Talking against the law is dangerous

just-me · Apr 7, 2014

Vaudeville
Hebrews 7:5-16 (KJV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP]And verily they that are of the sons of Levi, who receive the office of the priesthood, have a commandment to take tithes of the people according to the law, that is, of their brethren, though they come out of the loins of Abraham:
[SUP]6 [/SUP]But he whose descent is not counted from them received tithes of Abraham, and blessed him that had the promises.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]And without all contradiction the less is blessed of the better.
[SUP]8 [/SUP]And here men that die receive tithes; but there he receiveth them, of whom it is witnessed that he liveth.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]And as I may so say, Levi also, who receiveth tithes, payed tithes in Abraham.
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For he was yet in the loins of his father, when Melchisedec met him.
[SUP]11 [/SUP]If therefore perfection were by the Levitical priesthood, (for under it the people received the law,) what further need was there that another priest should rise after the order of Melchisedec, and not be called after the order of Aaron?
[SUP]12 [/SUP]For the priesthood being changed, there is made of necessity a change also of the law.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]For he of whom these things are spoken pertaineth to another tribe, of which no man gave attendance at the altar.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]For it is evident that our Lord sprang out of Juda; of which tribe Moses spake nothing concerning priesthood.
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And it is yet far more evident: for that after the similitude of Melchisedec there ariseth another priest,
[SUP]16 [/SUP]Who is made, not after the law of a carnal commandment, but after the power of an endless life.

So now that we have the capability to understand the spiritual aspects of the carnal commandment, what portion of our accumulated assets are we willing to give back to God that He has given to us? I'm not speaking of money. I speaking of all things given to us. Or do you really think that this commandment of tithing ceased in its spiritual application? If you give of yourself, you are following the commandment in the spiritual application of its original intent.

Matthew 22:21 (KJV)
[SUP]21 [/SUP]They say unto him, Caesar's. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's.

Romans 3:31 (KJV)
[SUP]31 [/SUP]Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

God's ordinance of tithing was for sustenance. As I quoted before, James states the tithing very well. If you cannot see the spiritual significance, your argument is in vain.

James 1:27 (KJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.

Romans 8:6-7 (KJV)
[SUP]6 [/SUP]For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[SUP]7 [/SUP]Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

If all you can do is look at the carnal commandments, and argue against them, then I present you this scripture, and exhort you to pray for spiritual understanding, for man shall live by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God. Jesus also quoted that commandment in the law to Satan.

Hebrews 4:1 (KJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

SarahM777 · Apr 7, 2014

just-me said:

That wasn't a tithe it was on OFFERING. Under the Mosaic law the tithe was NEVER money. It was the increase of the land and animals.

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

just-me said:

where's the temple today? the cross doesn't mean much to you does it. that's what happens when you've trampled and denied there's an entirely new covenant.

please find in all books by paul a single teaching for christians to tithe per mosaic law. not there and you know it. or you should.

2 Corinthians 8
8 Moreover, brethren, we do you to wit of the grace of God bestowed on the churches of Macedonia;

2 How that in a great trial of affliction the abundance of their joy and their deep poverty abounded unto the riches of their liberality.

3 For to their power, I bear record, yea, and beyond their power they were willing of themselves;

4 Praying us with much intreaty that we would receive the gift, and take upon us the fellowship of the ministering to the saints.

5 And this they did, not as we hoped, but first gave their own selves to the Lord, and unto us by the will of God.

6 Insomuch that we desired Titus, that as he had begun, so he would also finish in you the same grace also.

7 Therefore, as ye abound in every thing, in faith, and utterance, and knowledge, and in all diligence, and in your love to us, see that ye abound in this grace also.

8 I speak not by commandment, but by occasion of the forwardness of others, and to prove the sincerity of your love.

9 For ye know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes he became poor, that ye through his poverty might be rich.

10 And herein I give my advice: for this is expedient for you, who have begun before, not only to do, but also to be forward a year ago.

11 Now therefore perform the doing of it; that as there was a readiness to will, so there may be a performance also out of that which ye have.

12 For if there be first a willing mind, it is accepted according to that a man hath, and not according to that he hath not.

