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The Trinity is the one God who shows us his heart by El Shaddai
He is all sufficient in himself and gives us all we need to know him by the way he has reviled himself to us. Through manifesting himself to us in the father , the son and the holy spirit

The Hebrew letter for El Shaddai is Shin looks somewhat like a letter W the tree parts show the Godhead.

Will of the father , the work of the son and the witness of the Holy Spirit.
Shilo

[FONT=&quot]Herewith a document on many aspects, Trinity, Salvation Plan, Jesus Christ's path, The Law of God, True Love to God and the Sabbath.
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Hi there, I am 62 years old with a lot, still not enough, of Biblical knowledge which I have gathered over the years. My studies began when I realized how many different 'Truths' their are for one thing. God is the same forever, why would one church claim that their teachings' are right and the other churches' teachings are wrong. How can two different teaching be the same thing and then claim it comes from the same God and then walk around saying that we are all praying to the same God. This cannot be true. With this mighty tool in my hand, I will discuss a few issues that many people always wondered about and could not find the true answer. The information that I will pass on to you will be information that I have gathered over many years as an individual deep delver into all the teachings out there. I will endeavor to pass only the Truth and I am always willing to change my views if you out there could provide the proof from the Bible, the only source that I use. I do not attend any church on a regular basis and is not a member of any church.

In the beginning only God existed as the only Holy Spirit. He then created Jesus Christ as His only Son, also the first created being. Jesus was a God, just as His Father and also a Holy Spirit. So, there were two Holy Spirits in heaven. He also created angels. After some time, a third of the angels rebelled against God and there was war in heaven. Jesus Christ and His angels fought against Satan and his angels and Jesus Christ won the war. Satan and his angels were cast onto this earth. The earth was still in a mess, ie. the water was not separated from the earth etc. Jesus Christ got the instruction from God to create the earth etc. and Jesus then proceeded to create the earth, animals, plants etc. and eventually Adam and Eve. This was done in 7 literal days and not 7 periods.

Satan immediately started with his deception etc. to destroy God's newest addition to His family, Adam and Eve and Satan achieved it by getting them to sin. God was very upset about this but luckily for us, God already had a Salvation Plan in place for His children to be saved. The plan was for Jesus to come to this earth to tell the people about God and to get them to follow Jesus and become children of God. But that also meant that Jesus had to give up His Godly status and to become totally man. This means that only one Holy Spirit was left in Heaven.

Mankind started filling this earth and sin grew by the day. Eventually this earth was full of sin and God was very upset. This was round about two thousand years after creation. The big flood occurred and most of mankind was destroyed. Only Noah and his family plus the animals God selected were saved.

The earth became filled up with people again and there were a lot of sin. God then decided to send His Son Jesus Christ to this earth. This was also round about two thousand years after the big flood.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up as a carpenter but also studied the written Word of God. He made sure that the written Word was in line with God's Truth as He obviously knew what was right and wrong. With the same Word, He taught many people the Truth and who God really is. He also demonstrated the power of God by healing the sick and even raised people from the dead.

You may now ask, how is it possible for a man to do these miracles. Well, God gave Jesus healing powers when He was baptized by John the baptist. So, it was the power of the Holy Spirit, which was God at that stage, that worked through Jesus Christ, that healed mankind. Jesus was only a tool that God used. There was NO other Holy Spirit on this world.

Jesus also had to teach mankind what real love is. Love towards God and towards your neighbours. A lot of people do not realize that this love is not just a warm feeling inside you. God's love is measurable. God gave His requirements to Adam and Eve already but at mount Sinai He wrote His requirements on two stone tablets and gave it to Moses. That was the Will of God or otherwise known as the Law of God or the Ten Commandments. You see, if you steal or murder someone, you show your hate towards that person but if you do not steal or murder, you show your love towards your neighbour.
The first four Commandments refer to the love towards God and the last six Commandments, the love towards your neighbour. The churches love to read these two Commandments on Sundays but do not explain the Truth within it. There will be huge financial implications in their lives if they do so.

A lot of churches today advocate that upholding God's Law, or the Will of God is not necessary anymore. It is so far from the truth. The old laws regarding circumcision, meat preparations, special Sabbaths etc. were abolished with the death of Jesus Christ, but the upholding of God's Law is still valid today. Jesus Christ held God's Law and we are instructed in His Word, that we need to uphold the Law of God until Jesus comes again. Yes, that is until Jesus Christ comes on a cloud again to collect the Saved ones, also referred to as the First Coming.

Now, most of the churches ignores one commandment of God. That is the fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath.
There is nobody on the earth that will provide me proof from the original Bible, that today's Sabbath is Sunday. Anybody who has such proof, must provide it to me and he/she will be US$50000 richer and if you cannot do that, please donate only US$10 to this web-site. I challenge all the priests, pastors and ministers of all churches to provide me with this proof. I do not want a theory based on events or what someone has said, I want the verse that quotes the fact that the Sabbath is the Sunday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation till now. The seventh day, thousands of years ago is still the seventh day today. It is similar to a clock with the the 12 at the top.

