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Logos is never the name of a God People. Logos is INCLUSIVE of SPEAKING and EXCLUSIVE of any function of clergy. You have to be aware of the Hebrew (Dabar), Greek and Latin literature to understand the range of meanings that John defined as HE (the man Jesus) SHALL speak what the One God the Father breathes (spirit) into Him. Early church history is devoid of anything beyond what the Campbells and the Restorers understand;
Father conceives or thinks
Father breaths (spirit)
Father articulates through the Son Who denies the conceiving process or the breathing process.
Humans in God's image have these three functions but they are NOT separate PEOPLE unless one is out of their mind. God, says the true trinitarians say that the ONE God always had his Wisdom and Word with Him. LOGOS is never the name of a PEOPLE: Paul Tillich noted that not before the 19th century did anyone dare call God a person. Whereas, he says, that would be heresy.
Father conceives or thinks
Father breaths (spirit)
Father articulates through the Son Who denies the conceiving process or the breathing process.
Humans in God's image have these three functions but they are NOT separate PEOPLE unless one is out of their mind. God, says the true trinitarians say that the ONE God always had his Wisdom and Word with Him. LOGOS is never the name of a PEOPLE: Paul Tillich noted that not before the 19th century did anyone dare call God a person. Whereas, he says, that would be heresy.
Logos is never the name of a God People. Logos is INCLUSIVE of SPEAKING and EXCLUSIVE of any function of clergy. You have to be aware of the Hebrew (Dabar), Greek and Latin literature to understand the range of meanings that John defined as HE (the man Jesus) SHALL speak what the One God the Father breathes (spirit) into Him. Early church history is devoid of anything beyond what the Campbells and the Restorers understand;
Father conceives or thinks
Father breaths (spirit)
Father articulates through the Son Who denies the conceiving process or the breathing process.
Humans in God's image have these three functions but they are NOT separate PEOPLE unless one is out of their mind. God, says the true trinitarians say that the ONE God always had his Wisdom and Word with Him. LOGOS is never the name of a PEOPLE: Paul Tillich noted that not before the 19th century did anyone dare call God a person. Whereas, he says, that would be heresy.
Father conceives or thinks
Father breaths (spirit)
Father articulates through the Son Who denies the conceiving process or the breathing process.
Humans in God's image have these three functions but they are NOT separate PEOPLE unless one is out of their mind. God, says the true trinitarians say that the ONE God always had his Wisdom and Word with Him. LOGOS is never the name of a PEOPLE: Paul Tillich noted that not before the 19th century did anyone dare call God a person. Whereas, he says, that would be heresy.
Spirit is never the name of a PERSON: Evil spirits are daemons
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[TD="width: 45%"]Pneuma (g4151) pnyoo'-mah;Literally: a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, by implication the vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, doemon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit: - ghost, life, mind. Comp. 5590.
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[TD="width: 45%"]Pneuma (g4151) pnyoo'-mah;Literally: a current of air, i.e. breath (blast) or a breeze; figuratively, a spirit, i.e. (human) the rational soul, by implication the vital principle, mental disposition, etc., or (superhuman) an angel, doemon, or (divine) God, Christ's spirit, the Holy Spirit: - ghost, life, mind. Comp. 5590.
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Spirit is never the name of a PERSON: Evil spirits are daemons
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John 1
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10[/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
revelations 1
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
john 20:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[SUP]29[/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
King James Version (KJV)
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]The same was in the beginning with God.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
[SUP]6 [/SUP]There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
[SUP]10[/SUP]He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not
[SUP]11 [/SUP]He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
[SUP]13 [/SUP]Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.
revelations 1
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
[SUP]6 [/SUP]And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
john 20:
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.
[SUP]28 [/SUP]And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
[SUP]29[/SUP]Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.
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I have posted a list of most of the ways LOGIKOS is used in the Greek text. This is speaking the LOGOS and has much the same meaning. Word or Logos is something you SPEAK. God IS the Logos or governing principle. God made Jesus of Nazareth to be the LORD or governor and He governs by speaking ONLY what he heard from the Father who breathed (spirit) into him as the same Spirit OF Christ breathed into the true prophets.
