Catholic Heresy (for the record)

[ivanc0]

Mary is the mother of the human, the man, Jesus. Anyone claiming there is a mother of God denies Him, for He has no beginning and no end. He was not God when He was born, though He may have already been filled with the Holy Spirit. He was not in His glorified Body until 40 days after His resurrection when He ascended to His Throne.........Mary was a sinner just as are all born in the flesh, except our Salvation, Jesus. To say God has a mother is apostasy.

Tell that to Jesus, when you see him. OK!

I would not dare, to try to say I know exactly how Jesus thinks of the woman who was His mother in Belen.

Be careful...very careful , Thinking you exactly know how Jesus thinks.

But I read in the Bible a prophesy of Mary, saying, that future generations will call her blessed your are.

When you have said that in your mouths?

 

[ivanc0]

I could debate with you all morning, but I won't...

Jesus was fully man and fully God. Mary is the mother of His humanity, not His divinity; this right here means she's not the mother of God.

How could you know what , who, what kind of power etc Jesus had, He was God, so to understand his humanity and divinity you will have to be in his being.
I will not dare to think I know How Jesus though, specially of his mother on earth.

Do you respect your mother?, be careful not to offend the Mother of Jesus.

I will Just say in this respect. Lord whatever is your will...so be.... and to fulfill the prophecy in the bible I say "Bless you are Mary mother of Jesus"

 

[eternally-gratefull]

How could you know what , who, what kind of power etc Jesus had, He was God, so to understand his humanity and divinity you will have to be in his being.
I will not dare to think I know How Jesus though, specially of his mother on earth.

Do you respect your mother?, be careful not to offend the Mother of Jesus.

I will Just say in this respect. Lord whatever is your will...so be.... and to fulfill the prophecy in the bible I say "Bless you are Mary mother of Jesus"

God did bless mary

He Allowed he the opportunity and blessing to give birth to the savior of mankind

He gave her a wonderful husband

He blessed her husband and her with a satisfying fulfilling monogamous sex life. and blessed her with many children.

What more could a woman of her time ask for??

 

[JaumeJ]

What you seem to care to warn about is exactly what you are doing. Who did Jesus say His mother is? He said whoever does the will of His Father is His mother, His brother, His sister etc.

I know this because of the Holy Spirit which witnesses to it for all who believe the Son of the Most High God. I should have known you were a sectarian by your many other odd posts.

I suppose I should be careful because you know the mind of God?

Tell that to Jesus, when you see him. OK!

I would not dare, to try to say I know exactly how Jesus thinks of the woman who was His mother in Belen.

Be careful...very careful , Thinking you exactly know how Jesus thinks.

But I read in the Bible a prophesy of Mary, saying, that future generations will call her blessed your are.

When you have said that in your mouths?

 

[JaumeJ]

Just an additional note about the Word of God, Yahweh, and Mary.

I realize Catholics are not encouraged to actually read the Word, that is the Bible, but if you dare to take the plunge, you will find in the first part of John Chapter 1 that Jesus is the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. Mary was not present. He was born to Mary to be human like you and I. Being in our condition we esteem Him for overcoming sin, death and eternal punishment, providing we believe Him. Believe Him; Mary is the mother of the Son of Man, Jesus, but not the mother of God........this concept is contrary to the holy writings and it is apostasy.

Mary does not work miracles, nor does she hear prayers. She would be the first to condemn such thinking. I am sorry if certain well learned scholars of the Catholic Church who know better continue teaching these lies to the masses in order to maintain control of them. Those who are so educated should know better, but they continue teaching error. God have mercy on them.

 

[Jackson123]

Catholic believe Mary is Queen of heaven. I heard Constantine the Cesar of Rome force all citizen of Rome to be Catholic, He himself not a Catholic til the last day of his life.

There are some fact to consider before analyzed why Constantine, the leader of pagan religion, obligated his people to be catholic?