Where did the confusion come in you may ask. Well, about 325AD, there was a Roman Emperor with the name of Constantine, also the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who brought the hour of worship on a Sunday to cater for those people who were sun-god-worshippers and changed to Christian worshipping, which meant that they could just change venues like one who would change from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church on the same day. This usage became the norm and now, about 2000 years later, people don't realize the importance of the subtle change that Satan has implemented. Yes, Satan got it right to change God's law without people realizing it today, and that he did by using the church. Yes, most of the churches today advocate and teach that Sunday is the Sabbath day whilst Saturday is the true Sabbath day.

Now, coming back to the Law or Will of God, Jesus Christ and a lot of His disciples confirmed that if you Love God, you will obey ALL His commandments. That is the basis of true Godly love. If you ignore this fact, there is no hope for you. This is very serious. God forgives upon true repentence and only after you have done His Will. Are you one of them? Are you really repenting the breaking of the true Sabbath? Just remember, Jesus Christ held the Sabbath and He told people that if you love God, you must OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. That is the Truth, nothing more and nothing less.

What about the person who holds all the laws but do not believe in God or Jesus Christ you may ask. I doubt if anybody will uphold God's Laws and at the same time not believe in God. The first requirement to become a child of God is to accept Jesus Christ as God's Son and to believe and trust Him with your whole heart, sole and mind. Then you need to show and live your love towards God and your neigbour by upholding God's Law. If you do not fulfill this requirement, I do believe that the person who do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, will not be saved. For the person who believes and trust in Jesus Christ and God, it will not be a burden to obey the Commandments as you will enjoy doing it because you will know in your heart that you are doing what God wants you to do and you will be a better person and that salvation is possible for you.

When Jesus accomplished all the deeds that God gave Him on this earth, He had to sacrifice His life to enable mankind to be saved. Yes, Jesus took upon His shoulders all the sin of this world when He died on the cross as our Saviour. How great is that to know that we can still be saved from all our sins. We need to repent, repent and repent and to believe and trust in Jesus Christ and God.

Jesus Christ was resurrected by God and only when He went to sit on the right hand side of God, did the Holy Spirit exist on this world. I believe, that is the time when God gave Jesus Christ some of His Godly powers that He had before He gave up His deity status, back to Him which included Omnipotence, that is the ability to be in heaven and at the same time to be on this earth as the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be." Jesus, as the true Holy Spirit, and not another person, will be amongst us.

This also solves the problem that I had with the Two Thrones in the New Jerusalem and not Three. The fact that Jesus Christ as the High Priest and still man, and God as the Holy Spirit, will be amongst their own people in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for a third throne for a third Holy Spirit. That also clears the matter of the Trinity concept and teaching which is not true.

Well, I hope and believe that somebody out there has learnt something valuable. This is a summary of many years of studies. It is free and there is no charge. It is not everyday that you will receive something for nothing. Enjoy the reading and feel free to write to me if you feel that I have overstepped.

I thank you for your time and patience to read through this document. If you are really earnest in your search of the Real Truth, God will open your eyes to see it. Believe and Trust in Him. That is the only path.

I have given you what I believe is the real Truth and I pray that God will bless you with this knowledge.


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Mar 2, 2013
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After all limited dimensional arguments of the cerebral cortex about the infinite dimension of God and all His creation and heavens, cannot one humbly admit that it is way beyond the mind to comprehend whichever one believes? If you have not been there to witness God in heaven how can you be an expert? How can you say i see and know the precise absolute details and then can explain it, O I know about reading and knowledge but , if you have a strong belief from what you read then believe it until you are face to face with God then you may be corrected or you may rejoice, keep your faith in your belief or your experience in these great amazing ideas and concepts about God that you have and Love Him in them. Some of the most profound and simple children who have had an experience of leaving this earth and were returned revived testify to real persons and the great love they received from them one i will recommend is Colton Burpo Heaven is for Real and you are going to really like it. After all your limited knowledge of cogitate thought of the infinite heavens and God cannot supersede the infinite experience of being there. What importance is my belief in this matter to try to dictate or tell someone else? I would rather be silent and let them experience for their self because I know I am not capable of revealing to them God or His Son or His Holy Spirit, but I can lead them to Jesus so let Jesus reveal to them what He wants.
AgapeSpiritEyes

[FONT=&quot]Herewith a document on many aspects, Trinity, Salvation Plan, Jesus Christ's path, The Law of God, True Love to God and the Sabbath.

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Hi there, I am 62 years old with a lot, still not enough, of Biblical knowledge which I have gathered over the years. My studies began when I realized how many different 'Truths' their are for one thing. God is the same forever, why would one church claim that their teachings' are right and the other churches' teachings are wrong. How can two different teaching be the same thing and then claim it comes from the same God and then walk around saying that we are all praying to the same God. This cannot be true. With this mighty tool in my hand, I will discuss a few issues that many people always wondered about and could not find the true answer. The information that I will pass on to you will be information that I have gathered over many years as an individual deep delver into all the teachings out there. I will endeavor to pass only the Truth and I am always willing to change my views if you out there could provide the proof from the Bible, the only source that I use. I do not attend any church on a regular basis and is not a member of any church.

In the beginning only God existed as the only Holy Spirit. He then created Jesus Christ as His only Son, also the first created being. Jesus was a God, just as His Father and also a Holy Spirit. So, there were two Holy Spirits in heaven. He also created angels. After some time, a third of the angels rebelled against God and there was war in heaven. Jesus Christ and His angels fought against Satan and his angels and Jesus Christ won the war. Satan and his angels were cast onto this earth. The earth was still in a mess, ie. the water was not separated from the earth etc. Jesus Christ got the instruction from God to create the earth etc. and Jesus then proceeded to create the earth, animals, plants etc. and eventually Adam and Eve. This was done in 7 literal days and not 7 periods.

