Talking against the law is dangerous

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Zinzerio

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as of the last 24 hours i have not broken any of the 10 ten commandments if i have please show me.
my name means also i wish to be totally sincere and totaly not sinning if you don't lke my name because your having problems with obeying the lord that is your problem.
 
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Grandpa

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eternally-gratefull said:
and would that be? to stop doing the things which condemn you?
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Do you find it strange that those who profess Christianity, who know the difference between the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life, still prefer to eat from the wrong tree???

The only thing we can discern from this is that they don't in fact know the difference between what is good for them and what isn't. They have been led into the ditch where the blind always lead the blind...

Its a wonder anyone can be free of these blind guides. Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Did someone tell you that it was ok to eat from both trees? It surely wasn't the Holy Spirit.

I will leave this thread with these two questions;
What Laws are not kept by the fruit of the Spirit?
How are these fruit of the Spirit produced?

There is nothing wrong with the law. Its just not where our life in Christ is located.
 
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Zinzerio

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[TD]8–10 “‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.[/TD]
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[TD]18 “‘And you shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
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[TD]Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour[/TD]
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[TD]20 “‘And you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.[/TD]
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these are the old testament commandments.

If you read the new commandments that born again christian speak like love your neighbor THEY are in the old testament commandments if you read them

1 you should not have any other Gods befor me means exactly what it says it means i am your farther the only one and it also that you should love your farther with all your heart

you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor is the same as you shall love your neighbor.

Maybe the people did not fully understand this back then and so now we have Jesus in the new testament explaining what that is The God of the new testament is the same God as the old,

And if you love your father you will keep his commandments it can be done Paul did it many people where freed in the new testament, And many people strive to do it even me,

The bible clearly tells us that the rebellious don't receive the spirit ? what does this mean it means that if you dont have a sincere heart to put away the old you don't receive the Grace,
 
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Zinzerio

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Grandpa said:
Do you find it strange that those who profess Christianity, who know the difference between the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life, still prefer to eat from the wrong tree???

The only thing we can discern from this is that they don't in fact know the difference between what is good for them and what isn't. They have been led into the ditch where the blind always lead the blind...

Its a wonder anyone can be free of these blind guides. Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Did someone tell you that it was ok to eat from both trees? It surely wasn't the Holy Spirit.

I will leave this thread with these two questions;
What Laws are not kept by the fruit of the Spirit?
How are these fruit of the Spirit produced?

There is nothing wrong with the law. Its just not where our life in Christ is located.
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well up to this day i have never once had a problem with your quotes grandpa and i have read your quotes for a couple of years and i have enjoyed how ever if you love your enemy you will obey the lord if you dont you will disobey the lord i am only speaking the truth and the truth will set you free
 
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eternally-gratefull

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#565
Grandpa said:
Do you find it strange that those who profess Christianity, who know the difference between the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil and the Tree of Life, still prefer to eat from the wrong tree???

The only thing we can discern from this is that they don't in fact know the difference between what is good for them and what isn't. They have been led into the ditch where the blind always lead the blind...

Its a wonder anyone can be free of these blind guides. Thank God for the Lord Jesus Christ.

Did someone tell you that it was ok to eat from both trees? It surely wasn't the Holy Spirit.

I will leave this thread with these two questions;
What Laws are not kept by the fruit of the Spirit?
How are these fruit of the Spirit produced?

There is nothing wrong with the law. Its just not where our life in Christ is located.
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Maybe they look at the tree of Good and Evil, And see the tree of life? I don;t know. I can not explain it myself?

The tree of evil showed us what the law showed us, What sin is. It is the tree of life which we must partake of to be set free of the death caused by the tree of good and evil.

It is like they want to eat the tree of life. but then go back and continue to eat the tree of good and evil. Whats the point?
 
