Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship?

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What is really ironic to me is how some people will be against musical instruments in church, but do not think church should obey what is actually commanded.

I Corinthians 11 and 14 are the two passages that actually give us any lengthy commands on what to do in church. Chapter 11 is about the Lord's Supper. Chapter 14 verse 26 and onward tell us what to do in church.

Paul says, when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. And he commands, "Let all things be done unto edifying."

How many people are comfortable with one preacher, with only clergy speaking, week after week, when the Bible's instructions are that 'every one of you' be allowed to do such things unto edifying. How many people would forbid a tongue and an interpretation or the sharing of a revelation in the form of a prophecy, but would insist that no musical instruments be used? The verse does allow for a psalm, and etymologically, the word for psalm has to do with musical instruments. Historically, many, at least, many psalms were accompanied by musical instruments.

The passage continues on to say that ye may all prophesy one by one. Paul had written that if a revelation comes to one sitting by, the speaking prophet was to hold his peace. How many churches that are adamant against the use of instruments follow these instructions? How many would violate Paul's directive 'forbid not to speak with tongues' even in situations where the tongue is interpreted according to scripture?

Instead of following the actual commandments of the Lord for church meetings, we see people getting all upset over people doing what is not specifically commanded in scripture. The rule for the church, however, is let all things be done unto edifying.

And why do so many churches that oppose instruments allow for congregational singing? Is there any reason 'speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs' would have to be congregational singing? We may assume that because that is what we are used to. But congregational singing became the norm in the Reformation period. I have read that there was antiphonal singing in the early centuries of Christianity, where one led a line, and others sang a line after him. But we don't really read about a clear example of this in scripture.

In fact, I Corinthians 14:26 would seem to indicate a solo, since every ONE of you hath A psalm. So if we are looking for a scripture to clear up whether congregational versus turn-taking solos are specifically authorized, then shouldn't we go with solos?

I do not apply a rule like that, though. If congregational singing is edifying, I am not opposed to it. Though I certainly think we should allow for the solos, and perhaps prefer it, because they are specifically authorized.

It is also interesting to note that the apostles sung a hymn at the Lord's supper. I've read that certain songs were song 'congregationally' by the family or group there, all at the same time, after the meal. The text doesn't specify this, however.
 
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Kerry I can show you all verses that tells us how to worship God, but you still miss the point. Worship in singing is the SAME as in LIVING out God's will. It has to be IN HIM. Oh Kerry my friend, PLEASE tell me this... How many times will God repeat Himself?

You say that this song "SAY THE NAME" is WORSHIP? WOW! That is NOT WORSHIP. It is this..... But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


Kerry worship in song is EXACTLY like prayer.... Find me a Psalm that reapeats the words OVER AND OVER AND OVER again untill like we get nauteous of the Words. God says this is what He will SPIT OUT.... This ACTING Holy and repeating Words over and over like the HEATHENS do. Acting holy is LUKE WARM....

Holy people do not repeat words.... And here is how to JUDGE all worshipping Kerry..... Is it in TRUTH and does God WITNESS with the worship? If God does not witness in the worshipping, then it is NOT FROM GOD. Instruments are fine as Psalms says, And Worshipping in song only is also fine as 1 Cor 14 says. But the WITNESS of God with POWER has to be there or it is NOT OF GOD.

If we sing a Psalm and the Psalm says we will be HEALED by Him, then NO PERSON IN THAT CHURCH SHOULD LEAVE THERE SICK or LAME! That is how God witness with His people. That is how the POWER of the Holy Spirit EMPOWERS GOD'S PEOPLE IN WORSHIP.

But you know this do you not Kerry! You might reject it but you know this. Please my friend BELIEVE the Name of God... His name is: THE WORD OF GOD! Revelation 19.
Kerry here is the Truth as by God in HIS WORD.... Psalm 28 says I will praise him with my song.... and Psalm 81 says...
Take a psalm, and bring hither the timbrel, the pleasant harp with the psaltery.
Psa 81:3 Blow up the trumpet in the new moon, in the time appointed, on our solemn feast day.

