AM I JEW OR A GENTILE IF I KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS ?
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Daley
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I feel bad if I lie, I don't feel bad if I work on the sabbath, so one law God has written on my heart, the other he has not. God only writes in the ones that are binding. Maybe you'd feel bad about working on the sabbath because you were indoctrinated to believe it? Like how Catholic priests are indoctrinated to believe they should not marry.
repent and you will be saved, 
give your fears to the lord rejoice and pray for your brothers and sisters to honor the sabbath
Isaiah 66:22-23
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]‘As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,’ declares the Lord, ‘so will your name and descendants endure. [SUP]23 [/SUP]From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,’ says the Lord.
give your fears to the lord rejoice and pray for your brothers and sisters to honor the sabbathIsaiah 66:22-23
New International Version - UK (NIVUK)
[SUP]22 [/SUP]‘As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,’ declares the Lord, ‘so will your name and descendants endure. [SUP]23 [/SUP]From one New Moon to another and from one Sabbath to another, all mankind will come and bow down before me,’ says the Lord.
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Karraster
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Perhaps we all should consider the contrast in these opposing statements.
Do we have a Jewish heart, one that loves and blesses the Jews? Or do we consider them nothing more than a punk?
If you say that you love the Lord God of Israel and He says Israel is the apple (pupil) of His eye, it should be as easy as breathing to love them also. After all, the LORD Yeshua is called the melech ha-Yehudim, the King of the Jews (Matt 2:2, 27:11 etc.) and the term "Mashiach (ie Christ) is a regal term denoting the annointed King of Israel.
The Church that thinks God has abandoned Israel for Christians has a poor understanding of Almighty, furthermore any who hold this belief should be worried that they serve a God who doesn't keep promises.
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phil112
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I have never in my life seen anyone that twists and distorts words more than you. zin said jews deserve respect because they get beaten up. I pointed out that bad people get beaten up, but that doesn't mean they deserve respect. Getting beaten up is not the qualifier for deserving respect, behaviour is.
And then you come along and try to pervert my words to say that I think jews are punks. You are a vile person!
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Karraster
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there not going listen to the truth even when its showed to them maybe by next week it might suddenly hit them who knows.
but picking out a word like respect to mock says it all dont you think, the lion of judah is always watching,
when will people stop trashing the word of God ? what has one Got to Do to stop this barrage of attacks, stand firm soldier god bless you karrester thanks for the help
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phil112
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More foolish distortion. You know good and well what I said. Take your lies elsewhere.
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Karraster
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The ignorant and foolish never learn from history, not seeing the writing on the wall. In America murder is legal by way of the womb, and with implementation of the new health care, not only are they reaching for more lenient ways of aborting a life, but senior citizen mandatory euthanasia is implied. The sanctity of life is not a luxury for an elite few, but for all men. The masses are "conditioned" methodically to embrace murder, some by way of their mere silence. When difficult times come, and they will, the Holocaust will be repeated, along with Christians who keep the commandments of God with faith in Yeshua, and like recent history the silent and still majority will allow it to happen, thinking it won't affect them.
The Jews have always been hated by the world, and endeavors to exterminate them, or at the least make them a scape goat is an agenda of the devil, and the devil has many supporters, even within the Church walls. Martin Luther penned the words "burn down their synagogs", and he is just one of many church fathers who persecuted Jews. All through history the Jews are persecuted and treated with scorn. Antisemitism, or stand with the Jewish people? That is a question all be faced with one day.
Zechariah12:1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
The Jews have always been hated by the world, and endeavors to exterminate them, or at the least make them a scape goat is an agenda of the devil, and the devil has many supporters, even within the Church walls. Martin Luther penned the words "burn down their synagogs", and he is just one of many church fathers who persecuted Jews. All through history the Jews are persecuted and treated with scorn. Antisemitism, or stand with the Jewish people? That is a question all be faced with one day.
Zechariah12:1 The burden of the word of the Lord for Israel, saith the Lord, which stretcheth forth the heavens, and layeth the foundation of the earth, and formeth the spirit of man within him. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem. [SUP]3 [/SUP]And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it.
