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God SPOKE the Word (Spirit) and created everything: God breathed Spirit and Mary conceived. The trinitarian thesis is that the
John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers
.....shall worship the Father IN spirit [place] and in truth: [The Word]
.....for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him
....must worship him in spirit and in truth.
IN spirit is a PLACE as opposed to mountains and houses built by human hands. IN TRUTH is the Word of God which must be PREACHED by being READ for Comfort and Doctrine. Beyond that is self-will.
Luke 24:37 But they were terrified and affrighted, and supposed that they had seen a spirit.
Luke 24:38 And he said unto them, Why are ye troubled? and why do thoughts arise in your hearts?
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;.....for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
God is holy or WHOLLY Spirit in nature
A Spirit does not have flesh and bones
Jesus had flesh and bones
Therefore, Jesus was neither God the Father nor a conceived offspring
Jesus is not HALF GOD and HALF MAN
1Corinthians 8:5 For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth,
.....(as there be gods many, and lords many,)
1Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, OF whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, BY whom are all things, and we by him.
Ephesians 4:5 One Lord [Kurios], one faith, one baptism,
Ephesians 4:6 One God [Theos] and Father of all, who is above all,
.....and through all, and in you all.
Jesus was MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ by the ONE GOD THE FATHER.
John 14:28 Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away,.....and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said,
...I go unto the Father:
.for my Father is greater than I.
Jesus received the PROMISE of the Holy Spirit which means that God gave Him the evangelistic role of guiding the Apostles int ALL truth.
Paul wants ALL men and women to be silent during the SCHOOL of Christ because self-speakers believe that they are to be paid to ENHANCE or MEDIATE the Word in song or sermon.
WHY?
1Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved,
.....and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is ONE God, [Count "them" if you dare]
.....and one mediator between God and men,
t....The MAN Christ Jesus
BLACK text on BROWN paper: Jesus is not GOD nor half-God: Jesus was the MAN as the SEED of Abraham and not the SEED of the always-pagan trinities.
Remembering that the ONE GOD THE FATHER made Jesus of Nazareth TO BE both Lord and Christ. Jesus was not Lord and Christ until God MADE Him to be.
False teachers DENIED that Jesus could speak for God unless he was ALSO a god. However, that is a dangerous delusion from which most cannot escape and therefore deny the clear statements
Christ is MESSIAH and is not a god-word. Messiah MUST be OF Abraham and the other faithful men. The SEED came through Mary to PROVE that "a" god did not tamper with her.
1John 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth NOT
.....that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is NOT of God:
.....and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come;
.....and even now already is it in the world.
2John 7 For many deceivers are entered into the world,
.....who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh.
.....This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
God is SPIRIT with no flesh and bones.
Jesus had flesh and bones and blood which He shed on behalf of God Who does not bleed.
Those who say that Jesus was a "god people" deny that He was the MAN Jesus whom the ONE GOD THE FATHER made to be both Lord and Christ. He was neither Lord nor Christ until God ordained Him to be.
If you depend on some human reasoning power to refute these clear statements that is exactly what God wants you to do. However, Paul warned about corrupting the Word which means SELLING LEARNING AT WHOLESALE.
I realize you still have a right to choose what you want to believe, in fact GOD gave you that right.
However you are TOTALLY missing the boat on what born again is. I will explain it to you, but I doubt if you will think it is anything more than "foolishness", because it can only be understood with an eternally alive human spirit in you.
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who ⌊comes⌋ from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the unbeliever does not welcome what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For who has known the Lord’s mind, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
When a human being is born physically, not counting any birth defects, his body is functioning like it should, his soul which is his human mind is functioning like it should, however his human spirit is NOT functioning like it should. In fact it is totally in tune with the human soul or mind, thinking only about the will of the flesh. It therefore is essentially DEAD to the will of GOD. Spiritually dead is NOT like physical death when the body and soul cease to function. It just means it CANNOT function in tune with the will of GOD, understanding spiritual truths.
