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it still doesn't jive.
dog·ma (ˈdôgmə) noun
why wouldn't you accept scripture as a basis for 'principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true?'
have you not read 2 Timothy 3:16? or you just reject it out of hand?
what exactly are you a disciple of?
by your fruits, confusion, i would think. certainly not of scripture. we've already been on this trip.
dog·ma (ˈdôgmə) noun
- a principle or set of principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true.
why wouldn't you accept scripture as a basis for 'principles laid down by an authority as incontrovertibly true?'
have you not read 2 Timothy 3:16? or you just reject it out of hand?
what exactly are you a disciple of?
by your fruits, confusion, i would think. certainly not of scripture. we've already been on this trip.
well, i'm sorry you felt driven to sit at home hitting yourself with a hammer, and i fear that the expected result of it - damaging yourself - has occurred.
surely you understand Paul was speaking in specific context to the Corinthians with regard to the selfish way they were conducting themselves, and not at all to move them towards isolationism? (talk about pulling a line out of context!)
maybe Paul, maybe Apollos, maybe someone else also said:
And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Not forsaking the assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is;
but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching.
(Hebrews 10:24-25)
With any due respect, Yeshua, Jesus, is the Almighty God, or have you not read also that in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.
What? Will you now ask, how can the Word be with God, yet be God? See Donkyfish's post on God not being at the level of men.
Are you not able to allow for our Father to reserve mysteries for His time to reveal them? Or do you believe you may seize the understanding from Him with words put cleverly together in order to explain what is not explainable at this time in this age?
Either one believes the Word or one does not.
What? Will you now ask, how can the Word be with God, yet be God? See Donkyfish's post on God not being at the level of men.
Are you not able to allow for our Father to reserve mysteries for His time to reveal them? Or do you believe you may seize the understanding from Him with words put cleverly together in order to explain what is not explainable at this time in this age?
Either one believes the Word or one does not.
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According to what I have learned, elohim may mean gods, powers or even powerful people. When Elohim is used as God it is usually modified with singular adjectives, being treated as One El, while otherwise used as elohim, it is modified with plural adjectives.
As for the mystery of the Person of our Maker, when Elohim is used I do tend to think It is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and this is correct, because they are One. This will nevery be truly explained in this age, although we, who believe, have a good faith grip on the matter, not requiring more than to believe and wait for the unveiling of Yahweh's great mysteries. There must be a lot of them, and they must be marvelous, yes.
As for the mystery of the Person of our Maker, when Elohim is used I do tend to think It is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, and this is correct, because they are One. This will nevery be truly explained in this age, although we, who believe, have a good faith grip on the matter, not requiring more than to believe and wait for the unveiling of Yahweh's great mysteries. There must be a lot of them, and they must be marvelous, yes.
4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the LORD my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.
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i didn't 'unreference' anything.lol.
Jesus came down to earth in flesh,Holy Spirit came down to earth in a Mighty way.Both are there in Holy Bible.
Both came to finite space becoming finite...
your profile pic is wrong because both Jesus and Holy spirit come down in the order below God the Father which is the infinite container in which everything exists.God is a Holy Family,something our mind(brain and heart) cannot comprehend..
When Jesus came down in flesh,He limited 'himself' to rise up as redeemer of mankind.Its all there in Holy Bible.
Where does it say about God the Father being described as in human form?
Can you point?
Do you want me to quote scripture for what i mentioned here?
Trinity is not given in Holy Bible,but Godhead is.
Jesus came down to earth in flesh,Holy Spirit came down to earth in a Mighty way.Both are there in Holy Bible.
Both came to finite space becoming finite...
your profile pic is wrong because both Jesus and Holy spirit come down in the order below God the Father which is the infinite container in which everything exists.God is a Holy Family,something our mind(brain and heart) cannot comprehend..
When Jesus came down in flesh,He limited 'himself' to rise up as redeemer of mankind.Its all there in Holy Bible.
Where does it say about God the Father being described as in human form?
