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williamsalonzo3

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Im a gay christian... I love God, I attend church, I pray and read my bible religiously. Im not here to argue with anyone on my personal views and choices.. But understand that I didnt choose this because if I had a choice I wouldnt put myself through so much hate and discrimination from people im supposed to call my brothers and sisters. Now there are millions of gay christians and for a lot of us we had a hard time and we struggled in our faith and with our walk with god because other people clouded our judgement... I have an undying love for god and Im sure god returns the appreciation... God is love and forgiveness so if I am wrong (and I may be but so might you) then god will deal with me and my inadequacies not another man. I suggest you all do what I have done so many times before and pray on the issue ask for a sign from god because I dont know if you know this but the bible was written by man and sometimes we get it wrong... But god doesnt.
 
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Bible was written by men but it's God's inspiration, and I'm going to assume since you read bible religiously you already know to act on homosexuallity is wrong in front of God, I get you can't control the atracttion you feel to men but certainly you control what you do about it, if you understand is wrong and believe God is all mighty you know that he is able of changing you :) still we can't judge you that's God's job. God bless you.
 

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Thank you williamsalonzo3 for I know and agree for my obedience is not perfect, has never been, God's has and is, pffering us Love beyond measure to the Human flesh. Just IMOP stay away from harming others as this is waht I see God gets really upset about, starting in the day of Noah, and i tis still happening today, not with all people, but a lot of us, and we say we received God's Mercy and go and and bite and attack on others, like rabid dogs.
2 Corinthians 10:6 and having in a readiness to revenge all disobedience, when your obedience is fulfilled.

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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The Bible speaks directly to "homosexual behavior" or "homosexual acts." A "homosexual", from a scriptural perspective, is someone that chooses to engage in homosexual acts.

Homosexuality as an "identity" is a modern non-biblical construction that modernists (and post-modernists) fabricated around an immoral behavior.

In Romans 1, Paul condemns homosexual acts, lesbian as well as male, in the same breath as idolatry (vv. 23–27), but his theological canvas is broader than that. Instead of treating homosexual behavior as an expression of idolatrous worship, he traces both to the bad ‘exchange’ fallen man has made in departing from his Creator’s intention.

Seen from this angle, every homosexual act is unnatural, because it flies in the face of God’s creation scheme for human sexual expression.

People are not girls trapped in boys bodies and boys trapped in girls bodies as those the devil deceived falsely assert. They are sinners trapped in a world that sin has permeated and need salvation followed by sanctification.

It is one thing to repent and become a Christian in recovery/sanctification struggling with sin issues in their life. This is the condition many Christians find themselves in. Perhaps all, to some extent. These are born-again and have aligned themselves with God in truth.

It is entirely another thing to justify one's sin as normal and refuse to repent aligning with ungodliness in rebellion to God and then twisting His Word to "justify" it deceiving themselves and others as per 2 Timothy 12-13:

"In fact, everyone who wants to live a godly life in Christ Jesus will be persecuted, while evildoers and impostors will go from bad to worse, deceiving and being deceived."

Anyone who calls themselves a Christian and believes, practices, and advocates homosexual acts as moral within the Christian worldview is deceived by the devil or a liar and caught in a snare of great sexual immorality.

"But among you there must not be even a hint of sexual immorality, or of any kind of impurity, or of greed, because these are improper for God’s holy people. Nor should there be obscenity, foolish talk or coarse joking, which are out of place, but rather thanksgiving.

For of this you can be sure: No immoral, impure or greedy person—such a person is an idolater—has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and of God.

Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of such things God’s wrath comes on those who are disobedient. Therefore do not be partners with them." -Ephesians 5:3-7.

Do not even partner with such people for they are "workers of iniquity."
 
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I have a normal sex drive and I've been celibate for 26 years. We are not robots.

The choice to engage in heterosexual acts, homosexual acts, or abstinence with regard to other people is a real choice that exists with each of us. We CAN choose NOT to have sex with other people.

The biblical warning for people who choose to engage in homosexual acts is if they choose to rebelliously continue engaging in homosexual acts they can eventually become consumed to the point of reprobation at which point God lets go giving them up to their lusts (Rom 1:18–25).

While references to homosexual acts are limited in Scripture, they become a powerful image for those who in their rebellion and blindness choose to give up God’s good gift of normative morality in healthy sexuality and exchange it for something degrading and unnatural.

