Why mankind exists...

[Jda016]

I find posts like these to be quite fascinating. People speaking with certainty around issue which are not even conjecture. I struggle to see why people quote genesis as an historical text when so many other texts which predate it tell similar or different stories, yet so often these are refuted as heretical or satanic. Take for instance the Babylonian Enuma Elish which written record which predates the authoring of genesis was discovered in Iraq in 1849.

How can people see truth is statements they have not explored in detail? It is the intellectual equivilent of the Salem whch trials. 'She's a Witch!' 'Really? How do you know?' Because she is casting a spell on me right now....(fake-faint)' 'Ah she must be a witch, Hang her!!'.

Please people. Do research these stories of the OT books and their origins before putting all your trust in them.

I often hear the Bible being compared to any other "mythological book" and people wonder why should they believe it over anything else.

The biggest reason is faith, but secondary it is the uniqueness of the Bible. Let us just look at one scripture to see something remarkable.


Ezekiel 37:21-22
and say to them, ‘This is what the Sovereign Lord says: I will take the Israelites out of the nations where they have gone. I will gather them from all around and bring them back into their own land. I will make them one nation in the land, on the mountains of Israel. There will be one king over all of them and they will never again be two nations or be divided into two kingdoms.


fulfilled 1948


several prophecies are spoken of in just this one passage, which was written over 2500 years ago.


Israel was scattered throughout the entire world due to their rebellion against God and God even foretold of their dispersion. This happened largely in 70AD when Rome destroyed Israel.


The Jews wander the world for 1900 years, which is pretty remarkable since there are no Assyrians, Babylonians, Edomites, Amalekites, and dozens of other nations/people groups that had their homes destroyed and were dispersed throughout the land, that still exist today (nor did these groups have writings prophesying their return to their land). Every people group was pretty much assimilated into others. The Jews are very unique in this perspective.


Then in 1948 they are made one nation again instead of being separated into Israel and Judah. They maintain the same name of Israel and get to be a nation again in the exact same spot as before and ruled over by one king (prime minister).

Such accuracy is quite remarkable to me and I would think even the staunchest atheist would have to concede this to be a pretty big 'coincidence.'

And that is just one of hundreds of verifiable prophecy.

If people really studied the Bible, they would see how unique it is among all other religious works.

 

[Bowman]

You are assuming Satan is an angel/fallen angel when in fact this is found no where in the Bible. Satan is not an angel, he lieks to pretend to be an angel, and the Bible describes this character satan (which means Adversary) as an animal.

Satan is a fallen angel....moreover, a fallen archangel.

The account of the fallen angels or fallen ones (meaning of Nephilim) happens well after That Old Serpent committed the very first sin of all time by lying to mankind and causing himself and mankind to be cursed and lose immortality.

No....but show us the scripture...

Lol you just accidentally got the two events mixed up most likely due to a common misinterpretation of the Lucifer Prophecy. That's okay like I said this actually a comon misinterpretation, thus why its so easy to dispel. To put it quickly, the Lucifer Prophecy is a prophecy against Babylon and Nebuchadnezzar. This prophecy is all ready fulfilled during the time of Daniel.

Show us the word 'Lucifer' in the Holy Bible...

EDIT: Also I am not totally sure and thus our purpose and my own in Creation is a great and excellent question worthy of ponderance that I too ponder. So far the most I know is before man fell it seems mankind was happy and good and made in God's image, so perhaps that was our purpose or part of the purpose at least.

Don't trash-talk my post unless you can posit something better...from prior discussion you are all about endless ramblings, and nothing more...

 

[Bowman]

Some angels seem to have their own physical bodies. How they differ from our physical bodies is another matter though. So I don't think it was necessary for humans to be around for them to occupy someone, especially since Satan could tempt Adam and Eve without having ever occupied them.

Now...you are talking about Satan possessing someone vs. his demons possessing someone.

In the NT, it was mainly demons possessing flesh.....animal and human flesh.....thus, it seems that flesh is an abode that they desire to occupy...

 

[Kerry]

We were created by His pleasure and no other reason.

 

[Bowman]

You are here because it pleased God to put you here. God doesn't have to give answers, or even explain anything.

But....why would it please God...?

Part of our design makeup is to question things...

 

[Kerry]

Our flesh questions
The Spirit is willing but the flesh is weak.

 

[Bowman]

I find posts like these to be quite fascinating. People speaking with certainty around issue which are not even conjecture. I struggle to see why people quote genesis as an historical text when so many other texts which predate it tell similar or different stories, yet so often these are refuted as heretical or satanic. Take for instance the Babylonian Enuma Elish which written record which predates the authoring of genesis was discovered in Iraq in 1849.

How can people see truth is statements they have not explored in detail? It is the intellectual equivilent of the Salem whch trials. 'She's a Witch!' 'Really? How do you know?' Because she is casting a spell on me right now....(fake-faint)' 'Ah she must be a witch, Hang her!!'.

Please people. Do research these stories of the OT books and their origins before putting all your trust in them.

The Gilgamesh gods, like those of the Enuma Elish, seem obvious human constructs. They manifest ignorance, weakness, fear, and other human foibles.

