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why does Western thought have such a hard time understanding God having aspects and incarnations? is it the humanist basis of our earthly logic?

to a converted Hindu, the divinity of Jesus does not generate such arguments. i think we have some things to learn from our brothers in the East.

As bizarre as it may seem....even the younger generation, the one's into the superhero's, pokemon, D & D, shape-shifters etc, etc are actually willing to accept the concept of the incarnation of God, as they are already conditioned for the supernatural in the things that they already enjoy...
 
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A parable is how God HIDES from the clergy from the foundation of the World: The WISE or SOPHISTS are speakers, singers, instrument players or any CRAFTSMEN who sells the free water of the Word. You need to define LORD which is not a "god" word except for the pagan gots. And Christ which is anyone God has anointed to SPEAK HIS WORD as it has been taught. ALPHA is the first principle much like the MORPHE as being the form of God. Jesus was the FORM of the LOGOS.

No one says that the Bible has anything to say about a neo-trinity which does not understand the meaning. However, it was derived from Greek Philosophy. So that the false teachers use HERMES as their SON whereas Scripture says that there is ONE GOD THE FATHER and Jesus of Nazareth whom GOD MADE TO BE both Lord and Christ. STRIFE about polytheism is always a product of men who see godliness as a means of financial gain meaning OCCUPATION.

1Timothy 6:5 Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds,
and destitute of the truth,
supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw [derive them of power] thyself.

-conflictātĭo , I. a striking together, a collision, conflict, struggle: exercituum duorum, Gell 15, 18, 3;for a place in the theatre, Quint. 3, 8, 29 B. Of verbal strife, a dispute: “hominum,” Vulg. 1 Tim. 6, 5.—
-por-ismos A. providing, procuring,tōn epitēdeiōnPlb. 3.112.2; earning a living,
money-getting, Ep.Ti.6.6; means of livelihood,

-quaestus gaining, acquiring; gain, acquisition, profit, advantage, o bring gain, be turned to profit,
he could spend all the tithes offered to Hercules, every one looks to his own interest,
Of a prostitute (freq. and class.): corpore indignum quaestum facere
Of a parasite: “antiquom quaestum meum alimoniae servo,” Plaut. Pers. 1, 2, 1. —
2 Cor 2:17 For we are not as many, which corrupt the word of God: but as of sincerity, but as of God, in the sight of God speak we in Christ.
2 Cor 2:17 For we are not, as so many, peddling the word of God; but as of sincerity, but as from God, we speak in the sight of God in Christ.

-ka^pēl-euō , to be a retail-dealer, drive a petty trade, Hdt.1.155, 2.35, Isoc.2.1
(often with a further meaning of ‘cheating’) k. tēs hōras anthos or tēn hōran, of prostitutes,
Hdt.1.155 Heredotus: Cyrus told how to take the FIGHT out of the enemy: [4] But pardon the Lydians, and give them this command so that they not revolt or pose a danger to you: send and forbid them to possess weapons of war,
and order them to wear tunics under their cloaks
and knee-boots on their feet,
and to teach their sons lyre-playing [kitharizein]
and song [psallein]and dance
and shop-keeping [huckstering].
And quickly, O king,
you shall see them become womeninstead of men,
so that you need not fear them, that they might revolt."


1Timothy 6:6 But godliness with contentment is great gain.

SORRY, BUT I DON'T SELL ANYTHING.
 

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Jesus was a human. Jesus had a purpose from a Holy Spirit, to die to save us from our sins. The Spirit has stated that, that Jesus was a man. Things can be stretched many ways. For instance, God is the Father in Heaven, so Jesus would say his father is in Heaven, or his heavenly father. That can be stretched to "if God's the father in Heaven, wouldn't Jesus be a son? or stretch it to all of us are the father's children. Jesus wasn't God. Scripture is misleading at some points, very misleading. Possibly someone with the viewpoint of seeing Jesus do miracles and saying "oh he is God!". Harsh reality for Jesus, that he was going to die to save us from our sins, and the Spirit had him do it.
someone really should have told that to the high priest of the Jews, who had him executed for blasphemy, saying He claimed to be God.

it's not Scripture that's misleading. Satan is the father of lies and confusion.
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the light shined in the darkness..."
 