John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again,he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water (physical birth)and the Spirit (spiritual birth), he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you thatyou must be born again.
That human spirit that chimes only in tune with the will of the flesh (spiritually dead) can ONLY be brought to become eternally alive to the will of GOD, by the Holy Spirit Himself. The instant HE does that to your spiritually dead human spirit; which is in that condition because of the inherited sin of rebellion that we got from Adam; the rebellion against HIS authority in that human spirit STOPS and ETERNAL LIFE begins. That is why surrendering to HIM as LORD and MASTER, comes naturally to a born again Christian. As you then begin to study the Word of GOD, you will notice that it comes alive with understanding that you never understood before, you hunger and thirst for more understanding, and you will NOTICE that there is a second mind functioning in you now, a spiritual mind as well as a fleshly mind. Yes they can oppose one another in a battle between the will of the spirit and the will of the flesh, quite frequently in the beginning. But I promise you as you FEED that hungry eternally alive spirit on the Word of GOD, it will mature, become stronger, and eventually dominate over the will of the flesh.
Doubt that there is such a thing as a human spirit?
1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You thought soul and spirit were the same thing?
Zechariah 12:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] An Oracle The word of the LORD concerning Israel. A declaration of the LORD, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth, and formed the spirit of man within him.
Hebrews 4:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the ideas and thoughts of the heart.
Doubt that the Soul of man is his human mind or psyche?
Luke 12:19-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will say to my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry." '
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But God said to him, 'Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?'
Doubt that our human spirits are spiritually dead until the Holy Spirit brings them to eternal life?
Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!
John 3:6-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
John 5:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] “I assure you: An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
We were DEAD, but if we are truly born again, that once DEAD to the will of GOD human spirit, is NOW eternally alive to HIM.
However you are TOTALLY missing the boat on what born again is. I will explain it to you, but I doubt if you will think it is anything more than "foolishness", because it can only be understood with an eternally alive human spirit in you.
1 Corinthians 2:12-16 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] Now we have not received the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who ⌊comes⌋ from God, so that we may understand what has been freely given to us by God.
[SUP]13 [/SUP] We also speak these things, not in words taught by human wisdom, but in those taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual things to spiritual people.
[SUP]14 [/SUP] But the unbeliever does not welcome what comes from God’s Spirit, because it is foolishness to him; he is not able to understand it since it is evaluated spiritually.
[SUP]15 [/SUP] The spiritual person, however, can evaluate everything, yet he himself cannot be evaluated by anyone.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For who has known the Lord’s mind, that he may instruct Him? But we have the mind of Christ.
When a human being is born physically, not counting any birth defects, his body is functioning like it should, his soul which is his human mind is functioning like it should, however his human spirit is NOT functioning like it should. In fact it is totally in tune with the human soul or mind, thinking only about the will of the flesh. It therefore is essentially DEAD to the will of GOD. Spiritually dead is NOT like physical death when the body and soul cease to function. It just means it CANNOT function in tune with the will of GOD, understanding spiritual truths.
John 3:3-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]3 [/SUP] Jesus replied, “I assure you: Unless someone is born again,he cannot see the kingdom of God.”
[SUP]4 [/SUP] “But how can anyone be born when he is old?” Nicodemus asked Him. “Can he enter his mother’s womb a second time and be born?”
[SUP]5 [/SUP] Jesus answered, “I assure you: Unless someone is born of water (physical birth)and the Spirit (spiritual birth), he cannot enter the kingdom of God.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you thatyou must be born again.
That human spirit that chimes only in tune with the will of the flesh (spiritually dead) can ONLY be brought to become eternally alive to the will of GOD, by the Holy Spirit Himself. The instant HE does that to your spiritually dead human spirit; which is in that condition because of the inherited sin of rebellion that we got from Adam; the rebellion against HIS authority in that human spirit STOPS and ETERNAL LIFE begins. That is why surrendering to HIM as LORD and MASTER, comes naturally to a born again Christian. As you then begin to study the Word of GOD, you will notice that it comes alive with understanding that you never understood before, you hunger and thirst for more understanding, and you will NOTICE that there is a second mind functioning in you now, a spiritual mind as well as a fleshly mind. Yes they can oppose one another in a battle between the will of the spirit and the will of the flesh, quite frequently in the beginning. But I promise you as you FEED that hungry eternally alive spirit on the Word of GOD, it will mature, become stronger, and eventually dominate over the will of the flesh.