This difference and the obvious departure from scientific plausibility separate the Gilgamesh Epic from the Genesis Flood Account, which stand all the more distinctly alone. The Epic’s very existence, however, lends additional credence to the Genesis Account.

 

[Bowman]

We were created by His pleasure and no other reason.

What pleasure does God wish to obtain...?

Clearly, He desires worship from His creatures, yes?

The Holy Bible informs the reader that not all of His creatures worshipped Him....instead 1/3 of his created angels decided that following Satan was a better plan...

 

[Kerry]

Then you call it. I was created for His pleasure and God does what pleases Him. He does not do what pleases me. Cause if it were up to me. I would concrete Cuba and make it the worlds largest airfoce and naval base. That's why I am not God.

 

[Bowman]

hmm
Im not fan of christia teachings about angels (doesnt matter if fallen or not) and I dont really think that we should spare them extra focus, but it is kind of interesting what we have here... so

paul wrote on humans and angels matter following..

Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? 1cor6

well, so maybe it is our duty, which is waiting for us, to judge those fallen angels...
just thinking out loud here ...
I hope thou, that it will not be my duty....
be blessed

That's right....if we are to judge angels....which ones might they be...?

That's right...the fallen ones.....the demons!

Which gets back to my original post...as to our purpose in this life...

 

[Bowman]

Then you call it. I was created for His pleasure and God does what pleases Him. He does not do what pleases me. Cause if it were up to me. I would concrete Cuba and make it the worlds largest airfoce and naval base. That's why I am not God.

We know that God does not want any of us to perish....this must certainly include his created angels that rebelled against him before the Universe was created....I look at it like a second chance for them to redeem themselves...

 

[Kerry]

Bow, there is no grace for the fallen angels, There judgment has been prolonged as God has used them to be thorns in our flesh. At His return they will be dealt with.

 

[Bowman]

I saw what you wrote: Why mankind exists.
Below is what I believe our Father has been showing me.
It is very close to what you wrote.

Where Life came from
Why Life exists
Your purpose for being here
Why is there so much evil here
· God created everything
· His first Creation was one Begotten Son; other creations followed.

The Son was not created, according to scripture.

 

[Bowman]

Bow, there is no grace for the fallen angels, There judgment has been prolonged as God has used them to be thorns in our flesh. At His return they will be dealt with.

If fallen angels can occupy human flesh, as they did in the NT times, then why not?

 

[Kerry]

If fallen angels can occupy human flesh, as they did in the NT times, then why not?

Keep studying Fallen angels cannot inhabit humans. That is the work of Demons. but wait where do they come from. study brother study.

 

[Apostol2013]

I’m an OEC, and subscribe to the ‘day/age’ position, as this has far and away the most evidence going for it. Not evolution, but fiat creation by God, over billions of years.

It is my belief that the angels were created before time as we know it existed. It is also my belief that there are three archangels: Michael, Gabriel and Satan – each having command over a third of the angels in Heaven.

As the Bible details to us, Satan was created to live in Spiritual Paradise (Heaven) until he sinned against God, then he was cast out with his third of the angels following him (fallen angels – demons).

Satan was cast to the earth and was allowed to enter Physical Paradise (Eden) – in which he once again was allowed to cause man to sin. Satan was the first spiritual creature to sin – then man was the first physical creature to sin – which set in motion the whole purpose for humanity to ‘multiply and fill the earth’.

The most likely scenario is that the entire Universe was created to provide an opportunity for redemption of these fallen angels, as a place to occupy flesh until their number is fulfilled. When their number is fulfilled, (i.e. the third) then God’s purpose for this Universe will have been completed.

As Revelation details to us, it’s a matter of riding the right horse….you can either ride the demon horse, or you can ride Jesus’ horse.

Our earthly experience is merely a physical consequence of the spiritual cause which occurred in Heaven.

Thus….I feel that we owe our whole existence to the original fall of Satan and his angels. Without this fall, we would not have even needed to be born.

Comments?

We owe our entire existence to Jesus for we were created for his holy purpose .

 

[Bowman]

Keep studying Fallen angels cannot inhabit humans. That is the work of Demons. but wait where do they come from. study brother study.

Demons ARE fallen angels.

 

[Bowman]

Bump........

 

[GrandHoboMaster]

I would point to another major goal of creation, - we exist for sake of Him.

The way how angel cognize God is not perfect.

So through creation of physical universe and humankind God prepared the best of of direct unfolding of Himself, through Jesus Christ.

One of the humans was gained direct contact with a Word through becoming a mother of a real God.
Another was chosen to be His beloved disciples.

And all we (and even angels) had got a chance to cognize God through His Own personal carnated in humans body Deity.

We were made because of Him, through Him and in His alikeness.

 

[Bowman]

I would point to another major goal of creation, - we exist for sake of Him.

The way how angel cognize God is not perfect.

So through creation of physical universe and humankind God prepared the best of of direct unfolding of Himself, through Jesus Christ.

One of the humans was gained direct contact with a Word through becoming a mother of a real God.
Another was chosen to be His beloved disciples.

And all we (and even angels) had got a chance to cognize God through His Own personal carnated in humans body Deity.

We were made because of Him, through Him and in His alikeness.

Do you have any scripture to go along with your thoughts, brother...?