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Paul replied that what they preached differed so greatly from the true gospel that it was no gospel at all. He could not even allow them the name gospel. [Paul preached salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8), they preached salvation by the law through works, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses or they cannot be saved (Acts 15:1, 5); the two are incompatible, and are antagonistic to that end (Rom. 11:6).
At the very beginning he closes the door against compromise, and throughout the epistle this attitude is maintained. Obedience to their teaching puts in bondage (2:4) and entanglement (5:1), and could not result in justification (2:16), or freedom (5:1); it made Christ to be of no profit (5:2), and the death of Christ, which is the essence of the gospel, a superfluous thing of no account (2:21); and so far from bringing blessing it puts him under a curse (3:10); and all who accepted it fell away from grace (5:4).]
only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.—Those who troubled them with false teachings perverted the gospel of Christ. Christ died to redeem all nations from sin. It was a perversion of the gospel to claim that they could not be saved by Christ save through keeping the Jewish law. It was turning them from a sole reliance in Christ back to the Jewish law.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.—Paul's claim was that the gospel as he had preached it was complete, absolute, and final, and if he himself, or even an angel from heaven, should preach another gospel than that he had preached, let him be accursed.
At the very beginning he closes the door against compromise, and throughout the epistle this attitude is maintained. Obedience to their teaching puts in bondage (2:4) and entanglement (5:1), and could not result in justification (2:16), or freedom (5:1); it made Christ to be of no profit (5:2), and the death of Christ, which is the essence of the gospel, a superfluous thing of no account (2:21); and so far from bringing blessing it puts him under a curse (3:10); and all who accepted it fell away from grace (5:4).]
only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.—Those who troubled them with false teachings perverted the gospel of Christ. Christ died to redeem all nations from sin. It was a perversion of the gospel to claim that they could not be saved by Christ save through keeping the Jewish law. It was turning them from a sole reliance in Christ back to the Jewish law.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.—Paul's claim was that the gospel as he had preached it was complete, absolute, and final, and if he himself, or even an angel from heaven, should preach another gospel than that he had preached, let him be accursed.
Correct, but the "works" Paul refers to in Eph. 2 is the "Law of Moses",
Romans 3:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
"law of faith" ? if there is law, there must be obedience, therefore obedience is what justifies,
Romans 4:2 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Abraham was justified by faith, obedient to God, and obedience is a work.
Romans 3:27 (NKJV)
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? Of works? No, but by the law of faith.
"law of faith" ? if there is law, there must be obedience, therefore obedience is what justifies,
Romans 4:2 (NKJV)
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Abraham was justified by faith, obedient to God, and obedience is a work.
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[FONT="]6[/FONT] I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel: [FONT="]7[/FONT] Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ. [FONT="]8[/FONT] But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed. [FONT="]9[/FONT] As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed. Gal 1:6-9 (KJV)
Paul replied that what they preached differed greatly from the true gospel that it was no gospel at all. He could not even allow them the name gospel. Paul preached salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8), they preached salvation by the law through works, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses or they cannot be saved (Acts 15:1, 5), the two are incompatible, and are antagonistic ,(Rom. 11:6). At the very beginning he closes the door against compromise, and throughout the epistle this attitude is maintained.
Obedience to their teaching puts in bondage (2:4) and entanglement (5:1), and could not result in justification (2:16), or freedom (5:1); it made Christ to be of no profit (5:2), and the death of Christ, which is the essence of the gospel, a superfluous thing of no account (2:21); and so far from bringing blessing it puts him under a curse (3:10); and all who accepted it fell away from grace (5:4).]
Paul replied that what they preached differed greatly from the true gospel that it was no gospel at all. He could not even allow them the name gospel. Paul preached salvation by grace through faith (Eph. 2:8), they preached salvation by the law through works, saying, It is needful to circumcise them, and to charge them to keep the law of Moses or they cannot be saved (Acts 15:1, 5), the two are incompatible, and are antagonistic ,(Rom. 11:6). At the very beginning he closes the door against compromise, and throughout the epistle this attitude is maintained.
Obedience to their teaching puts in bondage (2:4) and entanglement (5:1), and could not result in justification (2:16), or freedom (5:1); it made Christ to be of no profit (5:2), and the death of Christ, which is the essence of the gospel, a superfluous thing of no account (2:21); and so far from bringing blessing it puts him under a curse (3:10); and all who accepted it fell away from grace (5:4).]
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Paul never mentioned the law in Eph.
Your adding to the word of God. That is frowned upon.
In Eph He said not of works. lest any one should boast.
You telling me you can't boast about all your good works (even outside the law)
He said the same thing in romans 4 concernign abraham. and there was no law in abrahams time. so he coul not mean works of thew law
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No,
He said their gospel was different in type. But was not a replacement.
He said anyone who taught a gospel which was different than what he taught. that would be any.
And why is their gospel so different than yours?
They taught works. You teach works. They taught religion ceremony( Circumcision), So do you (baptism) They taught salvation was not eternal. As do you.
Your gospel is not very different at all. The terms may have changed, but the meaning is the same
And your gospel of works through water baptism is different how? (other than the fact no woman could be baptized, and there was no blood involved, it is still done by the work and hands of men)
Yep.
You and I teach different gospels. One of us is accursed.
He said their gospel was different in type. But was not a replacement.
He said anyone who taught a gospel which was different than what he taught. that would be any.
And why is their gospel so different than yours?
They taught works. You teach works. They taught religion ceremony( Circumcision), So do you (baptism) They taught salvation was not eternal. As do you.
