AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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we see and fear thees things when there written because a lot all thees things a child of god is would be fearful of doing, Not only that the very reason why most people come to lord is for forgiveness.
Its like being sent off in a football match for a bad foul in the world cup and your good names gets completely trashed there after for everyone to see. But i do agree with yo that these thing are not for a child of God to know longer worry about.
Everthing is in the fathers Hands nothing and no one can harm a child of God for very long, like my football team we get kicked we get putdown but we get back up.
Its like being sent off in a football match for a bad foul in the world cup and your good names gets completely trashed there after for everyone to see. But i do agree with yo that these thing are not for a child of God to know longer worry about.
Everthing is in the fathers Hands nothing and no one can harm a child of God for very long, like my football team we get kicked we get putdown but we get back up.
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As a man I am so thankfull God has placed into my life to help disciple me once said.
All they can take is my physical life. They can't take my eternity. This life is but a blink of an eye when it is compared to eternity. a million years from now. I probably will not even remember how I did, or how much pain I was in, I will still be sharing the Joy of being with my Lord.
All they can take is my physical life. They can't take my eternity. This life is but a blink of an eye when it is compared to eternity. a million years from now. I probably will not even remember how I did, or how much pain I was in, I will still be sharing the Joy of being with my Lord.
[h=3]Hebrews 5:11-13[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Of whom we have many things to say, and hard to be uttered, seeing ye are dull of hearing.
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For when for the time ye ought to be teachers, ye have need that one teach you again which be the first principles of the oracles of God; and are become such as have need of milk, and not of strong meat.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.
It isn't enough for the coach to just tell you what to do, you have to do it, you have to make sure you know how to implement what He is telling you to do. You have to practice, so to speak.
Our coach (God, the Holy Spirit) has told us what to do, and how to do it. But that doesn't mean we automatically do it. We have to do what he says, practically.
Our coach (God, the Holy Spirit) has told us what to do, and how to do it. But that doesn't mean we automatically do it. We have to do what he says, practically.
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Ok...I believe I am hearing what you're saying.
Can I ask one more thing...
If God said it...should he have to differentiate what he said as a law and what is a command?
Or seeing as he is our Shepherd, Lord, Guide, wonderful counselor and savior.
Is simply the fact that God said something enough.
Can I ask one more thing...
If God said it...should he have to differentiate what he said as a law and what is a command?
Or seeing as he is our Shepherd, Lord, Guide, wonderful counselor and savior.
Is simply the fact that God said something enough.
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true.
But to me the law is like trying not to fumble.
If I concentrate on not doing the things I am not supposed to do. As we showed. We will fail.
Instead we should listen to the instructions of God which show us how to live the life he wants,
Love your nieghbor, Your spouse, your children, the rest of your family, Your parents, Your enemy, Assemble together, Teach each other, Serve each other, Give the world the good news of Christ, Study to show yourself approved, Trsut god that the tribulation and suffering you have to endure is for his good please (he can use it to affect others, and yourself) etc etc etc.
But to me the law is like trying not to fumble.
If I concentrate on not doing the things I am not supposed to do. As we showed. We will fail.
Instead we should listen to the instructions of God which show us how to live the life he wants,
Love your nieghbor, Your spouse, your children, the rest of your family, Your parents, Your enemy, Assemble together, Teach each other, Serve each other, Give the world the good news of Christ, Study to show yourself approved, Trsut god that the tribulation and suffering you have to endure is for his good please (he can use it to affect others, and yourself) etc etc etc.
Yep, I see it in the two - Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. You write as if you think we just live riotous, ungodly lives because we believe that the law has fulfilled it's purpose. I have driven back to Burger King to return money because the clerk gave me too much change and I knew that it would mess up her cash register and she would be in trouble and could even loose her job. I found money on the parking lot of Target and turned it into the service desk (boy were they surprised!) Turned out it belonged to a little girl who had dropped in on her way in and the reason I know that I heard her talking to her mom and I had the pleasure of going to them and telling them I turned it into the service desk. (I don't say this in a bragging manner but as an example) I didn't need "A LAW" to tell me what to do - because the love of God is shed abroad in my heart by the holy Spirit which was given to me. Whatever I need - wherever I am - whatever I am doing - the holy Spirit is right there - leading me, guiding me, bringing things to my remembrance so that I can do what is right. Is this ALL the time? Nope . . .
Deu 8:1 "Every commandment which I command you today you must be careful to observe, that you may live and multiply, and go in and possess the land of which the LORD swore to your fathers.
Deu 8:2 And you shall remember that the LORD your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not.
Deu 8:3 So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD.
Deu 30:15 "See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil,
Deu 30:16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess.
Now would anyone here dare to argue the promised land was not a type of the Kingdom of God?