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ZINZERIO said:
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[TD]6 “‘I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery.[/TD]
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[TD]8–10 “‘You shall not make for yourself a carved image, or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is on the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth. You shall not bow down to them or serve them; for I the LORD your God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers on the children to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing steadfast love to thousands of those who love me and keep my commandments.[/TD]
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[TD]Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain[/TD]
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[TD]11 “‘You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes his name in vain.[/TD]
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[TD]12–15 “‘Observe the Sabbath day, to keep it holy, as the LORD your God commanded you. Six days you shall labor and do all your work, but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, you or your son or your daughter or your male servant or your female servant, or your ox or your donkey or any of your livestock, or the sojourner who is within your gates, that your male servant and your female servant may rest as well as you. You shall remember that you were a slave in the land of Egypt, and the LORD your God brought you out from there with a mighty hand and an outstretched arm. Therefore the LORD your God commanded you to keep the Sabbath day.[/TD]
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[TD]Honour thy father and thy mother[/TD]
[TD]12 “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.[/TD]
[TD]16 “‘Honor your father and your mother, as the LORD your God commanded you, that your days may be long, and that it may go well with you in the land that the LORD your God is giving you.[/TD]
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[TD]Thou shalt not kill[/TD]
[TD]13 “You shall not murder.[/TD]
[TD]17 “‘You shall not murder.[/TD]
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[TD]Thou shalt not commit adultery[/TD]
[TD]14 “You shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
[TD]18 “‘And you shall not commit adultery.[/TD]
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[TD]Thou shalt not steal[/TD]
[TD]15 “You shall not steal.[/TD]
[TD]19 “‘And you shall not steal.[/TD]
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[TD]Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour[/TD]
[TD]16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.[/TD]
[TD]20 “‘And you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.[/TD]
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[TD]Thou shalt not covet[/TD]
[TD]17a “You shall not covet your neighbor's house;[/TD]
[TD]21b “‘And you shall not desire your neighbor's house, his field,[/TD]
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[TD]17b “you shall not covet your neighbor's wife,[/TD]
[TD]21a “‘And you shall not covet your neighbor's wife.[/TD]
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[TD]17c “or his male servant, or his female servant, or his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.”[/TD]
[TD]21c “or his male servant, or his female servant, his ox, or his donkey, or anything that is your neighbor's.’[/TD]
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these are the old testament commandments.

If you read the new commandments that born again christian speak like love your neighbor THEY are in the old testament commandments if you read them

1 you should not have any other Gods befor me means exactly what it says it means i am your farther the only one and it also that you should love your farther with all your heart

you shall not bear false witness against your neighbor is the same as you shall love your neighbor.

Maybe the people did not fully understand this back then and so now we have Jesus in the new testament explaining what that is The God of the new testament is the same God as the old,

And if you love your father you will keep his commandments it can be done Paul did it many people where freed in the new testament, And many people strive to do it even me,

The bible clearly tells us that the rebellious don't receive the spirit ? what does this mean it means that if you dont have a sincere heart to put away the old you don't receive the Grace,
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that it totally not the point.

The law you speak of was given to PROVE our condemnation. it was a minister of death, because ALL do not obey every word is condemned.

So why would we want to go back to what can only condemn us, And not look to the spirit of love which uncondemned us?

It makes no sense.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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ZINZERIO said:
well up to this day i have never once had a problem with your quotes grandpa and i have read your quotes for a couple of years and i have enjoyed how ever if you love your enemy you will obey the lord if you dont you will disobey the lord i am only speaking the truth and the truth will set you free
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lol..

If you love your enemy. The final outcome is you will obey the Lord. One does not need the ten commandments to realise this or accomplish this, It just happens.

If you do not love your enemy, You will sin against them, and in turn, against the Lord.

One does not need the ten commandments to realize this, It will just happen.

Thats the law of Love
 
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Zinzerio

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Those who profess Christianity are children of god THOSE WHO PROFESS its ok to not have a sabbath day have broke the lords commandment i have said to my self many time im ok with a Sunday sabbath but now i know that this Saturday what that means is you must keep this day free of sin and holy to the lord and worship , does this mean not to work on this day i don't know ?

there are many sins that a person can do but if he repents and does not do it again he is on the right track thats it God bless
 
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Zinzerio

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eternally-gratefull said:

that it totally not the point.

The law you speak of was given to PROVE our condemnation. it was a minister of death, because ALL do not obey every word is condemned.

So why would we want to go back to what can only condemn us, And not look to the spirit of love which uncondemned us?

It makes no sense.
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well i only spoke of the ten commandments when i spoke to you .