Click for some data on Logikos.. Many of these links may not work but I am trying to edit the Perseus resource to REAL historic scholars. The Bible does not use a language which needs to be explained by theologians. God never charges for His Word (Isaiah 55)
Click for some data on Logikos.. Many of these links may not work but I am trying to edit the Perseus resource to REAL historic scholars. The Bible does not use a language which needs to be explained by theologians. God never charges for His Word (Isaiah 55)
[h=3]Micah 5:2[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Not CREATED!! FROM EVERLASTING!
brothers and sisters be not deceived! Satan wants you to question the Deity of Christ. Satan wants to make him a creation. HE WAS NOT CREATED!! HE ALWAYS WAS ALWAYS IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE!! HE IS THE EVERLASTING FATHER AND THE AUTHOR OF LIFE!!
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting.
Not CREATED!! FROM EVERLASTING!
brothers and sisters be not deceived! Satan wants you to question the Deity of Christ. Satan wants to make him a creation. HE WAS NOT CREATED!! HE ALWAYS WAS ALWAYS IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE!! HE IS THE EVERLASTING FATHER AND THE AUTHOR OF LIFE!!
Being called or addressed as God does not say that Jesus WILL be God: God is Elohim and not Jehovah. There are MANY elohim but only ONE Jehovah. Jesus BECAME what He is called when the ONE GOD THE FATHER called him or named him as His Visible and Audible image.
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God [Theos] hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
both Lord and Christ.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
Acts 2:36 Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly,
that God [Theos] hath made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified,
both Lord and Christ.
1Timothy 2:5 For there is one God,
and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;
God is the creator. Did Jesus create the world? is He the author of life? is He worthy to be praised? THE BIBLE SAYS SO. Even the old testament says God would come in the flesh. In revelations He is ALMIGHTY and the bible is clear none can be worshiped but God and yet Jesus is worthy of ALL praise!
Jesus Christ has no beginning. He was not created He IS from everlasting. Who is I AM?
John 8:58
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]58 [/SUP]Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
(NOT I WAS>>> I AM!)
is that a claim to deity? the Jews sure thought so.. next verse.
[SUP]59 [/SUP]Then took they up stones to cast at him:
why? you ask?
because the Jews knew scripture like this.
Exodus 3:14
And God said unto Moses, I Am That I Am: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I Am hath sent me unto you.
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NO.
In fact we all do it and here is Jesus talking about how it is human nature to reason with self:
Luke 12:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
[SUP]21 [/SUP] So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
In fact we all do it and here is Jesus talking about how it is human nature to reason with self:
Luke 12:19-21 (KJV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] And I will say to my soul, Soul, thou hast much goods laid up for many years; take thine ease, eat, drink, and be merry.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But God said unto him, Thou fool, this night thy soul shall be required of thee: then whose shall those things be, which thou hast provided?
[SUP]21 [/SUP] So is he that layeth up treasure for himself, and is not rich toward God.
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*Note, this post is not meant to try to prove anything or push any viewpoint. This post is merely an in-depth question"
I've been studying some Greek since my discussion with Old Hermit. Logos is my current study word and it is used a lot of times in the NT and it doesn't always mean the same thing but it's not really confusing or subject to much interpretation as far as I have learned. The context pretty much defines how it reads. (Anyone correct me if I am wrong anywhere here, I'm new to seriously studying Greek terminology in depth) I've got some questions for anyone who wants to respond. I've arrived at somewhat of a Catch 22 situation here trying to understand both Unitarian and Trinitarian points of view concerning it.
Logos has a somewhat more versatile usage than the English "Word" because it is used in a lot of places for different things...although I'm not saying it's mistranslated at all in John 1. Based on my understanding, it could also be described as the expression of God's will, thoughts, plans, and intent (and many other things in other parts of the bible but these I listed seem to fit the context of John 1). Jesus certainly is a perfect representation of all these things. In John 17:17 it says:
"Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth"
I haven't looked at the Greek but I'm assuming the word "word" there is Logos.
Comparing this to John 14:6:
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
So Jesus says that God's word is truth, Jesus says he is the truth. So Jesus is literally God's "Logos" by this line of reasoning Got it, scriptural. But what I do not understand here is that in the entirety of scripture, if the Word is God....and Jesus is literally God himself.....why then does Jesus say in these three verses:
John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
*Side note here, this is one of the verses that prevented me from becoming a believer in the trinity. If they are co-equal, how can one be greater than the other? If anyone can answer this question for me please do, because I've tried to understand this and I can't accept the notion of Trinity as it is presented without this being explained*
Then we have John 12:50:
"And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
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John 14:10:
"[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
So far, considering how a Monotheist thinks and a Trinitarian thinks. You could make a case either way. That Jesus is not the Logos itself (Because the text never directly states this, it can only be inferred), and that the Logos is fully present within Jesus, given to him by God and dwells in him (Since it is translated as the word in English, and Jesus says the words he speak are not his own.....this can make sense from a monotheist point of view)....If The Word was God, and Jesus and God are one......obviously the word would be dwelling in Jesus here just as the Father does.