Doubt that there is such a thing as a human spirit?
1 Thessalonians 5:23 (NKJV)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ.
You thought soul and spirit were the same thing?
Zechariah 12:1 (HCSB)
[SUP]1 [/SUP] An Oracle The word of the LORD concerning Israel. A declaration of the LORD, who stretched out the heavens, laid the foundation of the earth, and formed the spirit of man within him.
Hebrews 4:12 (HCSB)
[SUP]12 [/SUP] For the word of God is living and effective and sharper than any double-edged sword, penetrating as far as the separation of soul and spirit, joints and marrow. It is able to judge the ideas and thoughts of the heart.
Doubt that the Soul of man is his human mind or psyche?
Luke 12:19-20 (NKJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will say to my soul, "Soul, you have many goods laid up for many years; take your ease; eat, drink, and be merry." '
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But God said to him, 'Fool! This night your soul will be required of you; then whose will those things be which you have provided?'
Doubt that our human spirits are spiritually dead until the Holy Spirit brings them to eternal life?
Ephesians 2:4-5 (HCSB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But God, who is rich in mercy, because of His great love that He had for us,
[SUP]5 [/SUP] made us alive with the Messiah even though we were dead in trespasses. You are saved by grace!
John 3:6-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Whatever is born of the flesh is flesh, and whatever is born of the Spirit is spirit.
[SUP]7 [/SUP] Do not be amazed that I told you that you must be born again.
John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.
John 5:24-25 (HCSB)
[SUP]24 [/SUP] “I assure you: Anyone who hears My word and believes Him who sent Me has eternal life and will not come under judgment but has passed from death to life.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] “I assure you: An hour is coming, and is now here, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live.
We were DEAD, but if we are truly born again, that once DEAD to the will of GOD human spirit, is NOW eternally alive to HIM.
Anyone who has actually read the Old and New Testaments knows Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace, Wonderful, Counselor, God Almighty, and much more, yet He is one.
You do not understand this? Good, no one else fully understands either, and this is why it remains one of the mysteries reserved to be revealed in God's time.
You do not understand this? Good, no one else fully understands either, and this is why it remains one of the mysteries reserved to be revealed in God's time.
To deny that Jesus who was MADE to be LORD by the ONE GOD and was FLESH with NO GOD CONTENT John has told us is the meaning of being ANTICHRIST: to deny the full humanity of Jesus of Nazareth denies that God could use him as His INSTRUMENTAL means, not to be a miracle or ceremony worker but to REVEAL God's Word. To deny that the Word or Logos is the Regulative Principle which excludes theologians, is to deny that Jesus MADE to be the Messiah could obey God's Will perfectly. Jesus said that neither He nor His disciples are OF the World and the trinitarian concept is OF the World.
Trinitiarians claim that Jesus was one of the three god persons because the KJV says that GOD was manifest in the flesh. There is no evidence among the classical trinitarians that they believed that GOD the universal Spirit of the universe came in the flesh. If they had believed that God came in the flesh they would have claimed it if they intended to speak of the moderntrinity of three "centers of consciousness" or separated members of a god family.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
The historic trinitarians define One God Being and one Lord Jesus Christ.
A primary proof text is 1 Timothy 3:16 from the KJV although neo-trinitarians generally reject it.
1 Timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
.....God was manifest in the flesh, God did not appear
.....justified in the Spirit, God didn't need to be justified
.....seen of angels, So whats new.
.....preached unto the Gentiles, The gospel OF the Kingdom was preached
.....believed on in the world,
.....received up into glory. It was JESUS received up.