Homosexual acts become a symbol in Scripture for violating a basic principle of holiness: mixing that which the Lord declared should be separate.


Bible was written by men but it's God's inspiration, and I'm going to assume since you read bible religiously you already know to act on homosexuallity is wrong in front of God, I get you can't control the atracttion you feel to men but certainly you control what you do about it, if you understand is wrong and believe God is all mighty you know that he is able of changing you :) still we can't judge you that's God's job. God bless you.
 
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God condemns homosexuality throughout scripture. You are calling God a liar when you quote mine scriptures that show God forgives sinners and accepts them into His kingdom for the purpose of saving and sanctifying them and toss out all the scriptures that condemn homosexual iniquity (e.g. deviation from the right path) and say that people don't need to repent from a life engaged in homosexual acts with other people.

Homosexuality is not OK for a Christian to live in. It is a great sexual immorality that needs to be repented from.

Saying it is not is false. Comparing it to other sins to try and justify it is logically fallacious.

Falsely attempting to justify the sin of homosexuality by misrepresenting God's Word to say that God's love covers a continued "lifestyle" of engaging in homosexual acts without repentance only incurs greater judgment to the false teachers who make this false assertion.

Those who misrepresent God's Word to "justify" a great sexual immorality His love intended to save and sanctify people from so they "may live a life worthy of the Lord and please him in every way" are deceiving people caught in sin that God's love is designed to deliver them from.

"Therefore, brothers and sisters, we have an obligation—but it is not to the flesh, to live according to it. For if you live according to the flesh, you will die; but if by the Spirit you put to death the misdeeds of the body, you will live." -Romans 8:12-13.

"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

Such were (e.g. past tense) some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and in the Spirit of our God." -1 Corinthians 6:9-11.

The scriptures of love and grace are NOT designed to empower a life of great sin but rather to facilitate salvation and sanctification FROM such a life.

When you say the opposite, you act as a false teacher.

False teachers are condemned in scripture along with those who choose to live a life of great sexual immorality with others without ever repenting from it.

It would be far better at the judgment to simply have admitted that what you were doing was in contradiction to God's Word and that you were struggling with it from a place of genuine repentance for grace is always available to the genuinely repentant.

Claiming that you don't have to repent from such a life, that it's covered by love and grace so you can go on living in it is a state of great deception.

"Then He [Jesus] left the crowds and went into the house. And His disciples came to Him and said, 'Explain to us the parable of the tares of the field.'

And He said, 'The one who sows the good seed is the Son of Man, and the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels.

So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

Then the righteous will shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear." -Matthew 13:36-43 (NASB).

In Revelation 14:14–20 two harvests, grain and grapes, are depicted. In both cases God’s covenant people are forever separated from their enemies. The two groups are never again to be together, due to an inseparable chasm between them (Luke 16:26).

The biblical picture is that of judgment spurring believers on to righteous living NOT I can live a life of great sexual immorality and wickedness never repenting because God paid for me to be able to live like filth on earth and loves me anyways as I continue unrepentant in a life of great sin and iniquity. If you believe that, then you are deceived and maligning the other half of the Bible that says OTHERWISE.

This preparedness for God's kingdom is not simply a matter of intellectual knowledge but of a believing response to God’s grace in how they are to live their lives.

Paul applies the need for preparation to the church. He urges his readers to prepare for the appearance of Christ. Those who miss out do so because they continue to deceive themselves (and others) and practice evil (while justifying it even to maligning God's Word). These are eventually caught unawares.

Galatians 5:16-26 - But I say, walk by the Spirit, and you will not gratify the desires of the flesh... Now the works of the flesh are evident: sexual immorality, impurity, sensuality, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, fits of anger, rivalries, dissensions, divisions...

How can you walk by the Spirit of God and engage in gross sexual immorality with another person or persons.

I know plenty of single celibate Christian people that cannot find a suitable mate. They do not twist God's Word to justify fornication or homosexual acts with another person. What makes you think these godly people who chose not to engage in sexual immorality won't be present at the judgment of those who did and maligned God's Word to try and justify their sin?