1.In his religion believe system, they worship Isis as Queen of heaven.

2. He him self Pontifex Maximus or the High Pries of pagan religion
Here I Google what is Constantine status in his religion.

Title "Pontifex Maximus" or "Supreme Pontiff"

<< One of the most amazing aspects about the ascendancy of the papacy is that the church of Rome promotes the pope as the "Pontifex Maximus" or, Supreme Pontiff. The title Pontifex Maximus is mentioned numerous times by the early church fathers (particularly by Tertullian), but it was not applied to a Christian bishop. The early church fathers say that the Pontifex Maximus was the "King of Heathendom", the evil high priest of the pagan mystery religion of Rome. It is certainly not likely that Christ appointed Peter "Pontifex Maximus" of Rome. >>
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Of course Christ didn't appoint Peter to be the Pontifex Maximus. And of course the early Church Fathers spoke of the Pontifex Maximus in such derogatory, paganistic ways. Because when the early Fathers were writing, the Pontifex Maximus was the head of the Roman pagan religion, and the Roman Empire itself was pagan. As any student of Roman history knows, the Pontifex Maximus was an imperial office, usually held by the Emperor himself, which made one the "chief priest" of the Roman "state cult."

Imagine Your Pastor Leader let say the leader of First Babtis Church in America obligate every member of his Church to convert to Islam.

Must be some thing .

This is smart move, He make catholic as mandatory because ...........of what?

Because he change or modify catholic to his pagan religion.

He teach catholic to worship mary as queen of heaven.

Like we buy a banana in the box.

The box say this is banana from mexico.

When we open, what is inside?

It a rock, not banana.

You can name any believe system as Christian, Devil doesn't care as long as the teaching is not Jesus teaching.


This is not hatred.

Hatred mean you know your brothers and sister on the way to hell and you don't even bother to remind them.

 

[ivanc0]

What you seem to care to warn about is exactly what you are doing. Who did Jesus say His mother is? He said whoever does the will of His Father is His mother, His brother, His sister etc.

I know this because of the Holy Spirit which witnesses to it for all who believe the Son of the Most High God. I should have known you were a sectarian by your many other odd posts.

I suppose I should be careful because you know the mind of God?

.....Hummm. could a Person without a denomination be a sectarian?.....I am actually thinking outside all religions.

But I am not arguing with you, Just your Ideas, it say in the NT "with the same measurement you have measured you will be judged,.... think about that"

 

[dcontroversal]

I agree for real!

 

[JaumeJ]

You are outside the box, outside the Word that is. May God bless you to understand His Word as from Him, and not from flesh, amen.............

.....Hummm. could a Person without a denomination be a sectarian?.....I am actually thinking outside all religions.

But I am not arguing with you, Just your Ideas, it say in the NT "with the same measurement you have measured you will be judged,.... think about that"

 

[youngvessel]

People post the most unseemly notions, and then our dander is up, and lo, we begin to debate, however the original post on this thread says it all, so I am out of here. If anyone wants to delve into what I may think, please read the original post..

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To new this site but not to the faith of Jesus Christ. And I am understand what you talking about brother...

 

[nw2u]

I don't know if I understand the anger and I don't want to cause more. I just wanted to present some sort of actual..........teaching? I'm not sure of the right word. This is for clarity only, not for inciting anger.

Why Catholics Believe in the Immaculate Conception

 

[ivanc0]

You are outside the box, outside the Word that is. May God bless you to understand His Word as from Him, and not from flesh, amen.............

Originally Posted by ivanc0

.....Hummm. could a Person without a denomination be a sectarian?.....I am actually thinking outside all religions.

But I am not arguing with you, Just your Ideas, it say in the NT "with the same measurement you have measured you will be judged,.... think about that"




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Thanks....for you example of "loving Christian".
But what I am really happy is that I am out of your doctrine.