Satan immediately started with his deception etc. to destroy God's newest addition to His family, Adam and Eve and Satan achieved it by getting them to sin. God was very upset about this but luckily for us, God already had a Salvation Plan in place for His children to be saved. The plan was for Jesus to come to this earth to tell the people about God and to get them to follow Jesus and become children of God. But that also meant that Jesus had to give up His Godly status and to become totally man. This means that only one Holy Spirit was left in Heaven.

Mankind started filling this earth and sin grew by the day. Eventually this earth was full of sin and God was very upset. This was round about two thousand years after creation. The big flood occurred and most of mankind was destroyed. Only Noah and his family plus the animals God selected were saved.

The earth became filled up with people again and there were a lot of sin. God then decided to send His Son Jesus Christ to this earth. This was also round about two thousand years after the big flood.

Jesus was born in Bethlehem and grew up as a carpenter but also studied the written Word of God. He made sure that the written Word was in line with God's Truth as He obviously knew what was right and wrong. With the same Word, He taught many people the Truth and who God really is. He also demonstrated the power of God by healing the sick and even raised people from the dead.

You may now ask, how is it possible for a man to do these miracles. Well, God gave Jesus healing powers when He was baptized by John the baptist. So, it was the power of the Holy Spirit, which was God at that stage, that worked through Jesus Christ, that healed mankind. Jesus was only a tool that God used. There was NO other Holy Spirit on this world.

Jesus also had to teach mankind what real love is. Love towards God and towards your neighbours. A lot of people do not realize that this love is not just a warm feeling inside you. God's love is measurable. God gave His requirements to Adam and Eve already but at mount Sinai He wrote His requirements on two stone tablets and gave it to Moses. That was the Will of God or otherwise known as the Law of God or the Ten Commandments. You see, if you steal or murder someone, you show your hate towards that person but if you do not steal or murder, you show your love towards your neighbour.
The first four Commandments refer to the love towards God and the last six Commandments, the love towards your neighbour. The churches love to read these two Commandments on Sundays but do not explain the Truth within it. There will be huge financial implications in their lives if they do so.

A lot of churches today advocate that upholding God's Law, or the Will of God is not necessary anymore. It is so far from the truth. The old laws regarding circumcision, meat preparations, special Sabbaths etc. were abolished with the death of Jesus Christ, but the upholding of God's Law is still valid today. Jesus Christ held God's Law and we are instructed in His Word, that we need to uphold the Law of God until Jesus comes again. Yes, that is until Jesus Christ comes on a cloud again to collect the Saved ones, also referred to as the First Coming.

Now, most of the churches ignores one commandment of God. That is the fourth commandment regarding the Sabbath.
There is nobody on the earth that will provide me proof from the original Bible, that today's Sabbath is Sunday. Anybody who has such proof, must provide it to me and he/she will be US$50000 richer and if you cannot do that, please donate only US$10 to this web-site. I challenge all the priests, pastors and ministers of all churches to provide me with this proof. I do not want a theory based on events or what someone has said, I want the verse that quotes the fact that the Sabbath is the Sunday. The seven day cycle has never changed from creation till now. The seventh day, thousands of years ago is still the seventh day today. It is similar to a clock with the the 12 at the top.

Where did the confusion come in you may ask. Well, about 325AD, there was a Roman Emperor with the name of Constantine, also the head of the Roman Catholic Church, who brought the hour of worship on a Sunday to cater for those people who were sun-god-worshippers and changed to Christian worshipping, which meant that they could just change venues like one who would change from the Baptist Church to the Methodist Church on the same day. This usage became the norm and now, about 2000 years later, people don't realize the importance of the subtle change that Satan has implemented. Yes, Satan got it right to change God's law without people realizing it today, and that he did by using the church. Yes, most of the churches today advocate and teach that Sunday is the Sabbath day whilst Saturday is the true Sabbath day.

Now, coming back to the Law or Will of God, Jesus Christ and a lot of His disciples confirmed that if you Love God, you will obey ALL His commandments. That is the basis of true Godly love. If you ignore this fact, there is no hope for you. This is very serious. God forgives upon true repentence and only after you have done His Will. Are you one of them? Are you really repenting the breaking of the true Sabbath? Just remember, Jesus Christ held the Sabbath and He told people that if you love God, you must OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. That is the Truth, nothing more and nothing less.

What about the person who holds all the laws but do not believe in God or Jesus Christ you may ask. I doubt if anybody will uphold God's Laws and at the same time not believe in God. The first requirement to become a child of God is to accept Jesus Christ as God's Son and to believe and trust Him with your whole heart, sole and mind. Then you need to show and live your love towards God and your neigbour by upholding God's Law. If you do not fulfill this requirement, I do believe that the person who do not believe in God and Jesus Christ, will not be saved. For the person who believes and trust in Jesus Christ and God, it will not be a burden to obey the Commandments as you will enjoy doing it because you will know in your heart that you are doing what God wants you to do and you will be a better person and that salvation is possible for you.