You know this, i know this, so your saying that the ten commandments condemns us at this moment in time i am praying for you and i just want also to say that what you should say is this ,, i want to follow the ten commandments with all my heart help me farther and then what you should never say is i don't want to break one of the commandments because when you think of breaking one of the commandments you may slip up but if you do slip then God has to look at you and see why you have slipped if it is something you are sad for and something you no longer wish to do then all i can say is this Matthew 9:5 4And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, "Why are you thinking evil in your hearts? 5"Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, and walk '? 6"But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins "-- then He said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home."…


And this

Jesus Delivers the Adulterous Woman
…10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" 11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."
 
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ZINZERIO said:
well i only spoke of the ten commandments when i spoke to you .

You know this, i know this, so your saying that the ten commandments condemns us at this moment in time
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Yes it does. for those who have not applied the blood of Christ to their sin by placing their faith in Christ. it does.

orr those who have applied the blood. It does not. And it never will again. This is what Paul says.

i am praying for you and i just want also to say that what you should say is this ,, i want to follow the ten commandments with all my heart help me farther and then what you should never say is i don't want to break one of the commandments because when you think of breaking one of the commandments you may slip up but if you do slip then God has to look at you and see why you have slipped if it is something you are sad for and something you no longer wish to do then all i can say is this Matthew 9:5 4And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, "Why are you thinking evil in your hearts? 5"Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, and walk '? 6"But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins "-- then He said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home."…


And this

Jesus Delivers the Adulterous Woman
…10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" 11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."
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Better yet.

Admit you can not keep the ten commandments no matter how hard you try. And start instead to follow the leading of God, Which is to love your neighbor, Your enemy, Your spouse, Your children Your co-workers. and anyone God brings into your life. And you will not have to worry about anything.

or focus on the law, And lie to yourself that you are a righteous person who is keeping the ten commands (as well as all the other commands) and be like the pharisees who can not even see the sin in their life.
 
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ZINZERIO said:
Those who profess Christianity are children of god THOSE WHO PROFESS its ok to not have a sabbath day have broke the lords commandment i have said to my self many time im ok with a Sunday sabbath but now i know that this Saturday what that means is you must keep this day free of sin and holy to the lord and worship , does this mean not to work on this day i don't know ?

there are many sins that a person can do but if he repents and does not do it again he is on the right track thats it God bless
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I agree with the Sabbath day to keep it holy, and that this commandment is not negated. There is a deeper meaning than a specific day however. GBU brother. You're good
 
peacefulbeliever

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16The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it. 17And it is easier for heaven and earth to pass, than one tittle of the law to fail.

ooops, guess that last line was a bit...inconvenient.
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Not inconvenient at all - the law is still the law - it was just fulfilled through and in Christ Jesus. Just because something is fulfilled doesn't negate that something - it is just no longer needed - it served the purpose for which it was written. The 10 commandments are a type of guideline for our lives and you can see where they are repeated in the church epistles - so have they been destroyed? Have they become void? We have a new and better covenant and the 10 have been combined into two commandments and the way I see it they are still there for our learning. We are to live peaceably among all men by loving God and loving others as we love ourselves. The ten commandments nor the Levitical law ever made it possible for us to have a personal relationship with God the Father and his Son, Jesus Christ.

And for those that still abide by the 10 commandments - I guess they serve some purpose - just remember our righteousness; righteousness to be obtained by good works - is as filthy rags.
 
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This is widely taught in all major seminaries. That speaks volume.
They had seminaries in the first century too.
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Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. :p
 
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well i only spoke of the ten commandments when i spoke to you .

You know this, i know this, so your saying that the ten commandments condemns us at this moment in time i am praying for you and i just want also to say that what you should say is this ,, i want to follow the ten commandments with all my heart help me farther and then what you should never say is i don't want to break one of the commandments because when you think of breaking one of the commandments you may slip up but if you do slip then God has to look at you and see why you have slipped if it is something you are sad for and something you no longer wish to do then all i can say is this Matthew 9:5 4And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, "Why are you thinking evil in your hearts? 5"Which is easier, to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up, and walk '? 6"But so that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins "-- then He said to the paralytic, "Get up, pick up your bed and go home."…


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Jesus Delivers the Adulterous Woman
…10Straightening up, Jesus said to her, "Woman, where are they? Did no one condemn you?" 11She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said, "I do not condemn you, either. Go. From now on sin no more."
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Keep it up brother. Some would certainly watch you very carefully whether you could obey the smallest letter and the least stroke of the law. They are eager to step all over you with their spiritual understanding.
If they truly know the spiritual law, they would not use the letter and stroke to judge.
The same then, the same now.
 
