in the law as carnality, what does that say about us?

Is not an issue of carnality, Is an issue of reality, The Gentiles were ordered not to follow the law of Moses. full stop, People are looking for ways to go around it. specially the ones interested in the 10% of your salary.

This Gentiles Paul taught have no old testament, have no google, so they have to follow what Paul has told them! Immerse yourself in Pauls world.
and in the Gentiles (non Jews) he is teaching. Why do you think Paul talks about the Grace??????, because..... the "law" the moses law is gone.

I know is difficult to accept if you have been taught otherwise, the same happened to the judaizers.

 

[Zinzerio]

See? The real law is not burdensome. Only the quasi laws. It's in the law.

Just me ; what do you mean by this Only the quasi laws lol

 

[Zinzerio]

Wow, the phrase above "for those of us who fully understand" and "The poor souls who have not understood.." is making my christian cult alarm go off. All the Christian cults believe they know something that others don't. The LDS know they have a special mandate from God to teach us things like we can be a god and a whole slew of other false teachings. The JW's have discovered that Jesus is an angel, hell does not exist and those who believe the teachings of the watchtower will pick fruit off of trees on paradise earth forever. And so on and so forth it is with all Christian cults and they also instill a sense of pride that they are doing what others do not grasp.

Every man is right in his own estimation. Every person who has any sort of spiritual belief absolutly things it is true. That is why Jesus warned us with this:



Everyone snared in false belief thinks they are filled with light but Jesus states, make sure the light with in you is not actually darkness. So remember when you puff up with pride that you understand what others don't, that you are in the same company as the Christian cults.

personally i think you suffer with the law of condemnation which i feel you are quite clearly showing this never the less i will pray for you to wake up your so of the mark its unreal , seriously dude arguing that you claim you have the right answers and then passing judgment because of doctrines from the lds onto the others is only a slight proportion of the actual truth.

dont you see it man the law isn't about different denoms its about the individual

 

[just-me]

Is not an issue of carnality, Is an issue of reality, The Gentiles were ordered not to follow the law of Moses. full stop, People are looking for ways to go around it. specially the ones interested in the 10% of your salary.

Didn't you mean "Is not an issue of carnality an issue of reality?" The answer is yes, and that reality is not of the Spirit.

This Gentiles Paul taught have no old testament, have no google, so they have to follow what Paul has told them! Immerse yourself in Pauls world.
and in the Gentiles (non Jews) he is teaching. Why do you think Paul talks about the Grace??????, because..... the "law" the moses law is gone.

I beg to differ. Are Greeks Gentiles? The answer is yes. You asked me to read Acts completely through, and so I will give to you a little of what I found in the book of Acts.
Acts 17:10-12 (KJV)
[SUP]10 [/SUP]And the brethren immediately sent away Paul and Silas by night unto Berea: who coming thither went into the synagogue of the Jews.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]These were more noble than those in Thessalonica, in that they received the word with all readiness of mind, and searched the scriptures daily, whether those things were so.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore many of them believed; also of honourable women which were Greeks, and of men, not a few.

So you see here that the Greek men and women searched the scriptures, and all they had was the law and the prophets. What they didn't have was what we know as the New Testament today. It couldn't have been written at the same time this instance was happening.

I know is difficult to accept if you have been taught otherwise, the same happened to the judaizers.

Yes, you are being difficult. LOL

 

[just-me]

Just me ; what do you mean by this Only the quasi laws lol

They appear like the real thing but are distorted. It's what Satan does with God's word in order to deceive the elect. Half truth is no truth.
quasi means an imitation of the real thing.

 

[Grandpa]

Well then there is nothing I can say to you as your mind is as closed as a clam that just plopped into boiling water. I posted the scripture which states in black and white that the law has changed because there was a change in the priesthood. This is not my opinion but scriptural fact.



If the law is carved in stone and can not change then why does the bible call the things of the law a shadow of what is to come.


God does not change but the law has already changed when the curtain in the temple was ripped in two. YSome people have no desire to be confused by facts when they know they are right. Correct a wise man and he will thank you. Correct a fool and reap his folly.

You didn't understand Romans 8:1-2 as it pertains to Hebrews 7.

The levitical law along with the law written on stones was a shadow of what was to come. What was fulfilled in Christ.

The law is changed when we come to Christ. When we understand and accept Him as our High Priest. That is how we are no longer under the old schoolmaster.

Otherwise your signature doesn't make a bit of sense. What law were you released from and what did you die to that held you captive? Romans 8:1-2 explains what law you are dead to and what law you are now alive to, the one that changed due to your High Priest changing.

We are saying the same things just in a different fashion. Romans 8:1-2 spells out what was changed and what the new law is that we follow.

When we come to Christ we follow the law of the spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. We are released from and dead to the Mosaic Law, the old way of the written code. Which expounds on your signature and explains Hebrews 7:12 as well as 2 Corinthians 3:14-17

You are essentially correct. The law for me has changed because my High Priest has changed.

 

[ivanc0]

personally i think you suffer with the law of condemnation which i feel you are quite clearly showing this never the less i will pray for you to wake up your so of the mark its unreal , seriously dude arguing that you claim you have the right answers and then passing judgment because of doctrines from the lds onto the others is only a slight proportion of the actual truth.

dont you see it man the law isn't about different denoms its about the individual

Zinzerio, Could you please, explain acts 15:10
I would love to see your point of view!

 

[phil112]

...........personally i think you suffer with the law of condemnation ...............

want to show me where that is in the bible? I never heard of it.

 

[just-me]

I feel I am led to present a hypothetical situation.
Suppose a Christian started expressing their delight in the helmet of salvation, breastplate of righteousness, and girdle of truth, their feet shod with the shoes of the preparation of the gospel of peace, and a sword of the spirit?

Then another came to them with the attitude of fervent disgust, and started calling them a Spartanist because they wanted to wear armor. They would insinuate that he wanted to show off, and question if he was to weak to fight like a man as they did. They would insinuate that by holding the sword in one hand, and the shield on the other arm, they would be preventing themselves from reading the Bible with both hands, thereby deteriorating the life they say they are living, and calling it a contradiction by any means possible. Is that not the mind that looks at things the same as the world does?

That, my friends, is seeing things with the mind that has predetermined that armor is bad for the believer. Is not the armor a parable, and allegory of the fighting man of Israel? Some would say that David didn’t wear any armor when he fought Goliath. I would say that David didn’t use a slingshot against the Amalekites. In his army were men who patiently received the training they needed to be mighty warriors, and they had armor. Is this really any different, in comparison, than predetermining that the law is bad for Christians by defining it only with the mind that is the same as the world’s because the law cannot be seen as spiritual and beneficial to the believer?