When Jesus accomplished all the deeds that God gave Him on this earth, He had to sacrifice His life to enable mankind to be saved. Yes, Jesus took upon His shoulders all the sin of this world when He died on the cross as our Saviour. How great is that to know that we can still be saved from all our sins. We need to repent, repent and repent and to believe and trust in Jesus Christ and God.

Jesus Christ was resurrected by God and only when He went to sit on the right hand side of God, did the Holy Spirit exist on this world. I believe, that is the time when God gave Jesus Christ some of His Godly powers that He had before He gave up His deity status, back to Him which included Omnipotence, that is the ability to be in heaven and at the same time to be on this earth as the Holy Spirit. That is why Jesus said, "When two or more are gathered in My Name, there I will be." Jesus, as the true Holy Spirit, and not another person, will be amongst us.

This also solves the problem that I had with the Two Thrones in the New Jerusalem and not Three. The fact that Jesus Christ as the High Priest and still man, and God as the Holy Spirit, will be amongst their own people in the New Jerusalem, there will be no need for a third throne for a third Holy Spirit. That also clears the matter of the Trinity concept and teaching which is not true.

Well, I hope and believe that somebody out there has learnt something valuable. This is a summary of many years of studies. It is free and there is no charge. It is not everyday that you will receive something for nothing. Enjoy the reading and feel free to write to me if you feel that I have overstepped.

I thank you for your time and patience to read through this document. If you are really earnest in your search of the Real Truth, God will open your eyes to see it. Believe and Trust in Him. That is the only path.

I have given you what I believe is the real Truth and I pray that God will bless you with this knowledge.


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To the Jewish mind, "one God" meant a single , individual, or solitary divine Person. For the Greek, "one God" meant indivisible, simple essence, not subject to partition or liable to change. For the Christian mind, "one God" came to mean three Persons utterly together. This is the point of capital importance. "One" undergoes a dramatic shift from an individual thing to relational togetherness or union. The sharing between the Father and Son in the Spirit is so deep and genuine, the intimacy so real and personal;, that our minds are forced to move even beyond the rich notion of face-to-face fellowship into the world of mutual indwelling and union. The relationship of the Son and the Father in the Spirit is a living and unobstructed fellowship of love of the deepest order. They know one another fully. They live a fellowship of unqualified personal interchange and communion in the Spirit, which is so flawless, so rich and thorough and true, taht there is literal mutual indwelling. The Persons pass into one another and contain one another without losing themselves. When one weeps, the other tastes salt, yet they never get so entangled or enmeshed that they lose themselves and become one another. The beautiful word perichoresis (peri-co-ray-sis) my favorite theological word, says both things at once. Perichoresis means mutual indwelling, or interpenetration, without loss of individuality: "The doctrine of the perichoresis links together in a brilliant way the threeness and unity, without reducing the threeness to the unity, or dissolving the unity in the threeness."

C. Baxter Kruger, PH.D, The Shack Revisited, P 112-113
 
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It is no mystery. Christ came through the seed of Adam, who was a son of God. Christ is the seed of God through Adam after the flesh. He is the spirit of God dwelling in a flesh body and is the Holy Ghost, all one. Satan knew that Christ would come through the seed (descendants) of Adam and that is why Satan tried to mongrelize that same seed repeatedly, to thwart God's plan.
 
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As I recommended to another poster: Do not write a book, get to the point without all the detail. You can always add other thoughts at a later time. People that say they are giving me the truth, seldom actually have it, but instead, have conjured up something they believe is true in their own minds, without documentation.
 
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I care not about the "Jewish Mind". Or the "Greek Mind" or anyone else's "Mind" I concentrate on what Christ Himself taught, and so should any like minded Christian. Stop posting B.S.
 
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It is no mystery. Christ came through the seed of Adam, who was a son of God. Christ is the seed of God through Adam after the flesh. He is the spirit of God dwelling in a flesh body and is the Holy Ghost, all one. Satan knew that Christ would come through the seed (descendants) of Adam and that is why Satan tried to mongrelize that same seed repeatedly, to thwart God's plan.
No........
 

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Just simply call the Godhead what God has given to us to call His Godhead simply but the Godhead
 
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I care not about the "Jewish Mind". Or the "Greek Mind" or anyone else's "Mind" I concentrate on what Christ Himself taught, and so should any like minded Christian. Stop posting B.S.
I do hope that God disturbs you today. This goes for everyone.
 
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To the Jewish mind, "one God" meant a single , individual, or solitary divine Person. For the Greek, "one God" meant indivisible, simple essence, not subject to partition or liable to change. For the Christian mind, "one God" came to mean three Persons utterly together. This is the point of capital importance. "One" undergoes a dramatic shift from an individual thing to relational togetherness or union. The sharing between the Father and Son in the Spirit is so deep and genuine, the intimacy so real and personal;, that our minds are forced to move even beyond the rich notion of face-to-face fellowship into the world of mutual indwelling and union. The relationship of the Son and the Father in the Spirit is a living and unobstructed fellowship of love of the deepest order. They know one another fully. They live a fellowship of unqualified personal interchange and communion in the Spirit, which is so flawless, so rich and thorough and true, taht there is literal mutual indwelling. The Persons pass into one another and contain one another without losing themselves. When one weeps, the other tastes salt, yet they never get so entangled or enmeshed that they lose themselves and become one another. The beautiful word perichoresis (peri-co-ray-sis) my favorite theological word, says both things at once. Perichoresis means mutual indwelling, or interpenetration, without loss of individuality: "The doctrine of the perichoresis links together in a brilliant way the threeness and unity, without reducing the threeness to the unity, or dissolving the unity in the threeness."