Can you point?
Do you want me to quote scripture for what i mentioned here?
Trinity is not given in Holy Bible,but Godhead is.
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Jesus Christ had dual natures (Divine and Human).
In His Divine Nature, Jesus was part of a single, Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Love made them one. Similarly, a husband and wife are said to become one in love.
Christian monotheism has the dynamic of a loving relationship from everlasting to everlasting among the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Other theologies of monotheism do not have the same richness of this dynamic, loving relationship.
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Topic: Love between Father and Son
The Father loves the Son (John 3:35; John 5:20); you loved me before the foundation of the world (John 17:24); the Father loves me because I lay down my life (John 10:17); the Beloved (Eph. 1:6); my beloved in whom I am well-pleased (Matt. 12:18); my beloved Son (Matt. 3:17; Matt. 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 3:22); you are my beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased (Mark 1:11); he had a beloved son (Mark 12:6); I will send my beloved son (Luke 20:13); as the Father loved me, so have I loved you (John 15:9); that the love you have for me may be in them (John 17:26); you have loved them even as you loved me (John 17:23); I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love (John 15:10); that the world may know that I love the Father (John 14:31).
Source: Day, C. A. (2009). Collins Thesaurus of the Bible.
In His Divine Nature, Jesus was part of a single, Triune God (Father, Son and Holy Spirit). Love made them one. Similarly, a husband and wife are said to become one in love.
Christian monotheism has the dynamic of a loving relationship from everlasting to everlasting among the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Other theologies of monotheism do not have the same richness of this dynamic, loving relationship.
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Topic: Love between Father and Son
The Father loves the Son (John 3:35; John 5:20); you loved me before the foundation of the world (John 17:24); the Father loves me because I lay down my life (John 10:17); the Beloved (Eph. 1:6); my beloved in whom I am well-pleased (Matt. 12:18); my beloved Son (Matt. 3:17; Matt. 17:5; Mark 9:7; Luke 3:22); you are my beloved Son, with whom I am well-pleased (Mark 1:11); he had a beloved son (Mark 12:6); I will send my beloved son (Luke 20:13); as the Father loved me, so have I loved you (John 15:9); that the love you have for me may be in them (John 17:26); you have loved them even as you loved me (John 17:23); I have kept my Father’s commandments and remain in his love (John 15:10); that the world may know that I love the Father (John 14:31).
Source: Day, C. A. (2009). Collins Thesaurus of the Bible.
Most assuredly.
God The Son and God The Spirit have manifested in physical form.
The Trinity Shield represents ALL of scripture.
You cannot scripturally refute it.
God The Son was in the flesh in OT times, also....He was just not known as 'The Son' until NT times.
You cannot see God The Father and be physically alive.
However, thousands of people have seen God The Son and lived to tell about it.
Unless...of course...you are afraid to defend it....which is most likely the case...
The Trinity is an epithet representing ALL of scripture, as the Creator has chosen to reveal Himself.
Simple.
NOTE WHAT AN ASSEMBLY INCLUDES AND EXCLUDES. I DON'T KNOW OF ONE.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more OFFERING for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
The OLD COVENANT demanded that a sacrifice be made and that the priest had to be totally washed in the laver just as the sacrifice had been washed BEFORE he could go into the Holy Place (type of the church) or the Most Holy Place where we worship God in the PLACE of the human spirit which is the ONLY place He seeks us. You do not bring 2,000 people boldly before the throne of grace with loud singing with or without instruments.
That new "door" into the holiest is manifestly not on Mount Gerizim, not on Mount Zion and there fore not on any of our "mounts."
Fawcett-Brown notes that:
"No priestly caste now mediates between the sinner and his Judge. We may come boldly with loving confidence, not with slavish fear, directly through Christ, the only mediating Priest.
The minister is not officially nearer God than the layman; nor can the latter serve God at a distance or by deputy, as the natural man would like.