1432. Sabbath, Change of, as a Gradual Process
Source: Vincent J. Kelly, Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations, pp. 15, 22–25. Copyright 1943 by the Catholic University of America Press, Washington. Used by permission of the author.
[p. 15] A history of the problem shows that in some places, it was really only after some centuries that the Sabbath rest really was entirely abolished(by man not God), and by that time the practice of observing a bodily rest on the Sunday had taken its place…
[p. 22] The question now arises: Did the transfer of the day of worship from the seventh day to the first day of the week by the early Christians carry with it the obligation of rest which had characterized the Jewish Sabbath? That question is difficult to answer. All are fairly well agreed that there was no such thing as an immediate transfer of the obligation of rest. This is partly evident from the fact that there were some who regarded the practice of resting from prohibited works on a festival as characteristically Jewish, and therefore something inappropriate for the Christians. Even the Jewish converts themselves did not think of uniting rest with the Sunday. It was the seventh day of the week which typified the rest of God after creation and not the first day. The former day was to be retained as the day of rest even though the Christian worship was held on the night between Saturday and Sunday. “The idea of importing [p. 23] into the Sunday the solemnity of the Sabbath with all its exigencies was an entirely foreign one to the early Christians. This was especially true in regard to the prohibition of work.” 49 [Note 49: Duchesne, Christian Worship,…p. 47.] It was not easy at that early period, nor later as history shows, for the Jewish converts to give up completely the historical Sabbath rest. If a distinction can be made between the converts from paganism and those from Judaism, it can be said that it was probably the pagan converts who first joined a rest from labor with the Sunday.
One writer mentions that this transfer of the day of rest from the seventh to the first day of the week, although it took place gradually, was well nigh complete by the end of the first century. An almost complete absence of evidence makes this statement difficult to prove… As has already been mentioned, if the early Judaeo-Christians kept any day of rest, it was probably the Sabbath, the memorial of crea- [p. 24] tion…
[p. 25] But when it is said that there was no transfer of the obligation of abstaining from prohibited works on the Sabbath to the Sunday, and that no mention of such an obligation can be found in the writings of the Apostolic Fathers, one must not conclude that there was actually no abstention whatsoever from work on Sunday even in the beginning.
Source: Vincent J. Kelly, Forbidden Sunday and Feast-Day Occupations, pp. 15, 22–25. Copyright 1943 by the Catholic University of America Press, Washington. Used by permission of the author.
[p. 15] A history of the problem shows that in some places, it was really only after some centuries that the Sabbath rest really was entirely abolished(by man not God), and by that time the practice of observing a bodily rest on the Sunday had taken its place…
[p. 22] The question now arises: Did the transfer of the day of worship from the seventh day to the first day of the week by the early Christians carry with it the obligation of rest which had characterized the Jewish Sabbath? That question is difficult to answer. All are fairly well agreed that there was no such thing as an immediate transfer of the obligation of rest. This is partly evident from the fact that there were some who regarded the practice of resting from prohibited works on a festival as characteristically Jewish, and therefore something inappropriate for the Christians. Even the Jewish converts themselves did not think of uniting rest with the Sunday. It was the seventh day of the week which typified the rest of God after creation and not the first day. The former day was to be retained as the day of rest even though the Christian worship was held on the night between Saturday and Sunday. “The idea of importing [p. 23] into the Sunday the solemnity of the Sabbath with all its exigencies was an entirely foreign one to the early Christians. This was especially true in regard to the prohibition of work.” 49 [Note 49: Duchesne, Christian Worship,…p. 47.] It was not easy at that early period, nor later as history shows, for the Jewish converts to give up completely the historical Sabbath rest. If a distinction can be made between the converts from paganism and those from Judaism, it can be said that it was probably the pagan converts who first joined a rest from labor with the Sunday.