Maligning God's Word to justify a life spent in pursuit of sexual immorality has serious (and if not repented from eternal) consequences. When people are willing to go to such lengths that they create heresy, deceive themselves, and deceive others simply to continue engaging in sexual immorality: eventually God gives them up to it.

"Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another." -Romans 1:24

"But be doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving yourselves." -James 1:22

"Now the Spirit expressly says that in later times some will depart from the faith by devoting themselves to deceitful spirits and teachings of demons." -1 Timothy 4:1

On and on and on and on... all those verses you toss out so you can pretend that one can live an unrepentant life of great sexual immorality with other people and it's all good in clear opposition to scripture.

The Bible says that sinners are righteous in their own eyes and Jesus said in John 9:41, "If you were blind, you would not be guilty of sin; but now that you claim you can see, your guilt remains."

A material number of early gentile pagan converts to Christianity (that joined Jewish believers) were ex-homosexuals.

You're cutting God short to assert that He cannot change them. I know a number of ex-homosexuals that are happily married today (to members of the opposite sex).

They chose righteousness and pursued God. They didn't malign His Word to justify their sin and end up fully deceived and given over to it by God.

Enter through the narrow gate for it leads to life and stop being a stumbling block to that narrow gate for those caught in the snare of sexual immorality.



You go on with your bad self Brother and condemn, condemn, take God's place and condemn, are you doing this? By your posts it seems you are? But you decide that you are righteous or not?
1 Timothy 1:15 Here is a trustworthy saying that deserves full acceptance: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners—of whom I am the worst.
To all whether Homosexual or not I plead to all to seek for God for I know God is seeking for all through Son and not by being a tyrant at all. Ask for God's Mercy all of us, seek that out and start the personal relationship, that God says he is our friend, and went to the cross for us all to redeem us in the Spirit and for us to daily kill selfishness of the flesh. This includes Heterosexuals as well, Who have reprobate minds too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Romans speaks to all, not segregating sins
 
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Don't present a false gate to people caught in the sin of homosexuality, that they can continue with wild abandon in homosexual sex acts with other people and that it's all good in Christ because He died so people can continue living lives full of great sin only now without consequence.

That's a lie! NOTHING could be further from the truth. Jesus died on the cross to save sinners and sanctify them for God's kingdom.

Homosexuals need to repent of their sin and appropriate God's love and grace in Christ for the purpose of salvation and sanctification in preparation for an eternity with Him.

"For this is the will of God, your sanctification; that is, that you abstain from sexual immorality." -1 Thessalonians 4:3.
 
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Romans 8:5 For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
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paulsfam4

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there is no such a thing as a gay Christian!. How can a Christian espouse a sinful act against God without remorse for that sin or wanting to stop that sinful behavior God commands to reject our old lives and live new" reborn "you cant have it both ways. Romans 8:5.For those who live according to the flesh set their minds on the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit set their minds on the things of the Spirit. 6 For to set the mind on the flesh is death, but to set the mind on the Spirit is life and peace. 7 For the mind that is set on the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to God's law; indeed, it cannot. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.
 
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paulsfam4

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this scripture would have worked for you! but you posted it in a forum with a others that have been giving their sin to God as we all should with our sin. But you started your post with a prideful statement of sin..Matthew 18:15 “If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother.”
 
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HOD

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No gay is a christian (Christlike) so it is totally wrong for you to say gay-christian. Gayism is not just sin but occultic and demonic.
 
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MarkMulder

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Im a gay christian... I love God, I attend church, I pray and read my bible religiously. Im not here to argue with anyone on my personal views and choices.. But understand that I didnt choose this because if I had a choice I wouldnt put myself through so much hate and discrimination from people im supposed to call my brothers and sisters. Now there are millions of gay christians and for a lot of us we had a hard time and we struggled in our faith and with our walk with god because other people clouded our judgement... I have an undying love for god and Im sure god returns the appreciation... God is love and forgiveness so if I am wrong (and I may be but so might you) then god will deal with me and my inadequacies not another man. I suggest you all do what I have done so many times before and pray on the issue ask for a sign from god because I dont know if you know this but the bible was written by man and sometimes we get it wrong... But god doesnt.

Your second post...
well, when you keep on posting stuff like this that's WRONG in every conceivable way
[I don't even know where to start] you surely will last long here. :rolleyes:
 
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If you can have Christian alcoholics, why not gay Christians? If homosexuality is a sin - then that's precisely what it is. After all, being a sinner doesn't make you non-Christian. Heck, everyone's a sinner.