Your gospel is not very different at all. The terms may have changed, but the meaning is the same
And your gospel of works through water baptism is different how? (other than the fact no woman could be baptized, and there was no blood involved, it is still done by the work and hands of men)
At the very beginning he closes the door against compromise, and throughout the epistle this attitude is maintained. Obedience to their teaching puts in bondage (2:4) and entanglement (5:1), and could not result in justification (2:16), or freedom (5:1); it made Christ to be of no profit (5:2), and the death of Christ, which is the essence of the gospel, a superfluous thing of no account (2:21); and so far from bringing blessing it puts him under a curse (3:10); and all who accepted it fell away from grace (5:4).]
only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.—Those who troubled them with false teachings perverted the gospel of Christ. Christ died to redeem all nations from sin. It was a perversion of the gospel to claim that they could not be saved by Christ save through keeping the Jewish law. It was turning them from a sole reliance in Christ back to the Jewish law.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.—Paul's claim was that the gospel as he had preached it was complete, absolute, and final, and if he himself, or even an angel from heaven, should preach another gospel than that he had preached, let him be accursed.
only there are some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.—Those who troubled them with false teachings perverted the gospel of Christ. Christ died to redeem all nations from sin. It was a perversion of the gospel to claim that they could not be saved by Christ save through keeping the Jewish law. It was turning them from a sole reliance in Christ back to the Jewish law.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, should preach unto you any gospel other than that which we preached unto you, let him be anathema.—Paul's claim was that the gospel as he had preached it was complete, absolute, and final, and if he himself, or even an angel from heaven, should preach another gospel than that he had preached, let him be accursed.
You and I teach different gospels. One of us is accursed.
You have proven that by your own example
No, you twist your scripture (Like Eph. 2:9) to make it any works, when it means the Jewish Law, you have to so you can justify your man made doctrine otherwise James makes your house of cards fall, you folks would love it if the book of James never made it into the canon
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I see no word law in their. I see works.
What kind are they? works of the law, or works of any kind?
Ephesians 2:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Can anyone boast of being baptized?? Yes (I have seen it many times)
Can anyone boast about giving to the poor (Yes, I see it all the time)
Can anyone boast of going to church weekly? (Yes I see it all the time)
Can anyone boast of serving their brothers in Christ? (yes, Again I have seen it, even been tempted by it myself)
Can anyone boast of ______ (Insert any work of righteousness you can think of) Yes..ANythign we physically do, we can boast, or take credit..
Concerning abraham.
Could he boast of sactrificing his son? Yes
Could he boast of leaving his family and going long distance to a new land? YES
Could he boast of having a child when he was well above the age of childbearing? Yes
Could he boast of ____ (insert any work Abraham ever did) Yes.
Yet paul says this
Rom 4:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Nice try, But you again are adding the word law to Pauls words. Shame Shame
What kind are they? works of the law, or works of any kind?
Ephesians 2:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]not of works, lest anyone should boast.
Can anyone boast of being baptized?? Yes (I have seen it many times)
Can anyone boast about giving to the poor (Yes, I see it all the time)
Can anyone boast of going to church weekly? (Yes I see it all the time)
Can anyone boast of serving their brothers in Christ? (yes, Again I have seen it, even been tempted by it myself)
Can anyone boast of ______ (Insert any work of righteousness you can think of) Yes..ANythign we physically do, we can boast, or take credit..
Concerning abraham.
Could he boast of sactrificing his son? Yes
Could he boast of leaving his family and going long distance to a new land? YES
Could he boast of having a child when he was well above the age of childbearing? Yes
Could he boast of ____ (insert any work Abraham ever did) Yes.
Yet paul says this
Rom 4:
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God.
Nice try, But you again are adding the word law to Pauls words. Shame Shame
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The penalty of sin is death/ How can ANY work you do (whether it be the works of the law. The works of faith, Or even the work of baptism) Pay your sin debt, when the penalty of sin is death.
God did not say the penalty of sin is death and being baptised. So how can you be acquitted of sin by being baptized?
Do you not understand the rules of law?
1, A crime is commited.
2. The law is searched, to prove a crime was commited, and to show what the penalty is to be imposed for that particular crime?
3. Once the penalty is paid in full. The person is realeased from his debt to society?
God did not say the penalty of sin is death and being baptised. So how can you be acquitted of sin by being baptized?
Do you not understand the rules of law?
1, A crime is commited.
2. The law is searched, to prove a crime was commited, and to show what the penalty is to be imposed for that particular crime?
3. Once the penalty is paid in full. The person is realeased from his debt to society?
Here is what Paul said:
Galatians 1:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
[HR][/HR] Galatians 1:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Sorry, it is you that preaches a different gospel, you make the Jewish Law Paul speaks of, all (any) works... that is not what the Gospel of Christ says.
Baptism is done by disciples, commanded by Christ:
Mark 16:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. [SUP]16 [/SUP]He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
well, yours doesn't seem to match the one in the bible, sooo?
Galatians 1:8 (NKJV)
[SUP]8 [/SUP]But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed.
[HR][/HR] Galatians 1:9 (NKJV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP]As we have said before, so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed.
Sorry, it is you that preaches a different gospel, you make the Jewish Law Paul speaks of, all (any) works... that is not what the Gospel of Christ says.
Baptism is done by disciples, commanded by Christ:
Mark 16:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. [SUP]16 [/SUP]He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.
well, yours doesn't seem to match the one in the bible, sooo?