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He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words,
which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions,
and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth

(1 Timothy 6:4-5)

i am continually amazed at how the Truth is lost on you!

in the courtyard the children play and mock the blind beggar,
"tell me how many fingers i hold up!"​
but when their father finds them he takes them away by the hand, scolding them saying:
"do not add to their shame"
 
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I like when folks pull out the Greek. Were you there did you understand the slang? If I said something was groovy would Webster define that? Or if it was far out
 

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Jesus was a human. Jesus had a purpose from a Holy Spirit, to die to save us from our sins. The Spirit has stated that, that Jesus was a man. Things can be stretched many ways. For instance, God is the Father in Heaven, so Jesus would say his father is in Heaven, or his heavenly father. That can be stretched to "if God's the father in Heaven, wouldn't Jesus be a son? or stretch it to all of us are the father's children. Jesus wasn't God. Scripture is misleading at some points, very misleading. Possibly someone with the viewpoint of seeing Jesus do miracles and saying "oh he is God!". Harsh reality for Jesus, that he was going to die to save us from our sins, and the Spirit had him do it.

I see you are still in the dark, about the Deity of CHRIST.
 
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The Spirit OR Mind of Christ said:
There is ONE GOD THE FATHER. Therefore, A son of the father is NOT God
There is ONE mediator between Man and God, the MAN Christ Jesus. Therefore, the MAN Jesus Christ is NOT the ONE GOD THE FATHER.

Why would people work so hard to deny that Christ (Messiah) was in the FLESH when John identifies that as being antiChrist.

There is no historic trinitarian who ever named trinity God, Jesus and A holy spirit PEOPLE. OF is a preposition so the Spirit OF Christ is Christ's OWN mind.

Therefore, anyone who denies what is stated by the MIND of God is QUARRELING ABOUT WORDS.

WHAT IS QUARRELING about WORDS IN BLACK TEXT which I quote at risk?

zēt-ēsis
, eōs, , A.seeking, search for 3. inquiry, investigation, esp. of a philosophic nature,
inquire into the future by augury, Id.Phdr.244c

The Levites were SOOTHSAYER-Sorcerers using loud instrumental NOISE to drive away the evil gods (of the flies) and trying to attract good spirits or demons. They inspected the meat also.

Quarreling is also: III. Have to seek, feel the want of,hina zēteoien sitiaHdt.1.94; “NerōnaPlu.Galb.8:—Pass., “zētoumenos hois apeleipes

scĭo , scibitur, to split, divide; perceive; to have knowledge of or skill in any thing, Jesus called the Scribes or Doctors of the law hypocrites. In Ezekiel 33 Christ named speaking for pay, singing and playing instruments.

Plat. Phaedrus 244c otherwise they would not have connected the very word mania with the noblest of arts, that which foretells the future, by calling it the manic art. No, they gave this name thinking that mania, when it comes by gift of the gods, is a noble thing, but nowadays people call prophecy the mantic art, tastelessly inserting a T in the word. So also, when they gave a name to the investigation of the future which rational persons conduct through observation of birds and by other signs, since they furnish mind (nous)

PAUL WARNED ABOUT THE MAD PEOPLE IN CORINTH where their SPEAKING was gibberish or playing musical instruments as the FASTEST way to induce mania, ecstasy.

ma^ni^kos , ē, on, (mania) 2. frenzied, enthusiastic, inspired, “euphuous poiētikēestin ē manikouArist.Po.1455 a33; “existatai ta euphua genē eis -ōtera ēthēId.Rh.1390b29; “nosēmata m. kai enthousiastika
 
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I particularly like this part Ksublett

"PAUL WARNED ABOUT THE MAD PEOPLE IN CORINTH where their SPEAKING was gibberish or playing musical instruments as the FASTEST way to induce mania, ecstasy."

it reminds me of your posts.
 
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Paul also said not to forbid speaking in tongues do you forbid it?He also said I wish that you all spoke in tongues and said that I speak in tongues more than you all and then He sain I will pray with mine understanding and I will pray without my understanding. Defend as I know you will.
 
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Why do churches forbid speaking in tongues when Paul clearly say's not to do so?
 