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Yes it does. for those who have not applied the blood of Christ to their sin by placing their faith in Christ. it does.

orr those who have applied the blood. It does not. And it never will again. This is what Paul says.



Better yet.

Admit you can not keep the ten commandments no matter how hard you try. And start instead to follow the leading of God, Which is to love your neighbor, Your enemy, Your spouse, Your children Your co-workers. and anyone God brings into your life. And you will not have to worry about anything.

or focus on the law, And lie to yourself that you are a righteous person who is keeping the ten commands (as well as all the other commands) and be like the pharisees who can not even see the sin in their life.
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I will admit that i can not do it alone but i will not admit that the farther can help[ to do it,

It is written in scripture that the farther can make you as white as snow and as you know the farther does not lie, This is not rocket science this is niether something you need to research this is something very simple and not something you should lose your mind.
If the sprit is with thee because you have asked the farther with all your heart to help you keep the commandment the between you and the farther you can do it , yes no ?

As for the two commandments you spoke about as i have already stated they are in the old testament too when jesus spoke these word he did not say here is a new commandment do not follow my old ones, he said if you love me you will keep my commandment, thats it God bless
 
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Keep it up brother. Some would certainly watch you very carefully whether you could obey the smallest letter and the least stroke of the law. They are eager to step all over you with their spiritual understanding.
If they truly know the spiritual law, they would not use the letter and stroke to judge.
The same then, the same now.
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On the contrary.

if people truly knew the letter, they would not continually want to go back to it. Because all it could do is condemn them.

People who want to go to it do not understand it, They could not. Because all it could do is judge them.

The law judges them, Not us..

if you do not feel judged by the law, and totally inadequate, then the law is not doing its job.
 
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Now when they saw the boldness of Peter and John, and perceived that they were unlearned and ignorant men, they marvelled; and they took knowledge of them, that they had been with Jesus. :p
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The boldness of Peter and John backed up by signs and wonders.
The signs and wonders today is we are blue in the face and we are still talking ;)
 
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I will admit that i can not do it alone but i will not admit that the farther can help[ to do it,

It is written in scripture that the farther can make you as white as snow and as you know the farther does not lie, This is not rocket science this is niether something you need to research this is something very simple and not something you should lose your mind.
If the sprit is with thee because you have asked the farther with all your heart to help you keep the commandment the between you and the farther you can do it , yes no ?

As for the two commandments you spoke about as i have already stated they are in the old testament too when jesus spoke these word he did not say here is a new commandment do not follow my old ones, he said if you love me you will keep my commandment, thats it God bless
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[SUP]37 [/SUP]Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’[SUP][d][/SUP] [SUP]38 [/SUP]This is the first and great commandment. [SUP]39 [/SUP]And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[SUP][e][/SUP] [SUP]40 [/SUP]On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.”

Can you explain what this means?
 
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Keep it up brother. Some would certainly watch you very carefully whether you could obey the smallest letter and the least stroke of the law. They are eager to step all over you with their spiritual understanding.
If they truly know the spiritual law, they would not use the letter and stroke to judge.
The same then, the same now.
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do not think i have come to judge or preach i have come to proclaim the truth
 
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The boldness of Peter and John backed up by signs and wonders.
The signs and wonders today is we are blue in the face and we are still talking ;)
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No doubt!! Just mention the law of God in a positive format, with high regard, and saying it is good for believers today, then look at what happens. The conversation tears apart the Word of God rather than edifying one another and putting it all together. I am convinced that those who want the law changed, or want it to vanish into the past, are truly scared of it. If God is love in the OT, He is also love in the NT. If He is graceful in the OT, why cannot some see that His law is not against His own grace?
 
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