C. Baxter Kruger, PH.D, The Shack Revisited, P 112-113
Succinct and well reasoned, though I prefer the Athanasian Creed.
 
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I really want to get in on this discussion, but i have to move away from the computer for a bit............I'll leave something to ponder..........When the bible speaks of marriage, and "two becoming one"....how does that work?


I'll be back. :)
but Jesus didnt become one with God
 
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As the Trinity is a big problem in the churches today, I have tried to put the whole subject into perspective. Please bear with me. I cannot sum it up in one sentence. Go through this lengthy document that I have compiled and ask God to assist you with wisdom to understand His Word. When you go through it, just forget for a while what you have been taught in the church as they themselves do not understand but try to look intelligent. Once you understand what I have written, it will be as clear as daylight to you. Enjoy.

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[FONT=&quot]The time is now, where people turn their ears from the truth and follow fables.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]2 Tim 4:3-5 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” Isn’t this just what is happening all over the world in our churches today?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Col[/FONT][FONT=&quot] 1: 15[/FONT][FONT=&quot] [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Who is the image of the invisible God[/FONT][FONT=&quot], the firstborn of every creature.” [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Here it refers to Jesus and is proof that Jesus was the first born, even before the creation of earth and mankind which means that He was with God. That is the only place He could be namely with His Father God. As Jesus is God’s son, it can only mean that Jesus Christ is also a God, just like His Father. The following verse confirms this.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]Joh 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Godhead consist of TWO only.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Zech 6:12-13 “And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and shall build the temple of the Lord: Even he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.Here we can see clearly that God talks about Jesus Christ and that the counsel of peace will consist of two, the term ‘both’ is used, and not ‘us’ or ‘three’ as per the Trinity teaching.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Luke saw that the Godhead consist of TWO. He also confirms that Jesus is a man.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Luke, the author of Acts, saw only Jesus, the Son of man, on the right hand side of God. He saw the glory of ‘God’ but not God Himself because God is the only Holy Spirit left behind. If there were a third entity, a separate Holy Spirit, Luke would have mentioned it. Jesus also confirms to us that nobody has seen God face to face but Himself.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus would have mentioned the separate Holy Spirit if there was one.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Joh 14:23 “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” Jesus confirms that He (Spirit of Truth) and God (Holy Spirit) will come unto them that keep Their word. No mention is made of a third entity ie. the Holy Spirit. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]There is only one God and one Lord Jesus Chist.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1 Cor 8:6 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” If there were three Gods, as per the Trinity doctrine, why would Paul confirm here that there’s only One God?[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]The Spirit of Truth receives from Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ receives from God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Joh 16:13-15 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.” Here we clearly see that the Spirit of Truth will receive his information from Jesus Christ, as Jesus Christ receives His information from God. There is a definite ranking order which places God on top, then Jesus Christ and then the Spirit of Truth. As the Spirit of Truth does not speak that he has not been given from Jesus Christ clearly proves that Jesus Christ dictates what is to be said to the people via the Spirit of Truth.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]We can then accept that Jesus Christ is on earth in spirit form as the Spirit of Truth.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Holy Spirit existed on earth ONLY after Jesus Christ was glorified, after resurrection[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Joh 7:39 “But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.This text tells us that the Holy Spirit did not exist on earth until Jesus Christ was resurrected and glorified, ie. Jesus received His omnipotence back which means that whilst He is in heaven He is on earth with us as the Holy spirit or the Spirit of Truth. This also gives more meaning to the following text where Jesus Christ says that where two or more are gathered in His name, He will be there. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus BETWEEN those who gathers in His name.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot] Mat 18:20 “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Jesus Christ confirms here that He, and nobody else, will be on earth amongst those who gathers in His name.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus will be with those that do the things that He commanded them to do until the end of the world.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Mat28:20 “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” Jesus confirms here that He will be with those, who follow His teachings, until the end of the world. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus is our mediator to God. Also proves that Jesus was totally MAN and there’s only ONE God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1 Tim 2-5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” No mention is made of the Holy Spirit; it is also confirmed here that Jesus Christ is ‘Man’. The trinity concept that there are three Gods in heaven is therefore questionable.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus is the believer’s advocate with God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1 Joh 2:1 “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have and advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.” [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]It is fantastic to know that Jesus stands in for us at His Father’s right hand side and that He is the Holy Spirit on this earth right now.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]JESUS AS TOTAL MAN AND NOT A MIX OF GOD AND MAN ON EARTH[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus’ Godly-status in heaven changed to that as SERVANT, in likeness of MAN on earth.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Phil 2:5-7 “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. Here is proof that Jesus Christ had the form of God, and was basically equal with God, but He gave up His Godly status and took up the lowest form of man, and was made servant. A man born from a normal Jewish woman who was pure of heart. He could have sinned as He had a choice whether He wanted to or not but He knew what the consequences of sinning would lead to.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus confirming His initial status with God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Joh 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” Here Jesus Christ prays to God confirming His deity status that He had whilst He was with God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus became archangel.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Rev 12:7-9 “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Jesus took up lower form namely that of an archangel after laying aside His Godly status. Jesus had to fulfil this duty to cast Lucifer, who was the Leading angel, out of heaven.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus took up the form of man.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Phil 2:5-7 “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.” Here is proof that Jesus Christ had the form of God ie. a Holy Spirit, and was basically equal with God, but He gave up His Godly status and took up the lowest form of man, and was made servant. A man born from a normal Jewish woman who was pure of heart. He could have sinned but He had a choice whether He wanted to or not but He knew what the consequences of sinning would lead to.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” In verse 1 we read that the Word was God and verse 14 we read that the Word was made flesh (Man) and dwelt among the people. This confirms that Jesus was God and gave up his Godly status and became man on earth.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus lived as man.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus got hungry.[/FONT][FONT=&quot][/FONT]​
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[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:2 “Being forty days tempted of he devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.” If Jesus Christ was not man He wouldn’t have become hungry.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus was tempted by Satan to sin.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Luke 4:3,5-7, “And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.” ”And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.” Jesus was tempted by Satan to sin. He would not have tempted Jesus if Jesus was still a God but he took the chance as he knew that Jesus was man and had a choice to sin.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus died as man, alone with no link between Him and God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Mark 15:34 “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Jesus cried out to God as He was in a lot of pain on the cross. God was not there for Him in this hour. Jesus died as man, with a lot suffering just before His crucifixion and was then nailed to the cross which was a very excruciating painful procedure. He died a very slow and painful death. . If Jesus was half man and half God, He would not have suffered this agony. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Satan will have some ammunition against God at the final judgement day, if Jesus did not go through this total death of ‘man’. As Satan knows that he is doomed for life and will never experience the good life that he had in heaven, he will use every situation and event to try and get back into heaven. Satan would definitely use the argument that Jesus was not totally man if that was the case. It would therefore also be a bluff to the people on earth if Jesus was half ‘man’ half God. In this case Satan has no hold on God regarding the death of the ‘man’ Jesus Christ. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus was resurrected as ‘man’.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Luke 24:30 “And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.” Verse 42-43 “And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.” Jesus, after being resurrected, broke bread with His disciples. He also ate fish and honeycomb. This was after His resurrection. A spirit cannot break bread or eat any solid food, therefore Jesus was resurrected as ‘man’. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus went up to heaven , as ‘Man’[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Luke 24:51 “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.” This happened just after He broke the bread and ate with His disciples. Jesus was therefore taken up as ‘Man’.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Luke saw that the Godhead consist of TWO. It also confirms that Jesus is a man.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Luke saw the Son of ‘man’, Jesus, on the right hand side of God. [/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]Jesus was totally MAN and there’s only ONE God.[/FONT]
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[FONT=&quot]1 Tim 2-5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Paul confirms here that Jesus Christ is ‘Man’ and that there is only One God.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]SUMMARY[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]There is only One God, the HOLY SPIRIT and One Man Jesus Christ as High Priest on God’s right hand side, and Jesus’ omnipotence as the Holy spirit, NOT A SEPARATE GOD, on this earth. So, the Trinity concept that there are three separate Gods is NOT TRUE. God the Father does exists but Jesus is NOT God. Jesus is man but received His omnipotence back to fulfil the role as the Holy Spirit on this earth. There is NO third separate God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]The Bible has been given to us to understand and is not an undecipherable document like the Da Vinci Codes. If we read the Bible and look at the logical events etc. we will find the truth. We tend to overlook the real facts and then search for the unreal as the Truth.[/FONT]
 