So it is BOTH song (singing with voice only or with musical instruments) both Psalms and many other songs..... but it has to be on a PURE HEART.. Or God does not listen....

Kerry also there will be OTHER songs not only Psalms, but it has to be HIS STATUTES,.... God's INPUT in the SONG... And God does not use repititions... Please know this.... Here is the verse that says songs with God's STATUTES,....Thy statutes have been my songs in the house of my pilgrimage.

One of God's STATUTES is ..... DO NOT REPEAT WORDS AS HEATHENS DO....
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And when those beasts give glory and honour and thanks to him that sat on the throne, who liveth for ever and ever,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]The four and twenty elders fall down before him that sat on the throne, and worship him that liveth for ever and ever, and cast their crowns before the throne, saying,
[SUP]11 [/SUP]Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honour and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.
 

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What other church is there? Scripture and verse, please?

There is one church, Christ's church! He established it...

Matthew 16:18 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

Any other church is an imposter, including the pope!
Glad you spoke up here, yes only one is it here on earth? When Christ told Peter to put down his sword and restored Malchus's ear saying that his kingdom is not of this world.

[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; [SUP]2 [/SUP]a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. [SUP]4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
 

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Accept anyone who is weak in faith, but don’t argue about doubtful issues.
One person believes he may eat anything, but one who is weak eats only vegetables.
One who eats must not look down on one who does not eat, and one who does not eat must not criticize one who does, because God has accepted him.
Who are you to criticize another’s household slave? Before his own Lord he stands or falls. And he will stand. For the Lord is able to make him stand.

(Romans 14:1-5)

i don't criticize anyone who by closeness to idolatry or weakness is unable to understand & enjoy music as a supplication before God. i'm sorry if i ever gave that impression; if i did, i repent of it. what i am against is criticizing either the brother that does​ in such a way make his offering before the Lord.
God gave us free will, choice to believe God and not man, and so I, we that see this do the very same

Psalm 1:1 [ Psalm 1 ] Blessed is the man that walketh not in the counsel of the ungodly, nor standeth in the way of sinners, nor sitteth in the seat of the scornful.
 

homwardbound

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Did Jesus say, upon this rock I will build the catholic church, the luteran church, the bapstist church??? No!

Jesus established His Church! The Church of Christ!
Really, and other denominations claim this same fame, all preach Christ right, Then who is right and who is wrong, Man or God?
And please Scripture that says it is to be named the Church of Christ or any other name it is to be, specifically, when Chirst was clear he has no part of this world, his kingdom is not of this world?
 

homwardbound

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Then you are messing with scripture!

Matthew 16:18-20 (KJV)
[SUP]18 [/SUP]And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
[SUP]19 [/SUP]And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
[SUP]20 [/SUP]Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.


Refute that!
Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Peter the rock, which Petra does mean that Rock.
And now so one has adopted from this the Church of Christ, and cool. Where is this directly stated that we are to name and have a building called the Church of Christ is that not worldly, of a carnal nature mindset?
Oh I know there are many a scripture that can create doctrines, as to convince the carnal mind sets of people, but not the mature in Christ.
I see the fly paper on the wall Sister, sorry you do not and are trapped into a special group of people, that are just better than me. Wow I am not biting into that tree full of fake fruit, nor any denomination that has part truth and error in them all.
So I peruse and ask God to separate truth from error and God has been Faithful to me, thank you very much for your concern?

John 8:32 and ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Does not say the truth of ant Church on earth at all
John 8:36
If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be freeindeed.

This has been done in me, praying for you this to be as well and all people who just beleive fro those that do are sealed:

Ephesians 1:13 in whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
 

homwardbound

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Sad to hear that, but confusion and heretical teachings of demons. Care to give an example of some of things that happen, because that's sounds highly unlikely. The CoC simply goes according to the bible, so it's hard to see how any of that could of happen.
Goes according to the Bible as to their interpretation(s) and has an arrogance as I am right you are wrong attitude, which is not God's type of love you all

When Christ went to the cross, how many did he go their for? How many sins did he die for while we all were still unworthy and still are, are we not?