13 For I mean not that other men be eased, and ye burdened:

14 But by an equality, that now at this time your abundance may be a supply for their want, that their abundance also may be a supply for your want: that there may be equality:

15 As it is written, He that had gathered much had nothing over; and he that had gathered little had no lack.

16 But thanks be to God, which put the same earnest care into the heart of Titus for you.

17 For indeed he accepted the exhortation; but being more forward, of his own accord he went unto you.

18 And we have sent with him the brother, whose praise is in the gospel throughout all the churches;

19 And not that only, but who was also chosen of the churches to travel with us with this grace, which is administered by us to the glory of the same Lord, and declaration of your ready mind:

20 Avoiding this, that no man should blame us in this abundance which is administered by us:

21 Providing for honest things, not only in the sight of the Lord, but also in the sight of men.

22 And we have sent with them our brother, whom we have oftentimes proved diligent in many things, but now much more diligent, upon the great confidence which I have in you.

23 Whether any do enquire of Titus, he is my partner and fellowhelper concerning you: or our brethren be enquired of, they are the messengers of the churches, and the glory of Christ.

24 Wherefore shew ye to them, and before the churches, the proof of your love, and of our boasting on your behalf.

just-us-2 · Apr 7, 2014

Vaudeville said:

just-me said:

Vaudeville said:

Well, Vaudeville, no, they aren’t just-me’s words. They are mine. And I would like to let you know that I am pleased you read the study I put up on our website. However, if I may be a bit fussy for a moment – I would be much more pleased if you would not use a portion taken out of context to try and prove a point contrary to what God showed me as I studied and put on the web to share with others who want to learn. (FYI - That is called edifying and we are told by God to do that.) Besides, just-me did ask you to use his specific posts in the thread to make your point which you did not do.

Now, I would like to recommend that you read all 26 pages of it because you could learn much from reading the whole document…that is, if you haven’t totally refused to learn God’s truths for so long that you no longer can learn them. Your words

Vaudeville said:

make me think you might have crossed that line already.

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

just-me said:

the original intent of the tithe was entirely different from the new covenant instruction. incidentally, why are you calling the mosaic tithe carnal?

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

just-us-2 said:

i have no interest in distinguishing between you and your husband. you're both responsible for that study. i notice you claim God spoke directly to you in these matters. that is your authority? you're both in error. goodbye.

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

just-us-2 said:

i did read it. you're in error. both of you.

SarahM777 · Apr 7, 2014

Vaudeville said:

Do you see the irony of it all? You have a person that proclaims to preach and teach on the law but yet does NOT EVEN know what the law says.

just-us-2 · Apr 7, 2014

Vaudeville said:

Time will tell.
Matthew 7:20-23 20 So you will recognize them by their fruit.
21 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that Day, many will say to me, `Lord, Lord! Didn't we prophesy in your name? Didn't we expel demons in your name? Didn't we perform many miracles in your name?'
23 Then I will tell them to their faces, `I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

just-us-2 said:

Time will tell.
Matthew 7:20-23 20 So you will recognize them by their fruit.
21 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord!' will enter the Kingdom of Heaven, only those who do what my Father in heaven wants.
22 On that Day, many will say to me, `Lord, Lord! Didn't we prophesy in your name? Didn't we expel demons in your name? Didn't we perform many miracles in your name?'
23 Then I will tell them to their faces, `I never knew you! Get away from me, you workers of lawlessness!'

didn't you say in your study God spoke to you directing your study? that makes you a prophetess, and your study inspired.
matthew 7 is about you.

Zinzerio · Apr 7, 2014

just-us-2 said:

hi mrs Zinzerio here i like your post and it is true. This only proclaims the word of God and it is a clear red line that no one should cross when people realize this the better it will be, God does not except counterfeits. God bless you and keep up the good word of the lord

eternally-gratefull · Apr 7, 2014

just-us-2 said:

That passage is speaking directly to you. Your the one trusting in self. Not those of us who understand the purpose of the law, and have had it fulfilled in us.

You think according to the law your righteous, But according to the law you are filthy, a rotten sinner, who needs to be saved by Grace, so you do all those works, thinking you will be made right with God by them, When you do not even know Christ, and worse, he does not know you.

just-us-2 · Apr 7, 2014

Vaudeville said:

I see nothing in you that makes me want the form of Christianity you have. I see the attitude of Christ as different as can possibly be from what you manifest. He loves me and you obviously don't, even though you hammer it down everyone's throat that you are fulfilling the law of love by loving your neighbor as yourself. Where did that love go?
I have much better things to do than contend with such as you. You may now join your friends like eternally gratefull on my ignore list.

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

just-us-2 said:

yes, i have read the posts by you and your husband. when your disciples ask too many questions, that's that. and lots of this emotional manipulation and whining about not being loved. i love you enough to tell you're in error, and shouldn't be teaching. but that's your husband's affair and he will answer. goodbye then.

just-me · Apr 7, 2014

damombomb said:

Zec 4:6 Then he answered and spoke to me, saying, This is the word of the LORD to Zerubbabel, saying, Not by might, nor by power, but by my spirit, said the LORD of host
Hebrews 10:38

King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]38 [/SUP]Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.