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As the Trinity is a big problem in the churches today, I have tried to put the whole subject into perspective. Please bear with me. I cannot sum it up in one sentence. Go through this lengthy document that I have compiled and ask God to assist you with wisdom to understand His Word. When you go through it, just forget for a while what you have been taught in the church as they themselves do not understand but try to look intelligent. Once you understand what I have written, it will be as clear as daylight to you. Enjoy.

Trinity ??

The time is now, where people turn their ears from the truth and follow fables.

2 Tim 4:3-5 “For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.” Isn’t this just what is happening all over the world in our churches today?
Jesus, the first creation.

Col 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.” Here it refers to Jesus and is proof that Jesus was the first born, even before the creation of earth and mankind which means that He was with God. That is the only place He could be namely with His Father God. As Jesus is God’s son, it can only mean that Jesus Christ is also a God, just like His Father. The following verse confirms this.
Joh 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”


Godhead consist of TWO only.
Zech 6:12-13 “And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the Lord of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The Branch; and he shall grow up out of his place, and shall build the temple of the Lord: Even he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.Here we can see clearly that God talks about Jesus Christ and that the counsel of peace will consist of two, the term ‘both’ is used, and not ‘us’ or ‘three’ as per the Trinity teaching.

Luke saw that the Godhead consist of TWO. He also confirms that Jesus is a man.
Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Luke, the author of Acts, saw only Jesus, the Son of man, on the right hand side of God. He saw the glory of ‘God’ but not God Himself because God is the only Holy Spirit left behind. If there were a third entity, a separate Holy Spirit, Luke would have mentioned it. Jesus also confirms to us that nobody has seen God face to face but Himself.




Jesus would have mentioned the separate Holy Spirit if there was one.

Joh 14:23 “Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.” Jesus confirms that He (Spirit of Truth) and God (Holy Spirit) will come unto them that keep Their word. No mention is made of a third entity ie. the Holy Spirit.

There is only one God and one Lord Jesus Chist.