Or did God just do this for the COC only?
 

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People who IMPOSE machines as a FEATURE of Pan worship on High Mountain on Mount Hermon use GREEK out of McGuffy's Lexicon. I think that seeing how words are USED must be important unless you are "guided beyond the sacred pages."

Now, explain from Websters DOUBTFUL DISPUTATIONS.

People get FLEECED by the FLEECERS to take a few courses of GREEK. NO! There is a country called GREECE??

And Latin is required to speak English. Being a DEAD language HELPS because we can go back and attend synagogue 101a and understand what SCRIPTURE SAYS. Paul's father probably spoke Latin and His mother maybe Syriac.

We wonder how we read english without having learnd definitions hundreds of years old? Do we need to know the meaning of THIS ROCK? Well it was/is a huge flat rock in front of the cave temple of PAN called the GATES OF HELL: I have pictures.

How about CHURCH since it is not a Biblical Word? What means CHURCH?
Only Father can reveal truth through Son Christ as to whom Father accepts, and Father accepts all with a contrite heart, giving them a new one by the resurrected Christ. A gift mind you a Gift, seek the Mercy please and maybe if God willing and one will see truth as it is from God through Son Christ.
Thanking Father for doing this to those that have no other motive but to know Father as their friend, and trust Father to protect them, harming no one else while in the metamorphosis process
Thank you Jesus and Father for this amazing gift of born again forsaking our own flesh and the flesh of others, having no confidence in it what so ever.
Philippians 3:3 For we are the circumcision, which worship God in the spirit, and rejoice in Christ Jesus, and have no confidence in the flesh.

 

homwardbound

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The Bible teaches us that we must prove and test all things and only hold fast to that which is good (1 Thess. 5:21). If we cannot go to the Bible and prove what we are doing, then we cannot participate in it with God’s blessing (Rom. 12:2; Mt. 7:21).People try to justify the use of mechanical instruments in New Testament worship by saying, the Bible doesn’t say we can’t use them. But,, this is not how we are to read and study the Bible.

Instead of going to the Bible to see if a practice is specifically condemned, we should go to the Bible and see if it is authorized by God and, pleasing to Him. We have to find out if what we are doing is acceptable to God (Eph. 5:10; Phil. 1:10). If we cannot prove what we do, then we should not do it (1 Thess. 5:21).

We must walk by biblical faith which can only come from God’s word (Heb. 11:6; 2 Cor. 5:7; Rom. 10:17). Therefore, where there is no word of God, there can be no walking by faith. We are not to assume or presume; instead, we must find out if what we are doing is glorifying God and acceptable to Him (Eph. 5:10; Col. 3:17; 1 Cor. 10:31). One cannot use mechanical instruments in New Testament worship because there is no divine authority from God.
As a man believes so is he or she. The mind thoughts are either freeing or condemning, the actions and reactions show and prove this
Proverbs 23:7
for as he thinketh in his heart, so is he: Eat and drink, saith he to thee; but his heart is not with thee
Galatians 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.

Galatians 5:16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.

Does not by the COC, it says by God's Spirit not flesh Spirit and we will not fulfill the lusts of the flesh
 

homwardbound

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Paul is by doctrine established by Christ Himself instructing those with different opinions to get along with each other.
he sets down doctrine, the same doctrine, when he wrote to Titus instructing him how to deal with habitual liars and irascible false teachers:

Therefore rebuke them sharply, so that they will be sound in the faith and will pay no attention to Jewish myths or to the merely human commands of those who reject the truth.
To the pure, all things are pure, but to those who are corrupted and do not believe, nothing is pure. In fact, both their minds and consciences are corrupted.