You could also say that Jesus is the Logos (Could even cite a verse in revelation to strengthen this claim) for obvious reasons. You could make a very strong case for this actually. I just don't see this harmonizing with the entirety of scripture the same way the monotheist viewpoint does.
Is there a stronger argument for Jesus actually BEING the Logos rather than being one WITH the Logos that I am not seeing?
I've been studying some Greek since my discussion with Old Hermit. Logos is my current study word and it is used a lot of times in the NT and it doesn't always mean the same thing but it's not really confusing or subject to much interpretation as far as I have learned. The context pretty much defines how it reads. (Anyone correct me if I am wrong anywhere here, I'm new to seriously studying Greek terminology in depth) I've got some questions for anyone who wants to respond. I've arrived at somewhat of a Catch 22 situation here trying to understand both Unitarian and Trinitarian points of view concerning it.
Logos has a somewhat more versatile usage than the English "Word" because it is used in a lot of places for different things...although I'm not saying it's mistranslated at all in John 1. Based on my understanding, it could also be described as the expression of God's will, thoughts, plans, and intent (and many other things in other parts of the bible but these I listed seem to fit the context of John 1). Jesus certainly is a perfect representation of all these things. In John 17:17 it says:
"Sanctify them through your truth: your word is truth"
I haven't looked at the Greek but I'm assuming the word "word" there is Logos.
Comparing this to John 14:6:
"Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me."
So Jesus says that God's word is truth, Jesus says he is the truth. So Jesus is literally God's "Logos" by this line of reasoning Got it, scriptural. But what I do not understand here is that in the entirety of scripture, if the Word is God....and Jesus is literally God himself.....why then does Jesus say in these three verses:
John 14:28
"Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said, I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."
*Side note here, this is one of the verses that prevented me from becoming a believer in the trinity. If they are co-equal, how can one be greater than the other? If anyone can answer this question for me please do, because I've tried to understand this and I can't accept the notion of Trinity as it is presented without this being explained*
Then we have John 12:50:
"And I know that his commandment is life everlasting: whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak.
"
John 14:10:
"[SUP]10 [/SUP]Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works."
So far, considering how a Monotheist thinks and a Trinitarian thinks. You could make a case either way. That Jesus is not the Logos itself (Because the text never directly states this, it can only be inferred), and that the Logos is fully present within Jesus, given to him by God and dwells in him (Since it is translated as the word in English, and Jesus says the words he speak are not his own.....this can make sense from a monotheist point of view)....If The Word was God, and Jesus and God are one......obviously the word would be dwelling in Jesus here just as the Father does.
You could also say that Jesus is the Logos (Could even cite a verse in revelation to strengthen this claim) for obvious reasons. You could make a very strong case for this actually. I just don't see this harmonizing with the entirety of scripture the same way the monotheist viewpoint does.
Is there a stronger argument for Jesus actually BEING the Logos rather than being one WITH the Logos that I am not seeing?
May I answer that for you. You will not be able to understand it at all without studying the Traditional Jewish Marriage Customs of two thousand years ago:
The Jewish Wedding Traditions that apply to Christ coming for His Bride the Church are as follows:
1. The man seeking a bride had to make a contract with the father, agreeing on the purchase price of the Bride, which was due the day after she accepted the Proposal. The price the Father demanded to Redeem us was a Holy Blood Sacrifice, and Christ paid the price purchasing the Church as His Bride.
1 Corinthians 6:20 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For you were bought at a price; therefore glorify God in your body and in your spirit, which are God's.