1 Cor 8:6 “But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.” If there were three Gods, as per the Trinity doctrine, why would Paul confirm here that there’s only One God?

The Spirit of Truth receives from Jesus Christ and Jesus Christ receives from God.
Joh 16:13-15 “Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will show you things to come. He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall show it unto you. All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall show it unto you.” Here we clearly see that the Spirit of Truth will receive his information from Jesus Christ, as Jesus Christ receives His information from God. There is a definite ranking order which places God on top, then Jesus Christ and then the Spirit of Truth. As the Spirit of Truth does not speak that he has not been given from Jesus Christ clearly proves that Jesus Christ dictates what is to be said to the people via the Spirit of Truth.
We can then accept that Jesus Christ is on earth in spirit form as the Spirit of Truth.

Holy Spirit existed on earth ONLY after Jesus Christ was glorified, after resurrection
Joh 7:39 “But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.This text tells us that the Holy Spirit did not exist on earth until Jesus Christ was resurrected and glorified, ie. Jesus received His omnipotence back which means that whilst He is in heaven He is on earth with us as the Holy spirit or the Spirit of Truth. This also gives more meaning to the following text where Jesus Christ says that where two or more are gathered in His name, He will be there.

Jesus BETWEEN those who gathers in His name.
Mat 18:20 “For where two or three are gathered together in my name, there am I in the midst of them.” Jesus Christ confirms here that He, and nobody else, will be on earth amongst those who gathers in His name.

Jesus will be with those that do the things that He commanded them to do until the end of the world.

Mat28:20 “Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world.” Jesus confirms here that He will be with those, who follow His teachings, until the end of the world.

Jesus is our mediator to God. Also proves that Jesus was totally MAN and there’s only ONE God.
1 Tim 2-5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” No mention is made of the Holy Spirit; it is also confirmed here that Jesus Christ is ‘Man’. The trinity concept that there are three Gods in heaven is therefore questionable.

Jesus is the believer’s advocate with God.
1 Joh 2:1 “My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have and advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.”

It is fantastic to know that Jesus stands in for us at His Father’s right hand side and that He is the Holy Spirit on this earth right now.
JESUS AS TOTAL MAN AND NOT A MIX OF GOD AND MAN ON EARTH

Jesus’ Godly-status in heaven changed to that as SERVANT, in likeness of MAN on earth.
Phil 2:5-7 “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men. Here is proof that Jesus Christ had the form of God, and was basically equal with God, but He gave up His Godly status and took up the lowest form of man, and was made servant. A man born from a normal Jewish woman who was pure of heart. He could have sinned as He had a choice whether He wanted to or not but He knew what the consequences of sinning would lead to.

Jesus confirming His initial status with God.
Joh 17:5 “And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.” Here Jesus Christ prays to God confirming His deity status that He had whilst He was with God.

Jesus became archangel.

Rev 12:7-9 “And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels, and prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven. And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Jesus took up lower form namely that of an archangel after laying aside His Godly status. Jesus had to fulfil this duty to cast Lucifer, who was the Leading angel, out of heaven.

Jesus took up the form of man.

Phil 2:5-7 “Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus: Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: but made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men.” Here is proof that Jesus Christ had the form of God ie. a Holy Spirit, and was basically equal with God, but He gave up His Godly status and took up the lowest form of man, and was made servant. A man born from a normal Jewish woman who was pure of heart. He could have sinned but He had a choice whether He wanted to or not but He knew what the consequences of sinning would lead to.

John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” In verse 1 we read that the Word was God and verse 14 we read that the Word was made flesh (Man) and dwelt among the people. This confirms that Jesus was God and gave up his Godly status and became man on earth.

Jesus lived as man.

Jesus got hungry.
Luke 4:2 “Being forty days tempted of he devil. And in those days he did eat nothing: and when they were ended, he afterward hungered.” If Jesus Christ was not man He wouldn’t have become hungry.

Jesus was tempted by Satan to sin.

Luke 4:3,5-7, “And the devil said unto him, If thou be the Son of God, command this stone that it be made bread.” ”And the devil, taking him up into an high mountain, showed unto him all the kingdoms of the world in a moment of time. And the devil said unto him, All this power will I give thee, and the glory of them: for that is delivered unto me; and to whomsoever I will I give it. If thou therefore wilt worship me, all shall be thine.” Jesus was tempted by Satan to sin. He would not have tempted Jesus if Jesus was still a God but he took the chance as he knew that Jesus was man and had a choice to sin.

Jesus died as man, alone with no link between Him and God.

Mark 15:34 “And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eloi, Eloi, lama sabachthani? which is, being interpreted, my God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Jesus cried out to God as He was in a lot of pain on the cross. God was not there for Him in this hour. Jesus died as man, with a lot suffering just before His crucifixion and was then nailed to the cross which was a very excruciating painful procedure. He died a very slow and painful death. . If Jesus was half man and half God, He would not have suffered this agony.

Satan will have some ammunition against God at the final judgement day, if Jesus did not go through this total death of ‘man’. As Satan knows that he is doomed for life and will never experience the good life that he had in heaven, he will use every situation and event to try and get back into heaven. Satan would definitely use the argument that Jesus was not totally man if that was the case. It would therefore also be a bluff to the people on earth if Jesus was half ‘man’ half God. In this case Satan has no hold on God regarding the death of the ‘man’ Jesus Christ.

