WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL" )

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

How so though? As I mentioned before, creation would've been tainted by sin if he'd fallen prior to creation or during.

Unless his fall wrecked material creation and Genesis is actually a renovation of what was wrecked by the fall of Lucifer.....There are a few scriptures that do lend credence to the above lines of thought....What did God's spirit brood over in Genesis.....what was already here<------I.E. what God's spirit was brooding over......???

 

[Timeline]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Prophetic yes, but in relation to the past, not the future.

Past for then, past for NT, or past for now? I was talking about similarities with Revelation.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

There is one problem with this logic...

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

It is not a problem....why did not God apply the Good statement to everything as it was made as he did with

Originally Posted by dcontroversal

Chapter 1
Genesis 4...Light Good<--------------------This one
Genesis 6-8 the Firmament called heaven---not directly called Good
Genesis 9-10 Earth called Good<-----------------------This one
Genesis 11-13 grass, herbs etc....called good<--------This one
Genesis 14-18 sun, moon and stars...called Good<--- This one
Geneses 20-21 fish and birds...called Good<-------------This one
Genesis 24-25 animals...called Good<--------------------This one
Genesis 26-30 man......not directly called Good

Although there is a generalized statement calling the things made good as found in verse 31 there is no particular reference in context like the rest of creation concerning the use of Good...

in context as the days of creation play out it is all called good except...

1. The heavens
2. Man

No problem here, but rather a Hint....

So did God contradict himself when he said

NONE GOOD no not ONE
NONE GOOD but GOD

 

[Zinzerio]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

answer to the op satanists get kicked out everyday ? be blessed and have a happy Monday

 

[Timeline]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

answer to the op satanists get kicked out everyday ? be blessed and have a happy Monday

Zin, you are an odd one. But that is okay, I come from an odd family. I may be a bit odd myself.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

There is one problem with this logic...

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

I wanted to add this to my first reply.....the word good has about 20-30 different applications and an addition of the word (very) adds weight as well to the verse....

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

In Rev. though says his time is short and it indicates impending wrath.

yes, it is very short time after this, when he causes the great tribulations and distrsses not seen since the foundation of the world. where christ returns, and he is bound.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

True, but what are you insinuating with these two dot points? God sums up all of creation as "very good", so Satan's influence couldn't have been felt yet in creation. Otherwise it would not be "very good" or even "good".

Lets go with the flip side of the coin....why did God leave out the word Good as applied unto the heavens (where birds fly and where the heavenly bodies revolve) as well as man in the Genesis account unless there is something there to be discovered...God does not mince words and never misses anything....?


Originally Posted by dcontroversal Chapter 1
Genesis 4...Light Good
Genesis 6-8 the Firmament called heaven---not directly called Good
Genesis 9-10 Earth called Good
Genesis 11-13 grass, herbs etc....called good
Genesis 14-18 sun, moon and stars...called Good
Geneses 20-21 fish and birds...called Good
Genesis 24-25 animals...called Good
Genesis 26-30 man......not directly called Good

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Fair enough. Still, Job 38:4-7 seems to indicate that angels were made early on in the creation week.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God (angels) shouted for joy?

sounds to me that they witnessed the foundation (creation) which would show me they were not part of the creation process..

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

How so though? As I mentioned before, creation would've been tainted by sin if he'd fallen prior to creation or during.

Not true.

Adam caused the fall of creation. Satan fell long before this, he was already an enemy of God.

Again, Physical creation vs spiritual creation. Satan and angels would have been the spiritual creation.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

I think like you do (if I read you right earlier) that the Revelation event will come at the end of the age when Satan attempts one last time to over throw heaven......Just my view...right or wrong!

I think this is true, Except I htink it is his last attempt to take over the earth completely. Not heaven, He has no power over heaven.. the world system (cosmos) is still his through, even today.

 

[john832]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

How so though? As I mentioned before, creation would've been tainted by sin if he'd fallen prior to creation or during.

Who did the creating?

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Col 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1Co 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

Why would we think that anything Christ made would be tainted by sin?

This is why we read this...

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Can be translated "became chaos and confusion". Notice the verb is rendered became in several other places.


And wasn't it almost immediately tainted by sin when the Devil came to tempt A & E and they succumbed?

 

[The_highwayman]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

I do not believe Isaiah and Ezekiel's prophecies refer to Satan as they are verifiably fulfilled and mentioning explicitly of very real human people that lived and the prophecies came to pass quite accurately.

The Lucifer=Satan stuff is pop culture misinterpretation I believe. Satan ain't an angel nor was he ever. The dragon only pretends to be an angel for he is a liar. Be not deceived by him and his acolytes who do not even know their own dark master is no more than a psychopathic animal. How Satan killed his own immortality to try to kill all of us, is this not written in the book of Genesis? How the dragon's plot failed and Jesus saved humanity, is this not written in the four Gospels and indeed the entire Bible and all time thereafter?

Where that dragon's seat right now is I know not. I believe it is written God knows even where satan's seat is and also the Lord shall deal with the enemy and cast the dragon into the lake of fire at the end of days.

How could a human person have actual musical instruments built into their body? Better re-check Eze 28.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Not true.

Adam caused the fall of creation. Satan fell long before this, he was already an enemy of God.

Again, Physical creation vs spiritual creation. Satan and angels would have been the spiritual creation.

I agree with this as well because of the following...

1. Material Creation was made, and given to Adam who had the rule over it till he FELL and essentially handed over the creation to Satan<-----He told Jesus it was his to give to whomever he wanted to give it to.....Jesus took back the keys to creation and death from Satan which comes to fruition at the Day of the Lord when he seizes control of all earthly Kingdoms at the 7th trump of revelation!