So yes, technically homosexuals can be Christian.

Those who say you can't be gay and Christian are committing the No True Scottsman fallacy.

Not all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. Are they wrong and mislead? Perhaps, but they're still technically Christians. This is why we have denominations, because Christianity is a very vague term compared to the very specific beliefs held by different Christians.
 

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Not all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. Are they wrong and mislead? Perhaps, but they're still technically Christians. This is why we have denominations, because Christianity is a very vague term compared to the very specific beliefs held by different Christians.
I like the post quoted.

Some thoughts:
God views people different than people view people.

Matthew 25 talks about sheep and goats. Someone said to me, "I don't want to be a goat." In reply, I said, "Fools hate correction. I don't want to be a fool." Being a Christian is not the point. The point of Christianity is Christ. God will judge
if a Christian is a goat or a sheep. In terms of labels, a Christian (or synonymous term) is one who acknowledge that Jesus is the best example and is to be followed, not only because he was moral compass for the ages; a Christian sees Christ as Lord and Redeemer, one with all authority (Matthew 28). Christian's believe Jesus death and resurrection-- not mere clothes, words, or actions, or well-wishing-- were God's greatest expression of love and hope. In the words of my pastor, "Because He got up, I believe."

Can someone suffer or choose to suffer? yes. The book of Peter, named after the one whom Jesus said would see him suffer, that book says that suffering will happen. But will we suffer by our doing wrong or as we look to do good? Christians have different ideas on the particulars, sure, but the Bible is clear on many things. Even those so-called obvious aspects of Scripture get misunderstood and/or poorly taught.

If Christianity is more complex than the Bible,
then it is a good thing that the God of the Bible is perfect in knowing hearts and actions.
 
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If you can have Christian alcoholics, why not gay Christians? If homosexuality is a sin - then that's precisely what it is. After all, being a sinner doesn't make you non-Christian. Heck, everyone's a sinner.

So yes, technically homosexuals can be Christian.

Those who say you can't be gay and Christian are committing the No True Scottsman fallacy.

Not all Christians believe homosexuality is a sin. Are they wrong and mislead? Perhaps, but they're still technically Christians. This is why we have denominations, because Christianity is a very vague term compared to the very specific beliefs held by different Christians.
God just Love you, time to respond?
Yes Christ went to the cross for all, and in Father's sight took all sin away, because no not one could ever be perfect in and of themselves, before this death of Christ and or after no one still can ever be perfect in and of themselves ever.

So with this truth, what do we do?
Colossians 1:22
in the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:


The above verse is what is done, do we stop any and all sin? Can anyone? Maybe if they are real strong and committed, might get nine out of ten laws down, right?
Yet there is that one nagging one that just ills one, and they can't be honest and let others know this one they hate, yet do behind closed doors, as is what much of the Christian world is caught up underneath doing and hiding just as Adam and Eve did.

Okay, now by the works ethic are there many frustrated Christians hiding behind closed doors wanting to be accepted for who they are and whatever they do, provided they are not harming anyone?
Yet no matter what, in being open, there are those that still complain, oh you are harming me, another or God, and then use Scripture to attack and make one feel bad.

Tell me who is the relationship between, God or man and you?

Who is able to get me to stand, you or anyone else God has accepted?
Ephesians 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, to the saints which are at Ephesus, [FONT=&quot]and to the faithful in Christ Jesus:[/FONT]

(does that above mean we are Faithful, can be Faithful or the want to be Faithful?)

Ephesians 1:2
[FONT=&quot]grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ.[/FONT]

(So what is poured on us that want to serve and do what is right?)


Ephesians 1:3
Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,[FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]who[/FONT][FONT=&quot] hath blessed us [/FONT][FONT=&quot]with[/FONT][FONT=&quot] all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:[/FONT]

Does the above say past, has, is it done?

Ephesians 1:4
according as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

The above verse, does that mean he has chosen you and not me? Has he chosen all or not? What is the problem, it seems God has only chosen a few and that might include me, you or you and might not, what's up with that? Is that fair? Is that truly God the creator or not? Is God really Love or not?
Ephesians 1:5
having [FONT=&quot]predestinated[/FONT][FONT=&quot] us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself,[/FONT] according to the good pleasure of his will,

Who is the us above? The Faithful, who is the Faithful? Those that want to be in God through Son, no ands, ifs, or butts here is there? And God knows who does and does not want to be? And God will be able to cause anyone of God’s to stand right?