(Titus 1:14-15)
Just a little foof for thought on thhat Brother if i may, thank you
Yep, and how are we to rebuke them sharply by the dead flesh Spirit that works hard to be one with God?
Or the Spirit of God (truth) from God given yo us by God through the resurrected Christ?
 

homwardbound

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We clearly see the error your mother took you into.
Accusations does not show my flesh no sir not all for I am holy from me. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Only Holy from God through Christ alone, by God's gift to us alone, do you beleive God went to the cross for you too and the whole world?
 

homwardbound

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Eph 5:19 and not a matter of opinion. :)
Is this singing a constant for you, 24/7? Or just a show when in Church, just asking not accusing, and you don't have to answer it, you already know and this is between God and you , not me and you, I am not God nor a showman and do noit want anyone to view me as someone special for I am not, but God is
Love you maybe deeper that you might see for now
 

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good then. explain by scripture how what was an acceptable supplication to God in the OT (sooo many examples) and will be after His return (revelation 5:8) is wickedness in the interim?

will you point at animal sacrifices and say they are no longer required? wonderful! Christ became our sacrifice, and we ourselves are instructed to become living sacrifices.

it was good for an Israelite to take the vows of a Nazerite, but there were many righteous men who were not Nazerites. The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and we rejoice in His presence!

you rejoice too! whether to you that is to be silent and still yourself, to blow a flute and dance or strum a harp and sing, to cast yourself prostrate on the ground or just to smile, lift up your hands and sway, it matters nothing to me. what is in your heart is what makes your actions acceptable.

rejoice! God is Great! He has brought even us filthy gentiles into His kingdom and by His righteousness washed us cleaner than pure snow!
Amen Brother Amen, could not add to your rep yet, will though when allowed again, thanks truth is truth and that can not ever be taken away,
for nothing can separate us from the love of God, nothing, I think Paul meant this when he said this, it did not directly say instruments at that time, but I am sure of the clear spiritual deep meaning of it, as I am sure you are seeing God this way as well trusting God for the depth, height.
[h=3]Ephesians 3:16-18[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]16 [/SUP]that he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man; [SUP]17 [/SUP]that Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love, [SUP]18 [/SUP]may be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
 

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Are we under the OT?
Are you born again? and tell me if so what is the way to be this born again?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
 

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Again, what does this have to do with Churches of Christ with or without instruments, which is the right way to worship
The only true way to worship today is clear:

John 4:23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

Yuo decide true or false, does it say we need to not have instruments? or else
 
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Are you born again? and tell me if so what is the way to be this born again?

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
Yes, I am born again. How is one born again?

John 3:5 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
 

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Rejoice evermore.
(1 Thessalonians 5:16)

by my count, 41 times in the new testament books is the word 'rejoice' used, most often as a 'command' or encouragement to do so.
precisely 0 times is a strict code of law given laying out exactly how one should rejoice, save "
in the Lord" (Philippians 2:16, 3:1, 3:3, 4:4).

so tell me, all of you, what does it look like when you rejoice?


Rejoice
with them that do rejoice, and weep with them that weep.

(Romans 12:15)
 

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Is this singing a constant for you, 24/7?
what is song? it is sound arranged with purpose.
what is sound? it is vibration passing through a medium.
every atom of the universe vibrates continuously.
may my whole life & every action be a psalm of praise, thanksgiving and joy!
 
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What is really ironic to me is how some people will be against musical instruments in church, but do not think church should obey what is actually commanded.

I Corinthians 11 and 14 are the two passages that actually give us any lengthy commands on what to do in church. Chapter 11 is about the Lord's Supper. Chapter 14 verse 26 and onward tell us what to do in church.

Paul says, when you come together, every one of you has a psalm, has a doctrine, has a tongue, has a revelation, has an interpretation. And he commands, "Let all things be done unto edifying."

How many people are comfortable with one preacher, with only clergy speaking, week after week, when the Bible's instructions are that 'every one of you' be allowed to do such things unto edifying. How many people would forbid a tongue and an interpretation or the sharing of a revelation in the form of a prophecy, but would insist that no musical instruments be used? The verse does allow for a psalm, and etymologically, the word for psalm has to do with musical instruments. Historically, many, at least, many psalms were accompanied by musical instruments.