1 Timothy 3.16 kai homologoumenōs mega estin to tēs eusebeias mustērion: ‘ Hos ephanerōthē en sarki,
Theos does not appear in the Latin or Greek. So, why do people work so hard to refute.
However, other versions use HE because God didn't die on the cross
The words for "god" are different: God is [theos] but Son is Lord [kurios]
1Timothy 3:16ASV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness;
.....He who was manifested in the flesh,
.....Justified in the spirit,
.....Seen of angels,
.....Preached among the nations,
.....Believed on in the world,
.....Received up in glory.
Trinitarians use "inferences" from the KJV although the text does not include the word for Go.
"He appeared in a body" (NIV)
"He who was manifested in the flesh" (ASV)
"He who was revealed in the flesh" (NASB)
"He was manifested in the flesh" (RSV)
"Which was manifested in the flesh" (Douey-Rheims)
"Who was manifested in the flesh" (NAB)"
The word GOD is supplied: Why add it to refute all of the absolute passages that prove that Jesus was the Son of God by obedience. Jesus would now be about 2000 years old: not infinitely old.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, [kuriou]
.....which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God [theou] with power,
.....according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead
2Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David
..........was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
When theou gives full authority to kuriou He is to be honored like God
Those who claim that this is the dispensation of a Holy Spirit Person and say that Jesus has HAD His dispensation despise Christ and that defines blasphemy. They fail to onderstand the ONE theou and His kuriou do not have or need a Holy Spirit Person to MEDIATE: John calls them antichrists.
Trinitiarians claim that Jesus was one of the three god persons because the KJV says that GOD was manifest in the flesh. There is no evidence among the classical trinitarians that they believed that GOD the universal Spirit of the universe came in the flesh. If they had believed that God came in the flesh they would have claimed it if they intended to speak of the moderntrinity of three "centers of consciousness" or separated members of a god family.
Luke 24:39 Behold my hands and my feet, that it is I myself: handle me, and see;
for a spirit hath not flesh and bones, as ye see me have.
The historic trinitarians define One God Being and one Lord Jesus Christ.
A primary proof text is 1 Timothy 3:16 from the KJV although neo-trinitarians generally reject it.
1 Timothy 3:16And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
.....God was manifest in the flesh, God did not appear
.....justified in the Spirit, God didn't need to be justified
.....seen of angels, So whats new.
.....preached unto the Gentiles, The gospel OF the Kingdom was preached
.....believed on in the world,
.....received up into glory. It was JESUS received up.
1 Timothy 3.16 kai homologoumenōs mega estin to tēs eusebeias mustērion: ‘ Hos ephanerōthē en sarki,
Theos does not appear in the Latin or Greek. So, why do people work so hard to refute.
However, other versions use HE because God didn't die on the cross
The words for "god" are different: God is [theos] but Son is Lord [kurios]
1Timothy 3:16ASV And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness;
.....He who was manifested in the flesh,
.....Justified in the spirit,
.....Seen of angels,
.....Preached among the nations,
.....Believed on in the world,
.....Received up in glory.
Trinitarians use "inferences" from the KJV although the text does not include the word for Go.
"He appeared in a body" (NIV)
"He who was manifested in the flesh" (ASV)
"He who was revealed in the flesh" (NASB)
"He was manifested in the flesh" (RSV)
"Which was manifested in the flesh" (Douey-Rheims)
"Who was manifested in the flesh" (NAB)"
The word GOD is supplied: Why add it to refute all of the absolute passages that prove that Jesus was the Son of God by obedience. Jesus would now be about 2000 years old: not infinitely old.
Romans 1:3 Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our Lord, [kuriou]
.....which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh;
Romans 1:4 And declared to be the Son of God [theou] with power,
.....according to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead
2Timothy 2:7 Consider what I say; and the Lord give thee understanding in all things.