"Each must come for himself, and all are accepted when they come by the new and living way opened by Christ. Thus all Christians are, in respect to access directly to God, virtually high priests (Re 1:6). They draw nigh in and through Christ, the only proper High Priest (Heb 7:25).
Preachers and musicians get waged to BRING YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
However, as usual, they have it turned upside down:
Paul claims that we must withdraw from false teachers because they are not fulfilling the "contract" between teacher and student:
WHAT IS COMMANDED AS THE WAY TO MARK A LOGOS SPEAKER
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words,
even the WORDS of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the
doctrine which is according to godliness; 1 Ti.6:3
If you preacher huffs and puff then DON'T GO THERE: DON'T FEED HIM.
Sermonibus 2. Ordinary speech, speaking, talking, the language of conversation(Opposite. contentio): “sermo est oratio remissa et finitima cottidianae locutioni,” Of prose as opposed to poetry: “comoedia .
God is the LOGOS: Jesus SPOKE the LOGOS: Jesus commanded the Apostles to SPEAK the logos. This is a word simple simon would understand. Simple would understand that LEXIS is the OPPOSITE of ODE just as UP is the opposite of DOWN.
Logos like most words is both inclusive and exclusive.
IV. inward debate of the soul 1.thinking, reasoning, explanation, opposite perception,
IV. 1 Opposite Logismos calculation, reasoning, III. reasoning power,
in Logic, of discursive reasoning, opposite intuition
2. reason as a faculty,
V. continuous statement, narrative(whether fact or fiction), oration lego
3. Opposite Muthos as history to legend II.tale, story, narrative, Myth is fiction opposite logos or historic truth.
4.speech, delivered in court, assembly
VI. verbal expression or utterance, lego, lexis
Lexis A.speech, opposite ôidê, 1.art of song 5. = eppsdê, spell, incantation
4.text of an author, opposite exegesis [Peter's private interpretation outlaws exegesis]
prose, opposite poiêsis, Id.R.390a; X. the Word or Wisdom of God, personified as his agent in creation and world-government,
Christ in Isaiah 8 said that if people do NOT speak that which is written THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Paul continues to identify those withNO LIGHT.
WHAT THIS SAYS ABOUT A FALSE TEACHER "LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE."
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 1 Tim 6:4
The Pseudo-Priest replacing the ONE ANOTHER marks that assembly as NOT CHRISTIAN.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of OURSELVES together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching
The civil ekklesia or synagogue met roughly each week: it had a CONTACT MAN in each location who could call the people for regular WORD ASSEMBLIES or to deliver any news. When Paul wrote to a church in a city the postman knew that Jimmy the Baker was the CONTACT man and His direct command was to READ the letter. A synagogue had a poor box for the poor and widows: teachers might be around a synagogue so that if Paul wanted to be a student then HE hired the teacher WHILE the teacher was teaching. However, the teacher did not move in with the disciple. That was the PATTERN Jesus observed.
CHRIST OUTLAWED SINGING, PLAYING AND RHETORIC IN THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE WILDERNESS.
episun-a^gōgē , hē, A.gathering or being gathered together, LXX 2 Ma.2.7, 2 Ep.Thess.2.1, etc.
IN AN UNLAWFUL SYNAGOGUE
A laded burden marks any kind of arousal music with or without machines and is a TAX NOT IN TIME OF WAR:
b.collection of a sum of money,
OUTLAWED as a LAW:
2Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.
Heb 10:18 Now where remission of these is, there is no more OFFERING for sin.
Heb 10:19 Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
The OLD COVENANT demanded that a sacrifice be made and that the priest had to be totally washed in the laver just as the sacrifice had been washed BEFORE he could go into the Holy Place (type of the church) or the Most Holy Place where we worship God in the PLACE of the human spirit which is the ONLY place He seeks us. You do not bring 2,000 people boldly before the throne of grace with loud singing with or without instruments.
That new "door" into the holiest is manifestly not on Mount Gerizim, not on Mount Zion and there fore not on any of our "mounts."