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

I think this is true, Except I htink it is his last attempt to take over the earth completely. Not heaven, He has no power over heaven.. the world system (cosmos) is still his through, even today.

I would say both as Lucifer attempted to over throw the throne of God...I will ASCEND above the throne of God<---which is in heaven


The tower of Babel....Lets us build a tower that reaches unto HEAVEN.....<---first geo/political/religious unification of humanity under one man worshipped as God......still attempting to overthrow heaven

and the earth as well........

 

[john832]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Not true.

Adam caused the fall of creation. Satan fell long before this, he was already an enemy of God.

Again, Physical creation vs spiritual creation. Satan and angels would have been the spiritual creation.

I believe that the spiritual creation was here LONG before the physical creation. In fact, the spiritual creation was to aid in the physical creation. The short of it...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Man is the purpose of creation. God is making man in His image and likeness.

Heb 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Not yet. Not in our physical form where we are susceptible to sin. After the resurrection we will have all things put under our feet, of course excluding God, just as the Father is excluded from being under Christ's subjection...

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

They angels are to be ministering spirits to man...

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Lucifer (who became Satan) rebelled because he was consumed with pride and self ambition...

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Lucifer became consumed with himself. He became full of pride and arrogance...

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

He determined he would overcome God and become god in His place.

 

[Cobus]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Hey it is easy to deterine if Satan was already here or is still already here.... Why was the Son of God manifested? Who tempted him in the desert? Who decieved Eve? Why did jesus DESTROY the works of the devil? Who is the Devil?

And some say his fall still has to happen.... Let me ask this as there is so much confusion about Job and Job's LACK OF TRUTH...

When God kicked Adam and Eve out, did He let them back in? If god did kick satan out, would He let satan back in? Why would God have NO communion/fellowship/concord with Belial/unrighteousness/darkness, why would He have a talk with satan? He will never speak to satan. NEVER!

Jesus did as man, but Jesus as Father God will NEVER speak to satan, he is done with satan, the next thing Father God will do with satan and the evil angels, is let them have their torment as they pleaded Jesus not to do this with them BEFORE THEIR TIME. The time He would command them into the DEEP! That is when Revelation will be! The Revelation of cast from heaven to the DEEP! On that time.

for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial?

The evil Legio in the man asked Jesus if they could go into the swines.... And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
If Jesus did command them into the deep they would not have gone into the swines....

And look what Jesus says abouth His manifestation... For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 JOhn.

 

[john832]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Hey it is easy to deterine if Satan was already here or is still already here.... Why was the Son of God manifested? Who tempted him in the desert? Who decieved Eve? Why did jesus DESTROY the works of the devil? Who is the Devil?

And some say his fall still has to happen....

Dunno about others but I am not saying his fall is yet to happen, it is history. His barring from appearing before God in the throne room of heaven has yet to happen. When it does, it will be quite apparent...

Rev 12:12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
Rev 12:13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

God's church has yet to see the persecution that will occur at this time.

 

[The_highwayman]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

I believe that the spiritual creation was here LONG before the physical creation. In fact, the spiritual creation was to aid in the physical creation. The short of it...

Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

Man is the purpose of creation. God is making man in His image and likeness.

Heb 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
Heb 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him?
Heb 2:7 Thou madest him a little lower than the angels; thou crownedst him with glory and honour, and didst set him over the works of thy hands:
Heb 2:8 Thou hast put all things in subjection under his feet. For in that he put all in subjection under him, he left nothing that is not put under him. But now we see not yet all things put under him.

Not yet. Not in our physical form where we are susceptible to sin. After the resurrection we will have all things put under our feet, of course excluding God, just as the Father is excluded from being under Christ's subjection...

1Co 15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
1Co 15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
1Co 15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
1Co 15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

They angels are to be ministering spirits to man...

Heb 1:13 But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
Heb 1:14 Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

Lucifer (who became Satan) rebelled because he was consumed with pride and self ambition...

Eze 28:15 Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.
Eze 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.
Eze 28:17 Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.

Lucifer became consumed with himself. He became full of pride and arrogance...

Isa 14:13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
Isa 14:14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.

He determined he would overcome God and become god in His place.

We need to remember Pride was not the original sin of Lucifer. Pride was the manifestation of Lucifer's rebellion and it was his desire to rebel against God that was the iniquity.

 

[Timeline]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Hey it is easy to deterine if Satan was already here or is still already here.... Why was the Son of God manifested? Who tempted him in the desert? Who decieved Eve? Why did jesus DESTROY the works of the devil? Who is the Devil?

And some say his fall still has to happen.... Let me ask this as there is so much confusion about Job and Job's LACK OF TRUTH...

When God kicked Adam and Eve out, did He let them back in? If god did kick satan out, would He let satan back in? Why would God have NO communion/fellowship/concord with Belial/unrighteousness/darkness, why would He have a talk with satan? He will never speak to satan. NEVER!

Jesus did as man, but Jesus as Father God will NEVER speak to satan, he is done with satan, the next thing Father God will do with satan and the evil angels, is let them have their torment as they pleaded Jesus not to do this with them BEFORE THEIR TIME. The time He would command them into the DEEP! That is when Revelation will be! The Revelation of cast from heaven to the DEEP! On that time.

for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness?
2Co 6:15 And what concord hath Christ with Belial?

The evil Legio in the man asked Jesus if they could go into the swines.... And they besought him that he would not command them to go out into the deep.
If Jesus did command them into the deep they would not have gone into the swines....

And look what Jesus says abouth His manifestation... For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1 JOhn.

So you don't believe JOB should be in the bible?