 

[JaumeJ]

You are most welcome. If you need to know more about what I believe, read the Word as given by God. You will never go wrong there. Listening to self-appointed authorities who make things up from outside the Word. Always remember, Jesus is the Master; this means He is the Teacher. Learn from Him for His yoke is easy, His burden is light.

Also bear in mind, sometimes love is saying no, even though a yes is requested.

 

[youngvessel]

People post the most unseemly notions, and then our dander is up, and lo, we begin to debate, however the original post on this thread says it all, so I am out of here. If anyone wants to delve into what I may think, please read the original post..

Understood i am not a debater of faith but i do defend my belief as a christian and from viewing this site i see some real determined and serious christians who know what they believe, its like youth group all over again... but I do hope we could share faith and reason than debate scripture or points... put your point across once you feel God is leading that way though.... who am i to decide what God has personally imputed in your life... bless up my sister and brother in the faith

 

[RoboOp]

For the Record, I know several born again Catholics, and two of them are Priests. For the Record, if you dig into the Catholic Catechism, you will find within that Catechism the exact same Main Doctrinal Statements of Faith as the Baptists or any other Mainline Denomination. For the Record, one of those born again Priests admitted to me, "We have done a poor job of teaching those Doctrines from the Pulpit." For the Record, CHRIST recognized Seven distinctly different types of Churches in the first three chapters of Revelation; WHO ARE WE TO RECOGNIZE LESS?

And for the Record, I have never been a Catholic, but if I was forced to label myself, I would have to call myself a strongly conservative, non-denominational Evangelical.

What if I showed you the most blatant heresy (basically the same stuff I mentioned in my original post -- heresy that sends people to hell) -- straight from the horse's mouth? What if I can give you a link to it all -- in their own words -- straight from the Vatican, from their own official, current publication? The official, Vatican.va website? It is indeed truly the Vatican authoritative website, with the official doctrines of the Vatican (i.e., the Pope and the official Catholic church). If I show you where they themselves publish this shocking, blatant heresy, specifically to represent their own core doctrines -- will you believe that they (the officially recognized Catholic Church) really do believe and teach these blatant heresies that send people to hell?

If not, I won't bother

But if you will, and if that will settle it, then I'll show you.

I mean, when I make a post here, you assume that I really believe what I posted right? I mean, the whole reason you're engaging me now is because you actually believe that I say/said all the things you read in my post. And rightly so. Yes, it's really me, and yes I posted all that coz yes I speak/say/believe all that. You wouldn't be in denial that RoboOp actually says/said exactly what he said. Now, if I can show you what is publicly posted by the official Vatican (the official Roman Catholic headquarters), on their official authoritative source (their own website), will you acknowledge that yes, they actually do say/teach/believe/promote these damnable heresies?

Anyway, for the record, yes I also know "born again Catholics" whom I believe will be in heaven with me, not because they follow the main teachings of the Catholic Church but because they reject the main teachings of the Catholic Church -- they strip away the poison and just put their faith and trust in Jesus alone as savior, mediator, sinless, etc.

 

[newbirth]

You must be speaking of a different catholic chat. I went there as a catholic in this very room asked me to because I questioned "gates of hell" Even while I was there. I had a few call me a basher. and a few say I was sincere. Then I woke up the next morning. and BANNED as a catholic hater. I never did figure out of the ones I was having and apparent opened minded discussion with answered me, or were playing me and banned me.

Here's the problem. and I am being sincere and not bashing anyone.

1. The eucharistic communion OFFENDS ME, My God died once to save mankind, he paid the penatly for ALL sin as John said he would. and to sacrifice him weekly over and over, and still not be assured of eternal life is offensive!

2. Your sacramental works based Gospel offends me. It mocks of my saviors death, and says mankind must be part of the solution.

3. Holding mary as the "mother of God" is a major offense to me, it wreaks of paganism and holds mary as equal to Christ.