Fawcett-Brown notes that:
"No priestly caste now mediates between the sinner and his Judge. We may come boldly with loving confidence, not with slavish fear, directly through Christ, the only mediating Priest.
The minister is not officially nearer God than the layman; nor can the latter serve God at a distance or by deputy, as the natural man would like.
"Each must come for himself, and all are accepted when they come by the new and living way opened by Christ. Thus all Christians are, in respect to access directly to God, virtually high priests (Re 1:6). They draw nigh in and through Christ, the only proper High Priest (Heb 7:25).
Preachers and musicians get waged to BRING YOU INTO THE PRESENCE OF GOD.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised
However, as usual, they have it turned upside down:
Paul claims that we must withdraw from false teachers because they are not fulfilling the "contract" between teacher and student:
WHAT IS COMMANDED AS THE WAY TO MARK A LOGOS SPEAKER
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words,
even the WORDS of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the
doctrine which is according to godliness; 1 Ti.6:3
If you preacher huffs and puff then DON'T GO THERE: DON'T FEED HIM.
Sermonibus 2. Ordinary speech, speaking, talking, the language of conversation(Opposite. contentio): “sermo est oratio remissa et finitima cottidianae locutioni,” Of prose as opposed to poetry: “comoedia .
God is the LOGOS: Jesus SPOKE the LOGOS: Jesus commanded the Apostles to SPEAK the logos. This is a word simple simon would understand. Simple would understand that LEXIS is the OPPOSITE of ODE just as UP is the opposite of DOWN.
Logos like most words is both inclusive and exclusive.
IV. inward debate of the soul 1.thinking, reasoning, explanation, opposite perception,
IV. 1 Opposite Logismos calculation, reasoning, III. reasoning power,
in Logic, of discursive reasoning, opposite intuition
2. reason as a faculty,
V. continuous statement, narrative(whether fact or fiction), oration lego
3. Opposite Muthos as history to legend II.tale, story, narrative, Myth is fiction opposite logos or historic truth.
4.speech, delivered in court, assembly
VI. verbal expression or utterance, lego, lexis
Lexis A.speech, opposite ôidê, 1.art of song 5. = eppsdê, spell, incantation
4.text of an author, opposite exegesis [Peter's private interpretation outlaws exegesis]
prose, opposite poiêsis, Id.R.390a; X. the Word or Wisdom of God, personified as his agent in creation and world-government,
Christ in Isaiah 8 said that if people do NOT speak that which is written THERE IS NO LIGHT IN THEM. Paul continues to identify those withNO LIGHT.
WHAT THIS SAYS ABOUT A FALSE TEACHER "LYING IN WAIT TO DECEIVE."
He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, 1 Tim 6:4
The Pseudo-Priest replacing the ONE ANOTHER marks that assembly as NOT CHRISTIAN.
Heb 10:24 And let us consider one another to provoke unto love and to good works:
Heb 10:25 Not forsaking the assembling of OURSELVES together, as the manner of some is; but exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day approaching
The civil ekklesia or synagogue met roughly each week: it had a CONTACT MAN in each location who could call the people for regular WORD ASSEMBLIES or to deliver any news. When Paul wrote to a church in a city the postman knew that Jimmy the Baker was the CONTACT man and His direct command was to READ the letter. A synagogue had a poor box for the poor and widows: teachers might be around a synagogue so that if Paul wanted to be a student then HE hired the teacher WHILE the teacher was teaching. However, the teacher did not move in with the disciple. That was the PATTERN Jesus observed.
CHRIST OUTLAWED SINGING, PLAYING AND RHETORIC IN THE SYNAGOGUE IN THE WILDERNESS.
episun-a^gōgē , hē, A.gathering or being gathered together, LXX 2 Ma.2.7, 2 Ep.Thess.2.1, etc.
IN AN UNLAWFUL SYNAGOGUE
A laded burden marks any kind of arousal music with or without machines and is a TAX NOT IN TIME OF WAR:
b.collection of a sum of money,
OUTLAWED as a LAW:
2Corinthians 8:8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.