The passage continues on to say that ye may all prophesy one by one. Paul had written that if a revelation comes to one sitting by, the speaking prophet was to hold his peace. How many churches that are adamant against the use of instruments follow these instructions? How many would violate Paul's directive 'forbid not to speak with tongues' even in situations where the tongue is interpreted according to scripture?

Instead of following the actual commandments of the Lord for church meetings, we see people getting all upset over people doing what is not specifically commanded in scripture. The rule for the church, however, is let all things be done unto edifying.

And why do so many churches that oppose instruments allow for congregational singing? Is there any reason 'speaking to yourselves in psalms, hymns, and spiritual songs' would have to be congregational singing? We may assume that because that is what we are used to. But congregational singing became the norm in the Reformation period. I have read that there was antiphonal singing in the early centuries of Christianity, where one led a line, and others sang a line after him. But we don't really read about a clear example of this in scripture.

In fact, I Corinthians 14:26 would seem to indicate a solo, since every ONE of you hath A psalm. So if we are looking for a scripture to clear up whether congregational versus turn-taking solos are specifically authorized, then shouldn't we go with solos?

I do not apply a rule like that, though. If congregational singing is edifying, I am not opposed to it. Though I certainly think we should allow for the solos, and perhaps prefer it, because they are specifically authorized.

It is also interesting to note that the apostles sung a hymn at the Lord's supper. I've read that certain songs were song 'congregationally' by the family or group there, all at the same time, after the meal. The text doesn't specify this, however.
[FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]6. [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]How The New Testament Says To Perform Psalms[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]:[/FONT]

  • [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]A.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]Speaking[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]Eph. 5:19[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] (How does the Bible tell us to perform psalms, hymns and spiritual songs in this passage? Paul said these are accomplished by speaking and by singing. Those who wish to use instruments of music say psalms are to be played. The inspired Apostle Paul said they are to be spoken and sung! Making melody here ([/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psallo[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]) does not indicate playing an instrument. The making of melody here is accomplished in or with the heart. It has to do with singing heartily, with meaning.)[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]B.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]Understanding[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]1 Cor. 14:15[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] (This passage uses [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psallo[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York], the verb form of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psalmos[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]. Notice the Bible says to sing [[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psallo[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]] with the understanding. From the immediate context, [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]verses 16[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] and [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]19[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] show that understanding has to do with understanding spoken words. So the singing [[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psallo-ing[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]] involved spoken words, not mechanical instruments. Some argue that since the root meaning of [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psallo[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] is to strike or twang something to make it vibrate, such as a stringed instrument, this must involve playing, not singing. However, through the evolution of this terms definition, it has come to indicate singing in the New Testament rather than plucking a string, the vocal chords being the object "plucked" and caused to vibrate. The bottom line is, whatever [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psallo[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] does, it produces intelligible words in [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]1 Cor. 14:15[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]. Playing an instrument does no such thing, but singing does. This supplies a Bible definition for [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psallo[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] [verb], and by implication [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]psalmos[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] [noun]; to sing [verb], or the song that is sung [noun].)[/FONT]
    [FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]C.[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]Teach And Admonish[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]: [/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York]Col. 3:16[/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman,Times,New York] (This passage tells us to teach and admonish with psalms. Whatever a psalm is, it teaches and admonishes. The sounds of an instrument do not teach nor admonish so their use in the performance of a psalm would violate what this passage requires of our musical worship. Furthermore, the verse says this is accomplished by singing. The performance of a psalm, a hymn, or a spiritual song is accomplished by singing. That's what the Bible says. Others may say that at least psalms also include playing, but the Bible says it is accomplished by singing.)[/FONT]

 
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Not really, there are only 57 Mizmors Paul would understand as Psalms. The BOOK of Psalms contains at least 4 types of POETIC material: #150 is a Halal which means "to make yourself vile" because David was a king and not a priest and the Levites as soothsayer-sorcerers were under DAVID and the commanders of the army: they made war and not music.