2. The wedding proposal was never verbal. The man seeking a Bride is invited to a family sit down supper, after making contract with the father. During the course of the meal the man would pour a cup of wine and passed it to his prospective Bride. If she drank from the cup she was accepting the proposal, and if she set it down without drinking, she was refusing the proposal. Jesus poured the cup and passed it to the Disciples the foundation of the Church. The Disciples drank from the betrothal cup accepting Jesus Christ as our Bridegroom. Just as in any Jewish Wedding Proposal, the Couple is known as Bride and Bridegroom throughout the Betrothal Period. ( Mat. 9:15 )
1 Corinthians 11:25 (NCV)
[SUP]25 [/SUP]In the same way, after they ate, Jesus took the cup. He said, “This cup is the new agreement that is sealed with the blood of my death. When you drink this, do it to remember me.“
3. The first thing that would take place after the Bride drank from the Cup, accepting the Marriage Proposal, is the Bridegroom would stand, look at his Bride, and say, “I go to prepare a place for you.” He would then leave the old dwelling place of the Bride, never to set foot in it again until after the Wedding Ceremony. According to the Jewish Wedding Traditions, he would go back home and begin to build a New Dwelling Place for his Bride either in or near his father’s home. Jesus said in:
John 12:2-3 (NASB)
2 In My Father's house are many dwelling places; if it were not so, I would have told you; for I go to prepare a place for you.
3 If I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself, that where I am, there you may be also.
That comes straight out of a Jewish Wedding Proposal.
4. So did they set the Date for the Wedding like we do? NO, because only the father of the Bridegroom had the right to periodically inspect the New Dwelling Place and giving additional instructions to his son to add this and that, make this better, etc. Finally without any advanced warning, the father would say to his son, frequently near midnight, “It is finished, go get your Bride.”
Hence, it is a reality in any Jewish Wedding that ONLY the Father knows when the Wedding will start; because it is ONLY the Father that can decide when the New Dwelling Place is FINISHED, including the Wedding Decorations, because the Wedding ALWAYS took place in the New Dwelling Place.
While the Son would go off to steal His Bride away like a Thief in the Night, the father would give orders to the servants to get ready to welcome the Wedding Guests. Where is our New Dwelling Place? The New City Jerusalem in Heaven and it is Decorated, adorned as you would a Bride, which eventually be lowered to the earth.
Revelation 21:2 (KJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
5. While it is true that NO ONE knew the day or hour that Wedding would begin, because only the father of the Bridegroom made that decision at the last minute; is was possible to see signs that the Time for the Wedding was NEAR. If the new dwelling place was outside the father’s house, the building itself was a visible sign of times, and/or by the products the servants were buying for their Master. When you saw them buying decorations for a Wedding you knew the time was near. At that time the Bride would gather her wedding party in her old dwelling place. They each would have to have a lantern with oil in because they new that the Jewish Wedding Traditions of 2000 years ago, dictated that the Bridegroom could come to call out his Bride late at night. We in a real sense are gathering the Wedding Party in our old dwelling place, “earth”, as we lead each new believer to receive Jesus as LORD. Sure we do not know the day or hour, but the signs of the times indicate that it is soon. Therefore we keep watch, expecting our Bridegroom to APPEAR in the clouds to call us out. And JUST LIKE the parable of ten virgins, ONLY those with oil in their lamps ( the Holy Spirit is the living oil in us ), get to go with the Bridegroom to the Wedding.
Mark 13:35 (NIV)
[SUP]35 [/SUP]"Therefore keep watch because you do not know when the owner of the house will come back--whether in the evening, or at midnight, or when the rooster crows, or at dawn.
6. When the father tells the son to go get his Bride, he still does NOT set foot in the old dwelling place of the Bride. He actually travels to the old dwelling place of the Bribe, but stops just outside of it and calls her out. The Bridegroom is not the one that calls out the Bride, but rather he chooses a member of his wedding party to SHOUT to wake her and her wedding guests, calling her out of the old dwelling place. And they join with the Bridegroom’s wedding party and together they travel to the new dwelling that the Bridegroom has personally built, for the Wedding Ceremony. Jesus has actually chosen the archangel already to SHOUT and call us out of our old dwelling place “earth”.
1 Thessalonians 4:16-18 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first.
[SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
[SUP]18 [/SUP]Therefore comfort one another with these words.
7. The wedding ceremony in the new dwelling place was not like our weddings of today. They actually lasted seven days. If the guests lived close by they would go home, but if the bridegroom lived far away from the old dwelling place of the Bride, then accommodations would be made in the father’s house for the wedding guests. Each morning the Wedding celebrations would continue, with the official Marriage Supper being saved for last. Then they would travel back to the old dwelling place of the Bride and the Bridegroom we set foot again in the old dwelling place of the Bride for the first time since the Bride had accepted his proposal.
Revelation 19:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then he said to me, "Write: 'Blessed are those who are called to the marriage supper of the Lamb!' " And he said to me, "These are the true sayings of God."