Deu 8:2 And you shall remember that the LORD your God led you all the way these forty years in the wilderness, to humble you and test you, to know what was in your heart, whether you would keep His commandments or not.
Deu 8:3 So He humbled you, allowed you to hunger, and fed you with manna which you did not know nor did your fathers know, that He might make you know that man shall not live by bread alone; but man lives by every word that proceeds from the mouth of the LORD.
Deu 30:15 "See, I have set before you today life and good, death and evil,
Deu 30:16 in that I command you today to love the LORD your God, to walk in His ways, and to keep His commandments, His statutes, and His judgments, that you may live and multiply; and the LORD your God will bless you in the land which you go to possess.
Now would anyone here dare to argue the promised land was not a type of the Kingdom of God?
This is exactly where you need to use discernment on who keeps the law and who doesn't.
The Law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Teach the Law the way the Lord Jesus did in Matthew 5. Magnify the Law and His paraphrase of what the Law says; Be Perfect Like your Father in Heaven is Perfect.
Do NOT do what the Jews did, and what you attempt to do, and diminish the law. Don't get offended, please, just stay with me. You say that the Law is not meant to be Kept Perfectly. That's what the Jews think too. They think if they do their best the Lord will "make up" the difference. You're getting as close to perfect as you are able. What more can He ask?
You already know that you aren't made perfect by the Law. At least that is what you claim. So what other source can you look to to "keep" the Lord Jesus' command of being perfect like our Father in Heaven is Perfect? You already know that the Law is Holy and Perfect and Good and you are not. You can't stand before the Law and say you are perfect before it.
Yay! You're starting to understand! You need a Saviour. You need someone with more strength and power than what you possess. You need someone who perfects you. Someone who shapes and molds you in the areas you are blind to.
But if you are busy thinking you must still perform the law, by your own carnal understanding and not according to TRUTH, then you miss out on the work that is done in you by faith.
There is an aspect of un-belief in a person who goes back to their carnal understanding of what they think is "keeping" the law and what isn't. A falling from grace.
If we don't trust our flesh and carnal understanding what would this look like? It would look like we are not resting on saturdays, we are not "keeping" ourselves from unclean "foods", etc. It would look to the outside world like we have perfect Liberty in all things. That is because a true Christian who has come to Christ does have perfect Liberty. They know that they are not perfected by their carnal understanding and will at keeping His Spiritual Law by the actions of their flesh. People who have come to Christ are perfected by the Lord Jesus Christ and what He performs in the believers life.
There is nothing incorrect about your understanding of the law, really. Your misunderstanding is how it is kept. You don't have any power to Keep His Perfect Law. And that is the discernment I was talking about on who keeps the law and who doesn't. Those who profess they "keep" His Law still lack one thing...
Romans 10:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.
The Law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ. Teach the Law the way the Lord Jesus did in Matthew 5. Magnify the Law and His paraphrase of what the Law says; Be Perfect Like your Father in Heaven is Perfect.
Do NOT do what the Jews did, and what you attempt to do, and diminish the law. Don't get offended, please, just stay with me. You say that the Law is not meant to be Kept Perfectly. That's what the Jews think too. They think if they do their best the Lord will "make up" the difference. You're getting as close to perfect as you are able. What more can He ask?
You already know that you aren't made perfect by the Law. At least that is what you claim. So what other source can you look to to "keep" the Lord Jesus' command of being perfect like our Father in Heaven is Perfect? You already know that the Law is Holy and Perfect and Good and you are not. You can't stand before the Law and say you are perfect before it.
Yay! You're starting to understand! You need a Saviour. You need someone with more strength and power than what you possess. You need someone who perfects you. Someone who shapes and molds you in the areas you are blind to.
But if you are busy thinking you must still perform the law, by your own carnal understanding and not according to TRUTH, then you miss out on the work that is done in you by faith.
There is an aspect of un-belief in a person who goes back to their carnal understanding of what they think is "keeping" the law and what isn't. A falling from grace.
If we don't trust our flesh and carnal understanding what would this look like? It would look like we are not resting on saturdays, we are not "keeping" ourselves from unclean "foods", etc. It would look to the outside world like we have perfect Liberty in all things. That is because a true Christian who has come to Christ does have perfect Liberty. They know that they are not perfected by their carnal understanding and will at keeping His Spiritual Law by the actions of their flesh. People who have come to Christ are perfected by the Lord Jesus Christ and what He performs in the believers life.
There is nothing incorrect about your understanding of the law, really. Your misunderstanding is how it is kept. You don't have any power to Keep His Perfect Law. And that is the discernment I was talking about on who keeps the law and who doesn't. Those who profess they "keep" His Law still lack one thing...
Romans 10:2-4
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.