One writer mentions that this transfer of the day of rest from the seventh to the first day of the week, although it took place gradually, was well nigh complete by the end of the first century. An almost complete absence of evidence makes this statement difficult to prove… As has already been mentioned, if the early Judaeo-Christians kept any day of rest, it was probably the Sabbath, the memorial of crea- [p. 24] tion…
[p. 25] But when it is said that there was no transfer of the obligation of abstaining from prohibited works on the Sabbath to the Sunday, and that no mention of such an obligation can be found in the writings of the Apostolic Fathers, one must not conclude that there was actually no abstention whatsoever from work on Sunday even in the beginning.
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danschance
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How sad. Nothing but glowing terms for the Jews this and Jews that, who rejected, bore false witness against and murdered in cold blood, the Messiah. Even to this day they still reject the gospel and spit on anyone wearing a cross. How sad. Not a single word about gentiles who are currently being blessed. While Jews sit idly by, hoping to rebuild a temple, the good news is still spreading like a wild fire through out the world, yet you only have room in your heart for all things Jewish. How sad.
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danschance
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When is a Jew, not a Jew?
A Jew is a person born of a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism. You can be a accepted as a Jew by other Jews if you water down Judaism with the occult Kabalah. Jews will accept you as a Jew if you belong to any Jewish sect. Jews will accept you as a Jew if you also are a Buddhist. Jews will accept and call you a Jew, even if you do not believe in God! However, the Jews will no longer accept you as a Jew if you believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. In Israel, it is illegal to share your faith about Jesus.
A Jew is a person born of a Jewish mother or converted to Judaism. You can be a accepted as a Jew by other Jews if you water down Judaism with the occult Kabalah. Jews will accept you as a Jew if you belong to any Jewish sect. Jews will accept you as a Jew if you also are a Buddhist. Jews will accept and call you a Jew, even if you do not believe in God! However, the Jews will no longer accept you as a Jew if you believe that Jesus is your Lord and Savior. In Israel, it is illegal to share your faith about Jesus.
By the tone of the quote you placed in this post, it seems some folks are against loving all people, the Jews above all for their service to Yahweh and to the nations. Praise Yahweh, God for the Jews. They are very special. Praise Yahweh, God, for all the people of the nations who have entered through the Gate promised to Abraham, to be adopted into the people of Yahweh by the Blood of His Lamb, amen.
which jews? the believers? or the Christ haters? why above all?
1 Thessalonians 2
15 Who killed both the Lord Jesus and the prophets, and harassed and drove us out, and continue to make themselves hateful and offensive to God and to show themselves foes of all men
You probably right you not a Jew or a Gentile. you must be from a different Galaxy!
Why you say the Gentiles are people without God, Your level of Ignorance just matches the Judaizers in this forum!
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danschance
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I still believe the Jews are God's people, but so are the gentiles from all nations and all tongues who turn to Jesus for salvation. The Jews are under a heavy burden for rejecting and murdering the One sent to save them. They have been scattered abroad, hated and persecuted where ever they go. God is no respecter of persons, yet some here feel the Jews are better and special. God told the Jews to treat the gentiles living among them as equals, but often the show bitter hatred for them today. I heard a Jew in the Holy land say "we killed Jesus and we are proud of that". A Catholic friend of mine blessed himself before a meal and a older Jew instantly stated yelling at him and then spit right in his face for wearing a cross.
[video=youtube;5jG6kJm-50k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5jG6kJm-50k[/video]
Why does it matter to any believing people of the faith of Abraham? Are we not taught to love our enemies? Don't start playing with words. Love all people, the Jews above all for they are the original vine..............This is taught by the Word, and I do not dispute this.
Do not get me wrong. There are individuals of all humanity that make me very angry, but I do not sin because of it. I pray for them, and all others. As it stands, and I pray it remains this way, all who believe in this manner have not chosen any individuals to damn in their minds and hearts. Please do not teach others to do this by "not loving" certain Jews.
Do not get me wrong. There are individuals of all humanity that make me very angry, but I do not sin because of it. I pray for them, and all others. As it stands, and I pray it remains this way, all who believe in this manner have not chosen any individuals to damn in their minds and hearts. Please do not teach others to do this by "not loving" certain Jews.