2Timothy 2:8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David
..........was raised from the dead according to my gospel:
When theou gives full authority to kuriou He is to be honored like God
Those who claim that this is the dispensation of a Holy Spirit Person and say that Jesus has HAD His dispensation despise Christ and that defines blasphemy. They fail to onderstand the ONE theou and His kuriou do not have or need a Holy Spirit Person to MEDIATE: John calls them antichrists.
ACTUALLY, he would be hailed as an ELOHIM and not Jehovah: While all pagan trinities consist of father, mother (spirit) and hatched little son, Jesus makes it clear that ALL of those persons (people) of authority is vested by the ONE GOD in Jesus Christ. NAME is singular so that when people wanted to know how to be saved, Peter and EVERYONE commanded that they be baptized in the NAME (singular) of Jesus Christ.
Philip wanted to SEE the father clearly understanding the view that if Jesus was a son then surely there must be a father He could drag out. Jesus said that if you have seen ME then you have seen the father which you think is another people.
Whatever you do do all in the NAME of the LORD. That will include all of the terms in Isaiah. He will be called or hailed as having FULL authority. However, they named Him JESUS because HE and not a required family or families of gods would be necessary to be saved.
Philip wanted to SEE the father clearly understanding the view that if Jesus was a son then surely there must be a father He could drag out. Jesus said that if you have seen ME then you have seen the father which you think is another people.
Whatever you do do all in the NAME of the LORD. That will include all of the terms in Isaiah. He will be called or hailed as having FULL authority. However, they named Him JESUS because HE and not a required family or families of gods would be necessary to be saved.
Perhaps if some of you who are truly seeking would consider that we who are saved in Jesus, Yeshua, have Him dwelling in us, the Holy Spirit. While Jesus was here, in order for His creatures, us, to know He is qualified to judge the living and the dead, He had to be here in our condition, that is in the flesh, a mere Man, the Son of Man.
It is certain the Holy Spirit dwelled in Him as it does in all of us while He walked this earth, His creation. On the cross He cried, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me." He died. He was in the Father, and the Father was in Him, yet He died.
It was the requirement for Him to be seen as authorized to judge all beings, although He was authorized from the beginning, He went so far as to earn it.
Now, He is, as written by Isaiah, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, Wonderful, Counselor, and God Almighty, for they are ONE.
He was human, but only for you, for me, and for all who will be saved. He is Yahweh, God, amen.
It is certain the Holy Spirit dwelled in Him as it does in all of us while He walked this earth, His creation. On the cross He cried, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me." He died. He was in the Father, and the Father was in Him, yet He died.
It was the requirement for Him to be seen as authorized to judge all beings, although He was authorized from the beginning, He went so far as to earn it.
Now, He is, as written by Isaiah, the Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace, Wonderful, Counselor, and God Almighty, for they are ONE.
He was human, but only for you, for me, and for all who will be saved. He is Yahweh, God, amen.
Sorry, I don't have a copy of the Byzantine version: I wouldn't want to refute all of those other version.
[16] et manifeste magnum est pietatis sacramentum
NET1Timothy 3:16 And we all agree,22 our religion contains amazing revelation:23
He24 was revealed in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,25
seen by angels,
proclaimed among Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.
1Timothy 3:16NIV Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: ¶ He appeared in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.
1Timothy 3:16Weymouth And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion— that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.
since no one has seen God the Father, I betcha that it was JESUS who imaged all that we can know about God: do all in the name of the Lord. When I returned to middle tennessee they were worshiping the NAME of the Father, worshiping the NAME of the Son and wurshupping the nam-e of the huly sprt.
[16] et manifeste magnum est pietatis sacramentum
NET1Timothy 3:16 And we all agree,22 our religion contains amazing revelation:23
He24 was revealed in the flesh,
vindicated by the Spirit,25
seen by angels,
proclaimed among Gentiles,
believed on in the world,
taken up in glory.
1Timothy 3:16NIV Beyond all question, the mystery of godliness is great: ¶ He appeared in a body,
was vindicated by the Spirit,
was seen by angels,
was preached among the nations,
was believed on in the world,
was taken up in glory.
