WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL" )

[Timeline]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( " LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Two points to ponder.....

1. Eve was tempted in the Garden which means the tempter had to already be here in his fallen form...
2. Every thing that God made is called good specifically except the HEAVENS<-----The (prince of the power of the air) was already here!

Yes, but in Job we see that Satan has the ability to go back and forth.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.” [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then Satan answered the Lord, “Does Job fear God for nothing? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Have You not made a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him.” So Satan departed from the presence of the Lord.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Yes, but in Job we see that Satan has the ability to go back and forth.

Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The Lord said to Satan, “From where do you come?” Then Satan answered the Lord and said, “From roaming about on the earth and walking around on it.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]The Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered My servant Job? For there is no one like him on the earth, a blameless and upright man, fearing God and turning away from evil.” [SUP]9 [/SUP]Then Satan answered the Lord, “Does Job fear God for nothing? [SUP]10 [/SUP]Have You not made a hedge about him and his house and all that he has, on every side? You have blessed the work of his hands, and his possessions have increased in the land. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But put forth Your hand now and touch all that he has; he will surely curse You to Your face.” [SUP]12 [/SUP]Then the Lord said to Satan, “Behold, all that he has is in your power, only do not put forth your hand on him.” So Satan departed from the presence of the Lord.

I agree......

 

[Timeline]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

In Revelation this ability is taken away and he is stuck here with us.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Hi mate. Where does it say the Heavens were not good?

Chapter 1
Genesis 4...Light Good
Genesis 6-8 the Firmament called heaven---not directly called Good
Genesis 9-10 Earth called Good
Genesis 11-13 grass, herbs etc....called good
Genesis 14-18 sun, moon and stars...called Good
Geneses 20-21 fish and birds...called Good
Genesis 24-25 animals...called Good
Genesis 26-30 man......not directly called Good

Although there is a generalized statement calling the things made good as found in verse 31 there is no particular reference in context like the rest of creation concerning the use of Good...

in context as the days of creation play out it is all called good except...

1. The heavens
2. Man

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

It's not said outright but between Satan's activities on Earth and him presenting himself before God, it's implied that he was no longer a resident of Heaven.

Job 1:6-7
[SUP]6 [/SUP]One day the heavenly beings came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan also came among them. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?” Satan answered the Lord, “From going to and fro on the earth, and from walking up and down on it.”

I think we need to be carefull though. Scripture is clear he still has access today. I the question is when did the act in rev take place. I am prety sure at this event, all access to heaven is cut off. That is why satan knows he has but a short time.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Rev twelve ten (sorry my numbers keys are shot)

And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now xthe salvation andthe power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers1 has been thrown down, ywho accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And zthey have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, forathey loved not their lives beven unto death.>>

Does this not imply that Satan was conquered by the blood of the lamb - so that is to say he was kicked out of heaven after Jesus. He was finally tossed by the blood of the lamb.

Personally I think he had access to both heaven and earth before the war, which would account for Job. He just got kicked out of heaven for good when Christ came?

again, How is he still accusing the bretheren.

Look what that verse says, It says they (basically us) overcame SATAN by the blood of hte lamb. This is still present tense. And satan is still accusing us, Christ at the right hand of God defeating these accusations.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

I think we need to be carefull though. Scripture is clear he still has access today. I the question is when did the act in rev take place. I am prety sure at this event, all access to heaven is cut off. That is why satan knows he has but a short time.

I agree with this assessment.......

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Key words here ladies and gents is (WAS) and (were)<--------which are past tense!

Two points to ponder.....

1. Eve was tempted in the Garden which means the tempter had to already be here in his fallen form...
2. Every thing that God made is called good specifically except the HEAVENS<-----The (prince of the power of the air) was already here!

Yes he is hear. He has been here since before creation. As I htink his fall was before..

But the question is when did the event of rev happen.. Is it the same event?

 

[Tintin]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Chapter 1
Genesis 4...Light Good
Genesis 6-8 the Firmament called heaven---not directly called Good
Genesis 9-10 Earth called Good
Genesis 11-13 grass, herbs etc....called good
Genesis 14-18 sun, moon and stars...called Good
Geneses 20-21 fish and birds...called Good
Genesis 24-25 animals...called Good
Genesis 26-30 man......not directly called Good

Although there is a generalized statement calling the things made good as found in verse 31 there is no particular reference in context like the rest of creation concerning the use of Good...

in context as the days of creation play out it is all called good except...

1. The heavens
2. Man

True, but what are you insinuating with these two dot points? God sums up all of creation as "very good", so Satan's influence couldn't have been felt yet in creation. Otherwise it would not be "very good" or even "good".