Eph2:8
…7so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. 8For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, so that no one may boast.…

Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me, i once was lost, but now i'm found, was blind, but now i
see.

If you are out there lost today, Jesus is waiting for you. He came not to "condemn", but to save. He said come to me all ye
who are heavy laden , and i will give you rest for your soul. Learn of me, for my yoke is easy and my burden is light.
Yes, all who are bound by sin, does not matter what, come to him, learn of him and he will pull you out , into his marvelous
light. I say call on him,he will restore to you all the years that have been lost, put him first in your life, seek him just as you
are, let him have your worries and troubles, give them to him.

Excellent!! If people would only take the time to read all of what others post without think of what they are going to say next to cause friction. God bless you sis.

Least · Apr 7, 2014

Thought I'd post a song...to lighten things up...been on my mind since you talked about the depth and height in another post just-me.

Any way it's a good song.

Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Ephesians 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

[video=youtube;qpqFe7Pqc_M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqFe7Pqc_M[/video]

just-me · Apr 7, 2014

Be it known. The "letter of the law" and the "spirit of the law" are not different. Yet there is a difference in the way we view both aspects of the one law.

If we are condemned by the "letter of the law" we are restricted to recognizing only its physical attributes. Some parts of the physical law may be good in respect to producing crops, and taking care of animals, for in the days of Israel most people (except the Levites) were agricultural people. There is also another aspect in the "letter of the law" that is used for governing, and that is to sustain civility. That's why the Bible says that "the law is for the lawless."

On the other hand, if we see the law through the gift of the Holy Spirit, then we not only see the carnal aspects of the law, but can understand their spiritual significance. We see it as a parable, relating to the spiritual things, because we who are in the Spirit strive to identify the parallel meaning of the foreshadowing of things to come. This is the "Spirit of the law."

The Pharisees on the other hand propagated a traditional religious law that was much more than the original making it corrupt in many respects. This is called the traditional "doctrines of men" and contributed greatly to "the law of sin and death" which did much to destroy the "spirit of the law."

The schoolmaster is the untainted law of God that leads us to Christ. When we receive the gift of faith, we continue the same route that the schoolmaster revealed at the beginning of our new birth, using the original law to die daily to the flesh that we war against every day. We strive then, in study, and to understand the "spirit of the law" so that God will increase our faith by comparing the original law with the experiences God gives us, therefore enabling us to mature in Christ.

This spiritual quest in the Christian life, is a confirmation that we have been lifted up, and through Christ, we are no longer "under the curse of the law."

The more we look into this "law of liberty" the more we establish the "spirit of the law," and that's how God writes the untainted law of God on our hearts and minds. Don't you just love God's love, and the love that the law describes?

Vaudeville · Apr 7, 2014

just-me said:

where did you get this mis-information?

Romans 8
8 Consequently, there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and death. 3 For what was impossible for the law, in that it was weak through the flesh, God did. By[a] sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and concerning sin, he condemned sin in the flesh, 4 in order that the requirement of the law would be fulfilled in us, who do not live according to the flesh but according to the Spirit. 5 For those who are living according to the flesh are intent on the things of the flesh, but those who are living according to the Spirit are intent on the things of the Spirit. 6 For the mindset of the flesh is death, but the mindset of the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the mindset of the flesh is enmity toward God, for it is not subjected to the law of God, for it is not able to do so, 8 and those who are in the flesh are not able to please God.

where is the the oral law mentioned there?

just-me · Apr 7, 2014

Originally Posted by just-me

The Pharisees on the other hand propagated a traditional religious law that was much more than the original making it corrupt in many respects. This is called the traditional "doctrines of men" and contributed greatly to "the law of sin and death" which did much to destroy the "spirit of the law."

Vaudeville said:

The word "oral" isn't in my Bible KJV

I never listened to oral Roberts very much.

Karraster · Apr 8, 2014

Least said:

Thought I'd post a song...to lighten things up...been on my mind since you talked about the depth and height in another post just-me.

Any way it's a good song.

Ephesians 3:14 For this cause I bow my knees unto the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 3:15 Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,
Ephesians 3:16 That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Ephesians 3:17 That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Ephesians 3:18 May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Ephesians 3:19 And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.

[video=youtube;qpqFe7Pqc_M]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpqFe7Pqc_M[/video]

(off topic, my husband is an Elvis fan, he says "thanks doll!"

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