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Paul also said not to forbid speaking in tongues do you forbid it?He also said I wish that you all spoke in tongues and said that I speak in tongues more than you all and then He sain I will pray with mine understanding and I will pray without my understanding. Defend as I know you will.

1 Corinthians 12
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
[SUP]9 [/SUP]To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
[SUP]10 [/SUP]To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
[SUP]11 [/SUP]But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.
 

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I particularly like this part Ksublett

"PAUL WARNED ABOUT THE MAD PEOPLE IN CORINTH where their SPEAKING was gibberish or playing musical instruments as the FASTEST way to induce mania, ecstasy."

it reminds me of your posts.
someone should set his posts to music. it'll drive the whole world mad!

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scratch that. i honestly can't recommend it and that was a pretty fool thing for me to say, sorry
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Why do churches forbid speaking in tongues when Paul clearly say's not to do so?

i've never seen a church that actually forbids speaking in tongues. Paul forbade it in assembly if there was no one to interpret, saying it was a sign for the unbelievers, not edification of the believers.

i'm not sure, but i *think* there are 5,000 other threads about speaking in tongues.. ?
 
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i've never seen a church that actually forbids speaking in tongues. Paul forbade it in assembly if there was no one to interpret, saying it was a sign for the unbelievers, not edification of the believers.

i'm not sure, but i *think* there are 5,000 other threads about speaking in tongues.. ?
You are correct

It is an on going debate on CC. Guess we got off on a tangent. Old school would say a rabbit trail.
 

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You are correct

It is an on going debate on CC. Guess we got off on a tangent. Old school would say a rabbit trail.
while we're at it we should argue about baptism and homosexuality. ;)
 
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Ksublett, sir, could you slow down and take a little more time to tie together your thoughts for those of us who have trouble following them? I would like to know what you are saying but as soon as I think I'm on the right track I become thwarted by, well. This



"zēt-ēsis, eōs, , A.seeking, search for 3. inquiry, investigation, esp. of a philosophic nature,
inquire into the future by augury, Id.Phdr.244c

The Levites were SOOTHSAYER-Sorcerers using loud instrumental NOISE to drive away the evil gods (of the flies) and trying to attract good spirits or demons. They inspected the meat also.

Quarreling is also: III. Have to seek, feel the want of,hina zēteoien sitiaHdt.1.94; “NerōnaPlu.Galb.8:—Pass., “zētoumenos hois apeleipes

scĭo , scibitur, to split, divide; perceive; to have knowledge of or skill in any thing, Jesus called the Scribes or Doctors of the law hypocrites. In Ezekiel 33 Christ named speaking for pay, singing and playing instruments.

Plat. Phaedrus 244c otherwise they would not have connected the very word mania with the noblest of arts, that which foretells the future, by calling it the manic art. No, they gave this name thinking that mania, when it comes by gift of the gods, is a noble thing, but nowadays people call prophecy the mantic art, tastelessly inserting a T in the word. So also, when they gave a name to the investigation of the future which rational persons conduct through observation of birds and by other signs, since they furnish mind (nous) "
 
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while we're at it we should argue about baptism and homosexuality. ;)
Homosexuality is a sin , no its an abomination. God destroyed a nation for it and if we continue to support it He will destroy our nation as well. Sexual sin is a pet peve of God and He will not tolerate it. Rest assured it coming and it aint gonna be good.
 
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Homosexuality is a sin , no its an abomination. God destroyed a nation for it and if we continue to support it He will destroy our nation as well. Sexual sin is a pet peve of God and He will not tolerate it. Rest assured it coming and it aint gonna be good.
oh its too late for our country anyway. It has taken a Bee line away from God. Hang on boys! its gonna be a ride!!
 

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Homosexuality is a sin , no its an abomination. God destroyed a nation for it and if we continue to support it He will destroy our nation as well. Sexual sin is a pet peve of God and He will not tolerate it. Rest assured it coming and it aint gonna be good.
Paul told us in Romans men and women are given over to it as a punishment to their degradation & shame.
what is really perverse is how it is becoming celebrated in the world. there is only so much of this God will suffer - as we live and breathe on the earth today, i shudder to think how much lower mankind will go before the cup is full.

nuts we were supposed to argue, but we agree :D