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

True, but what are you insinuating with these two dot points? God sums up all of creation as "very good", so Satan's influence couldn't have been felt yet in creation. Otherwise it would not be "very good" or even "good".

I think we need to be careful to separate the physical world from the spiritual.
the heavens in genesis is the physical heavens.
now the question is, when did the spiritual get created, and there abode. and when did the fall of satan actually occure.

 

[crossnote]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Yes, but Revelation covers past, present and future. Past (eg. great dragon and his fallen minions falling to earth), the present and quite a bit of the not to distant future (for the Jews at the time). The last few chapters cover the future still to come.

Yes different views and all that ...amill, preterist, premil etc.etc.but still it's diifficult to reconcile satan falling before the Fall and having him have access in Job then having Jesus say 'I saw satan fall''. eccchhh.

 

[crossnote]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Rev twelve ten (sorry my numbers keys are shot)

And I heard a loud voice in heaven, saying, “Now xthe salvation andthe power and the kingdom of our God and the authority of his Christ have come, for the accuser of our brothers1 has been thrown down, ywho accuses them day and night before our God. 11 And zthey have conquered him by the blood of the Lamb and by the word of their testimony, forathey loved not their lives beven unto death.>>

Does this not imply that Satan was conquered by the blood of the lamb - so that is to say he was kicked out of heaven after Jesus. He was finally tossed by the blood of the lamb.

Personally I think he had access to both heaven and earth before the war, which would account for Job. He just got kicked out of heaven for good when Christ came?

In Rev. though says his time is short and it indicates impending wrath.

 

[john832]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Chapter 1
Genesis 4...Light Good
Genesis 6-8 the Firmament called heaven---not directly called Good
Genesis 9-10 Earth called Good
Genesis 11-13 grass, herbs etc....called good
Genesis 14-18 sun, moon and stars...called Good
Geneses 20-21 fish and birds...called Good
Genesis 24-25 animals...called Good
Genesis 26-30 man......not directly called Good

Although there is a generalized statement calling the things made good as found in verse 31 there is no particular reference in context like the rest of creation concerning the use of Good...

in context as the days of creation play out it is all called good except...

1. The heavens
2. Man

There is one problem with this logic...

Gen 1:31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

 

[Tintin]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

I think we need to be careful to separate the physical world from the spiritual.
the heavens in genesis is the physical heavens.
now the question is, when did the spiritual get created, and there abode. and when did the fall of satan actually occure.

Fair enough. Still, Job 38:4-7 seems to indicate that angels were made early on in the creation week.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God (angels) shouted for joy?

 

[john832]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

I think we need to be careful to separate the physical world from the spiritual.
the heavens in genesis is the physical heavens.
now the question is, when did the spiritual get created, and there abode. and when did the fall of satan actually occure.

Opinions vary, but in reality, this occurred prior to the physical creation of Genesis.

 

[Tintin]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Opinions vary, but in reality, this occurred prior to the physical creation of Genesis.

How so though? As I mentioned before, creation would've been tainted by sin if he'd fallen prior to creation or during.

 

[crossnote]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Luke 10:17-20 The seventy returned with joy, saying, “Lord, even the demons are subject to us in Your name.” [SUP]18 [/SUP]And He said to them, “I was watching Satan fall from heaven like lightning. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Behold, I have given you authority to tread on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing will injure you. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rejoice that your names are recorded in heaven.”

Must have happened about this time or before.

Jesus may have been seeing into the future and foretelling a future event.

 

[Timeline]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Fair enough. Still, Job 38:4-7 seems to indicate that angels were made early on in the creation week.

[SUP]4 [/SUP]“Where were you when I laid the foundation of the earth?
Tell me, if you have understanding.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Who determined its measurements—surely you know!
Or who stretched the line upon it?
[SUP]6 [/SUP]On what were its bases sunk,
or who laid its cornerstone,
[SUP]7 [/SUP]when the morning stars sang together
and all the sons of God (angels) shouted for joy?

Does this not sound prophetic to anyone else. Measurements, stretched the line, cornerstone, morning star....any of this ringing a bell.

 

[Tintin]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Does this not sound prophetic to anyone else. Measurements, stretched the line, cornerstone, morning star....any of this ringing a bell.

Prophetic yes, but in relation to the past, not the future.

 

[dcontroversal]

Re: WHEN DID SATAN GET KICKED OUT OF HEAVEN ???? ( &quot; LET'S GET SCRIPTURAL

Yes he is hear. He has been here since before creation. As I htink his fall was before..

But the question is when did the event of rev happen.. Is it the same event?

I think like you do (if I read you right earlier) that the Revelation event will come at the end of the age when Satan attempts one last time to over throw heaven......Just my view...right or wrong!