The command is to SPEAK that which is written for our LEARNING and Paul compares tongues to lifeless instruments neither of which can TEACH and he therefore silenced the EVERYONE and limited the prophesying to any Apostle-Ordained prophet: there was not one in Corinth and that is why Paul said "Your assemblies do more harm than good." So pity anyone who would use that which Paul condemned as a PATTERN.

The problem with proof text is that it proves that they do not understand that from the Wilderness onward the Church of Christ (the ROCK) had a two piece pattern never changed even by Jesus:

EXCLUSIVE of vocal or instrumental rejoicing or self-speakers. Jesus said that the sons of the Devil speak on their own.
INCLUSIVE of Rest, Reading and Rejoicing.

The LADED BURDEN Jesus destroyed includes arousal singing and Playing: Jesus called the Scribes and Pharisees, HYPOCRITES. In case you missed Ezekiel 33 getting your PhDuh, the Spirit OF Christ names self-speakers for HIRE, singers and instrument players. He said that THESE are the mark of people who have no intention of SPEAKING the Word or obeying it.

The REST, which people miss in getting their PhDuh in Greek means STOP the self-speaking, STOP the singing, STOP the playing because ALL of these are laded burdens by Hired Burden Laders. All such religious operatives such as Miriam, the Levites and all religious musicians are called PARASITES.

At Mount Sinai after the nation refused to hear the voice of God and demanded a human mediator, they immediately fell into musical idolatry of the Egyptian (etal) trinity. The Levites volunteered to slaughter 3,000 of the offenders so it is no surprise that the "eagles" use the Levites as their authority for "worship leaders." In fact, they have lost all options.
Luke 16:29 Abraham saith unto him,
.....They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them.
Luke 16:30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham:
.....but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent.
Luke 16:31 And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
.....neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.

Instrumental idolatry as PLAY (missed that one too?) was a SIN BEYOND REDEMPTION: that is why Amos and Stephens says that God sentenced them back to BABYLON. The sounds of music in Revelation 18 are the SAME sorcerers who HAD deceived the whole world. Since Abaddon or Apollyon is the KING or leader of the MUSES who had been sent to the underworld by the original Babylon mother of harlots, it seems certain that the MUSES are fallen spirits clearly defined in the Babylon clay tablets.

Missed Paul also? Too bad: strong delusions will not permit you to read.

Moses promised another "prophet" like him as our last warning:

1Corinthians 10:6 Now these things were our examples,
..... to the intent we should not lust after evil things, as they also lusted.
1Corinthians 10:7 Neither be ye idolaters, as were some of them; as it is written,
.....he people sat down to eat and drink, and rose up to play.

Paizō 4. play on a musical instrument, h.Ap.206: c. acc., “Pan ho kalamo [flute]phthogga paizōnAr.Ra.230; dance and sing, Pi. O.1.16. 5. play amorously, “pros allēlous

"The triumphal hymn of Moses had unquestionably a religious character about it; but the employment of music in religious services, though idolatrous, is more distinctly marked in the festivities which attended the erection of the golden calf." (Smith's Bible Dictionary, Music, p. 589).

1Corinthians 10:11 Now all these things happened unto them for ensamples: and they are written for our admonition, upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1Corinthians 10:12 Wherefore let him that thinketh he standeth take heed lest he fall.


By looking where Jesus and Paul point we can understand the OFFENSES of any kind of RELIGIOUS RITUAL OR CEREMONY pretending to do something for God or for the "audience."

I have shown where Romans 14 OUTLAWS all of the diversities so that EDIFICATION which means EDUCATION is possible. If you don't know that the purpose of the assembly is ONLY for education, then you probably do not know the meaning of a DISCIPLE and that excludes you from being a CHRISTIIAN.

JESUS COMMANDED THAT WE TEACH WHAT HE COMMANDED TO BE TAUGHT: He was musically mocked as prophesied and did not Command, Example or Remotely infer any performance music in HIS Assembly.
 
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