Ephesians 1:6
to the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.

Praise to whose Grace? Who has by his grace accepted who? Those that want to be one with God and not arrogant, rather in humility maybe, who do not act perfect, knowing only God is maybe? You get to decide if this is true or not.

Ephesians 1:7
in whom we have redemption[FONT=&quot] through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
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We have what, Those that are what, Faithful in staying to what? Could that be to wanting to know God in full, and not giving up to know God, more than anything else?
How can God be a tyrant at all when he went to the cross and by through the shed blood forgave all trespasses, while we were yet failures, and this occurred before anyone here today was ever born, yes or not to this?

How many sins are left for anyone? Yet we all sin do we not, some less than others and some more than others right? Is not sin, sin period no matter how big or small?
Yet we all have either sinned, can again and are capable of sin again in the future no matter what, since we all are in unredeemed body’s right? You decide if all, the above is true or not, this battle; bottom line is not between you and I, it is between God and you personally, first and foremost, before anyone can truly help their neighbor right?

So take the above and ask inside self whether he did die for you and all to take away all the sin of the world, so he can, live in you teaching you personally what is well for your soul and what is not? Thus carry on, live, laugh and love and we see truth over error, I am confident in God teaching each of us the truth that we agree with and we respond accordingly and be free God’s loving way.
So to each their own, All I can say is I just love you as God does too!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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If you can have Christian alcoholics, why not gay Christians? .
The big difference is: usually the alcoholics aren't proud of their sin, unlike the gays.
That's why the gays have PRIDE Marches, and alcoholics don't have them.

True, we're all sinners, but there's no need to emphasize our own particular sin.
Your sin what keeps you away from God, not what defines you as a christian.
 
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The big difference is: usually the alcoholics aren't proud of their sin, unlike the gays.
That's why the gays have PRIDE Marches, and alcoholics don't have them.

True, we're all sinners, but there's no need to emphasize our own particular sin.
Your sin what keeps you away from God, not what defines you as a christian.
You do realize that part of it is a back lash because of this type of stuff yet where are the Christians denoucing this type of stuff which happens far to often. And this is done in the name of Christ

Good Christian Pastor Orders Congregation to Beat Gay Son

A gay Gibson County couple said they were assaulted when they tried to attend church services at the Grace Fellowship Church in Fruitland last Wednesday.“I went over to take the keys out of the ignition and all the sudden I hear someone say ‘sick’em,’” said Gibson County resident, Jerry Pittman Jr. (LINK)
ABC News reports that a Tennessee man was assaulted by a church congregation for trying to attend a service. The kicker to the story? The pastor was the man’s father.Luckily, this is the United States of America, where we just don’t put up with that sort of thing. Concerned bystanders jumped in to stop the assault. The police were called and all of the perpetrators were arrested and lectured sternly about their social obligation to tolerate those who are different than them. Right?Well… no. That’s not what happened at all. In fact, it was pretty much the opposite.
“My uncle and two other deacons came over to the car per my dad’s request. My uncle smash me in the door as the other deacon knocked my boyfriend back so he couldn’t help me, punching him in his face and his chest. The other deacon came and hit me through my car window in my back,” said Pittman. He said bystanders did not offer assistance. He said the deacon yelled derogatory homosexual slurs, even after officers arrived. He said the officers never intervened to stop the deacons from yelling the slurs.

Good Christian Pastor Orders Congregation to Beat Gay Son | Life Without a Net

 
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The big difference is: usually the alcoholics aren't proud of their sin, unlike the gays.
That's why the gays have PRIDE Marches, and alcoholics don't have them.

True, we're all sinners, but there's no need to emphasize our own particular sin.
Your sin what keeps you away from God, not what defines you as a christian.
And who's proud of being "gay" here?


I have tried to get rid of it, but you guys are telling me I'm not a Christian because I'm attracted to my same sex?


I would never consider myself as "Gay", but before anything I'm a Christian that believes in Jesus, and nobody is gonna take that away from me. I've been struggling with this everyday of my life, so watch what you say.