Jesus was resurrected as ‘man’.
Luke 24:30 “And it came to pass, as he sat at meat with them, he took bread, and blessed it, and brake, and gave to them.” Verse 42-43 “And they gave him a piece of a broiled fish, and of an honeycomb. And he took it, and did eat before them.” Jesus, after being resurrected, broke bread with His disciples. He also ate fish and honeycomb. This was after His resurrection. A spirit cannot break bread or eat any solid food, therefore Jesus was resurrected as ‘man’.

Jesus went up to heaven , as ‘Man’
Luke 24:51 “And it came to pass, while he blessed them, he was parted from them, and carried up into heaven.” This happened just after He broke the bread and ate with His disciples. Jesus was therefore taken up as ‘Man’.

Luke saw that the Godhead consist of TWO. It also confirms that Jesus is a man.
Acts 7:55-56 “But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up steadfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God. And said, Behold, I see the heavens opened, and the Son of man standing on the right hand of God.” Luke saw the Son of ‘man’, Jesus, on the right hand side of God.

Jesus was totally MAN and there’s only ONE God.
1 Tim 2-5 “For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.” Paul confirms here that Jesus Christ is ‘Man’ and that there is only One God.

SUMMARY
There is only One God, the HOLY SPIRIT and One Man Jesus Christ as High Priest on God’s right hand side, and Jesus’ omnipotence as the Holy spirit, NOT A SEPARATE GOD, on this earth. So, the Trinity concept that there are three separate Gods is NOT TRUE. God the Father does exists but Jesus is NOT God. Jesus is man but received His omnipotence back to fulfil the role as the Holy Spirit on this earth. There is NO third separate God.
The Bible has been given to us to understand and is not an undecipherable document like the Da Vinci Codes. If we read the Bible and look at the logical events etc. we will find the truth. We tend to overlook the real facts and then search for the unreal as the Truth.
This is strict apostasy. Jesus was not created. To claim such is to remove yourself from the Body of Christ.
 
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This is strict apostasy. Jesus was not created. To claim such is to remove yourself from the Body of Christ.
You obviously did not read this portion in my document. If God did not create Jesus Christ, who did?

Jesus, the first creation.


Col 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.” Here it refers to Jesus and is proof that Jesus was the first born, even before the creation of earth and mankind which means that He was with God. That is the only place He could be namely with His Father God. As Jesus is God’s son, it can only mean that Jesus Christ is also a God, just like His Father. The following verse confirms this.
Joh 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
 
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This is strict apostasy. Jesus was not created. To claim such is to remove yourself from the Body of Christ.
If you think that this is apostasy, give me your understanding with texts from the Bible to prove otherwise or keep your future opinions for yourself as it is obvious that you like to criticize without having proper proof.
 
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This is how I personally see the Trinity you have God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. In life we have different titles once you are a father you will always be a father. He is God, right? God the father. Once you are a son you are always a son and He still is God. God the Son. God is the Holy Spirit because that is the little small voice we listen to. Prayerfully, nobody else is speaking to you like that. God the Holy Spirit. Nothing changes He is still God He just has multiple names like we have a first, middle, and last name and maybe a nickname.
 
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You obviously did not read this portion in my document. If God did not create Jesus Christ, who did?

Jesus, the first creation.


Col 1: 15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature.” Here it refers to Jesus and is proof that Jesus was the first born, even before the creation of earth and mankind which means that He was with God. That is the only place He could be namely with His Father God. As Jesus is God’s son, it can only mean that Jesus Christ is also a God, just like His Father. The following verse confirms this.
Joh 1:1 “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.”
Jesus Christ is the only begotten Son of God. He is begotten, not created. The verse from Colossians shows that Jesus Christ' birth is anterior to the creation of the world (like your document says). Jesus Christ is the unique Son of God (St. John 3,16) and not the first of a series. The same attribute (prototokos) is given to Jesus Christ in Luke 2,7; my church (the Eastern Orthodox Church) has interpreted the word in the same way: Jesus Christ is the unique son of Mary and not the first of a series.
Also, He is not a God. We do not have three gods, but three persons that are one God.
 
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If you think that this is apostasy, give me your understanding with texts from the Bible to prove otherwise or keep your future opinions for yourself as it is obvious that you like to criticize without having proper proof.
The proof is Jesus proclaiming that He is I AM! He always has been, always is, and always will be. To claim that Christ is created is to deny His words.
 
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This is how I personally see the Trinity you have God the father, God the son, and God the holy spirit. In life we have different titles once you are a father you will always be a father. He is God, right? God the father. Once you are a son you are always a son and He still is God. God the Son. God is the Holy Spirit because that is the little small voice we listen to. Prayerfully, nobody else is speaking to you like that. God the Holy Spirit. Nothing changes He is still God He just has multiple names like we have a first, middle, and last name and maybe a nickname.
This is modalism, a heresy denied in the early Church.
 
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The proof is Jesus proclaiming that He is I AM! He always has been, always is, and always will be. To claim that Christ is created is to deny His words.
Yes. Although God the Father is the cause of God the Son and The Holy Spirit, all three co-exist eternally, just like a fire causes light and heat simultaneously. The fire is the cause of heat and light and yet, you can't say it is anterior to them. So, there was not a time when God the Son or God-the Holy Spirit weren't. God is​.