4. Saying only certain men have been given infallible interpretation offends me. It says the Holy Soirit, who was given to me is not powerful enough to teach me anything.

5. Saying one can lose a grace gift given by God offends me, It says I can somehow earn my gift. which means it was no gift at all, but a trick by God to get us to do his will.

I could go on and on, but you get the point. You should also see that of these things MANY churches hold to these doctrines. So it is not just an anti catholic thing, it would be anti all the churches which hold to these doctrines. But it is not even that, it is just my belief. I am not bashing anyone, which brings me to the most heinous of all crimes

If I come in and preach my belief on these and other doctrines. I am called a catholic hater or basher. Yet, If you come in here offending me with your doctrines, it is perfectly fine, You are not a hater or basher of me. Thus we come to this conclusion.

We are not to offend you in any way, and hare dare we think we have the right to speak our own personal beliefs, but you are perfectly fine to offend us any way you want, and how dare we question you when you do offend us.

This is the most hypocritical, arrogant pride filled stuff I have seen from any church (except for maybe the boston church of Christ, who I witnessed beat people to a pulp who left their church, (Oh wait, your church executed many thousands who believed as I do) )

It is no wonder your church is so hated, it is not for your doctrines, your doctrines are not church specific, many others follow them, it is for your hypocrisy, your pride and your arrogance!

I share your passion my friend but we are not judges yet so in the mean time Christ died to save all mankind and who is to say that some day a catholic will repent and turn to the true and living God, So let us try to do all things with love and humility that God will be honoured.

 

[JaumeJ]

Although I cannot choose among the myriad of theologies under the umbrella of the name Christian, I do not for a moment believe all who are within all theologies are going to burn in hell. I keep in mind that God, Yahweh, will justify the ungodly. I realize this points to all repented sinners, but I also keep in mind, He may be referring to a whole other type of people also. Another warning against judging others is when we read and learn that some pagans have the truth inscribed on the tablets of their hearts with their own consciences accusing and excusing them as they act, another clear warning about judging others.

We are commanded, however, to judge for ourselves what is right, and I judge the pagan techings of the Catholic church as apostasy, pure and simple, and those who enjoy a high education in the structure of that theology do not have much of an excuse in continuing to teach as truth what that theology purports as from God.......

I share your passion my friend but we are not judges yet so in the mean time Christ died to save all mankind and who is to say that some day a catholic will repent and turn to the true and living God, So let us try to do all things with love and humility that God will be honoured.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

I share your passion my friend but we are not judges yet so in the mean time Christ died to save all mankind and who is to say that some day a catholic will repent and turn to the true and living God, So let us try to do all things with love and humility that God will be honoured.

I agree with everything you said, But that was not my point.

My point was anyone who says their beliefs, they claim it is anti-catholic. and offends them. I was showing their own doctrines offend us. Yet we are not aloud to say anything. or again, we are attacking them.

I was showing their hypocrisy.

 

[JaumeJ]

It may be a good idea for all to meditate on whether or not they offend everyone with their own doctrines. I can say in all honesty, my only source Authority is the Word as given me to understand. I share what I am given, but I never expect everyone to agree with me, even when they are offensive and ignorant.

I agree with everything you said, But that was not my point.

My point was anyone who says their beliefs, they claim it is anti-catholic. and offends them. I was showing their own doctrines offend us. Yet we are not aloud to say anything. or again, we are attacking them.

I was showing their hypocrisy.

 

[know1]

We Catholics are Christians.

If you made Jesus lord of your life and believe that God the Father raised Him from the dead, then yes, your faith in Christ is attributed to you for righteousness, and you are Christians too. But if you are trusting in Mary for your salvation, then as the OP pointed out, there is salvation in no other name and no one can come to the Father, but by and through Jesus, who is Christ. Mary is not the Christ/Messiah/Savior of the world, nor did she suffer and die for us, nor is she the mediator between God and man, Jesus is!