1Timothy 3:16Weymouth And, beyond controversy, great is the mystery of our religion— that Christ appeared in human form, and His claims justified by the Spirit, was seen by angels and proclaimed among Gentile nations, was believed on in the world, and received up again into glory.
since no one has seen God the Father, I betcha that it was JESUS who imaged all that we can know about God: do all in the name of the Lord. When I returned to middle tennessee they were worshiping the NAME of the Father, worshiping the NAME of the Son and wurshupping the nam-e of the huly sprt.
So you may understand that Jesus Christ is the son of The Almighty God... http://thesimpleanswers.com/2012/11/27/is-god-a-trinity/
Latin 1 Timothy 3:16 [16] et manifeste magnum est pietatis sacramentum quod manifestatum est in carne iustificatum est in spiritu apparuit angelis praedicatum est gentibus creditum est in mundo adsumptum est in gloria
Latin (Saint Jerome, Bible Foundation and On-Line Book Initiative)
Greek 16 kai homologoumenōs mega estin to tēs eusebeias mustērion: ‘ Hos ephanerōthē en sarki,
edikaiōthē en pneumati,
ōphthē aggelois,
ekērukhthē en ethnesin,
episteuthē en kosmō,
anelēmphthē en doxē.
Brooke Foss Westcott, Fenton John Anthony Hort, Ed.
That's all I have ready at hand right now. I pretend that I don't know anything so I just quote what others have written: too late to go back and become a Greek or Latin scholar. If No one has SEEN God then clearly He was not manifested.
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Latin (Saint Jerome, Bible Foundation and On-Line Book Initiative)
Greek 16 kai homologoumenōs mega estin to tēs eusebeias mustērion: ‘ Hos ephanerōthē en sarki,
edikaiōthē en pneumati,
ōphthē aggelois,
ekērukhthē en ethnesin,
episteuthē en kosmō,
anelēmphthē en doxē.
Brooke Foss Westcott, Fenton John Anthony Hort, Ed.
That's all I have ready at hand right now. I pretend that I don't know anything so I just quote what others have written: too late to go back and become a Greek or Latin scholar. If No one has SEEN God then clearly He was not manifested.
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In truth, the Manuscript evidence on 1Tim. 3:16 is about equal on both sides of the question. Some use the pronoun Ὃς - "He who" while other manuscripts use θεὸς - God. I do not understand why you seem to be unable to grasp the concept of the deity of Christ. There is not a more confirmed theological concepts presented in the NT than the deity of Christ. Perhaps you would like to take a closer look at John 1.
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Agreed, although he does have a very good point about the word Elohim. Theos and Elohim are pretty much interchangeable when comparing Greek new testament and Hebrew old testament passages. I wouldn't go as far to say that it is in every single possible case, but Hebrews 1:8-9 is a great example. The word theos is used there. But when it says "Thy throne, O God".....the word Theos is used there, but it's also a direct reference to Psalm 45:6-7......and in Hebrew the word Elohim is used for the same statement. Elohim does not always refer to the Most High when it is used (although it sometimes does). It's usage is more versatile than our English word "God".
I don't think there is anything wrong with the translation we have in English at all, it's rather a matter of people arguing over what verses mean that prompted me to study the words used in the context of the original languages. Elohim is the most interesting word I've ever studied.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the translation we have in English at all, it's rather a matter of people arguing over what verses mean that prompted me to study the words used in the context of the original languages. Elohim is the most interesting word I've ever studied.
Then link me to one: that still would not contradict NO ONE HAS SEEN GOD to "God" was MANIFESTED in the FLESH. So, you need a manuscript which says that EVERYONE seen God so you don't need and IMAGE of the INVISIBLE God.
Scripture still says that the MAN Jesus is our only mediator to the ONE GOD THE FATHER.
Scripture still says that the MAN Jesus is our only mediator to the ONE GOD THE FATHER.