SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

[Alligator]

Alli, I need to correct something I said earlier.

There are actually four Gospels in the New Testament.


The Gospel of the Kingdom which was preached by John the Baptist, The Lord Jesus and His Disciples during His Earthly ministry, and that will be preached by Elijah (one of the two witnesses) in the time of Jacob's trouble, as well as by the 144,000 sealed Jews of the twelve tribes of Israel. This Gospel of the Kingdom is not the same Gospel as the Everlasting Gospel.


The Gospel of the Kingdom is for a witness to all the world in the time of Jacob's trouble. And this Gospel will bring the announcement that the time has come to set up the Kingdom of the Messiah. This Gospel will also be bring the great proclamation of the glorious Coming of the Lord Jesus Christ as KING OF KINGS and LORD OF LORDS to occupy the Throne of David. And to regather Israel to the Promised Land.


The Everlasting Gospel which is preached by the Angel (Rev. 14:6), is about Judgment. Therefore this Gospel is different from the Gospel of the Kingdom.

And then the fourth Gospel referenced in the New Testament is the Gospel which Paul warned about, which is called "Another Gospel" (See Gal. 1:6-12; 2 Cor. 11:4). And this gospel is a perversion of the true Gospel.


So these are the Four Gospels mentioned and referenced in the New Testament:


1) The Gospel of the Grace of God (Acts 20:24) which was delivered to Paul, and which Paul referred to as his Gospel (Rom. 2:16; Rom. 16:25; 2 Tim. 2:8). This Gospel of the Grace of God is the Gospel we preach today in the Church Age (1 Cor. 15:1-6).


2) The Gospel of the Kingdom (Matt. 4:23; 9:35; 24:14) which John the Baptist preached first to Israel, the when Jesus came, He preached this Gospel also to Israel along with His twelve chosen Disciples. This Gospel is to bring the glad tidings that God has purposed to set up a Messianic, Jewish Kingdom on this Earth in which Jesus Christ of the seed of David will reign as prophesied in the Gospel account of Luke 1:32-33. And again, this very Gospel will also be preached in the time of Jacob's trouble by Elijah, the 144,000 sealed Jews to all the world for a witness that the Messiah and His Kingdom is soon coming.


3) The Everlasting Gospel (Rev. 14:6) which will only be preached by the Angel (see Rev. 14:6). In fact; this is the only Gospel which an Angel is commisioned to preach. And while the Gospel of the Kingdom is glad tidings about the coming Messianic Kingdom of Christ, the everlasting Gospel will be the glad tidings to Israel, assuring the that their turmoil, distress, and trouble will soon end with the Judgment and Destruction of the anitchrist and false prophet.


4) And again, the fourth gospel mentioned in the New Testament, is what Paul refers to as "another gospel" (2 Cor. 11:4 & Gal. 1:6) which of course is not another, as it is simply a perversion of the true Gospel which Paul refutes and renounces. And this false gospel is preached today by false ministers. Ministers of Satan love to preach this 'gospel' because it adds works to the plan of salvation. And it's dangerous and false system which teaches that faith alone is not enough for salvation.

I don't mean to sound flippant, but now I actually count 98 Gospels. That's how many times the word "Gospel" is used in the bible. It appears that you used this strategy when you found a new listing, just make it another new Gospel. The very scripture you quoted above says there is not another Gospel.

 

[Vaudeville]

which is actually a mischaracterization again of the topic. We are not speaking about doing a sin. We are speaking about permanently falling from the relationship a person enters by which he is being saved.

so, sin doesn't keep you from falling out of your salvation? what does?

 

[Alligator]

There are four Gospels. NOT just one.

Study your Bible. And believe what it teaches.





The context is fellowship. Read the whole passage.

The cleansing from sin is for fellowship. The main purpose and reason why a Christian should confess their sins is so that they will maintain good fellowship with the Lord while on this Earth.

When one gets saved, all their sins have been paid for and taken away. And they are given a new nature. They become a new creature in Christ (2 Cor. 5:17).

But because the Christian still has an old nature (the flesh), at times the Christian may fall into sin, and so these sins which a Christian may commit in his life, is what some call the sins of the saints. A sin which a saint commits needs and must be confessed if that born again child of God wants to maintain good, close and intimate fellowship with God the Father while on this earth, and also with other belivers.

Regardless what you call it, sin is sin, and this passage says if we do not walk in the light, the blood of Christ will no longer cleanse us

 

[Elin]

By the way, the Bible says
THOU SHALT NOT KILL

Luke 3:14 And the soldiers likewise demanded of him, saying, And what shall we do? And he said unto them, Do violence to no man, neither accuse any falsely;


by your picture I see you dont believe the Bible...

The commandment is "Thou shalt not murder."

Killing in self-defense or defense of others is not murder.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Your comments shows just how ignorant you are of scripture. What I stated is NOT universalism which I assume you also do not understand Universalism either.

You have proven over and over you do not understand scripture at all. only your twisted version of it.

Anyone who states all men are saved is a universalist. there are many types. I guess you are one of them.

What I stated is Incarnational.

there was only one incarnation. that was God becoming man. so not what sure what that has to do with everyone being saved.

So I must assume since you did not understand what I stated, you also do not believe in the Incarnation, at least not the content of it. You might use the word, but have no understanding why Christ needed to be Incarnated and what it accomplished.

Yeah I do.

He accomplished the one thing that you and I can never do. He took our penalty in our stted. And because of it, THE OFFER of salvation can be given to all men.

Not like you say, and all men are saved.

You have a lot of study to do on this topic. It is obviously why you do not understand the topic at hand.

more attack.. do you have anything real to say, You have no idea what I know and understand..

Here are some texts that all speak directly to the Incarnation which was to correct the fall of man, the condemnation of death to Adam. Gen 3:19 and confirmed in Rom 5:12.
Heb 2:14-17 explains why Christ needed to be Incarnate, to defeat death the power of Satan. The same death to which Adam was condemned. II Tim 1:10 states this same death that He overcame.
Then in Rom 5:14 it states it is a Gift, the Gift is LIFE to all men Rom 5:18. Paul restates it in I Cor 15:12-22. Also shows that all men will be raised immortal and incorruptible at that resurrection I Cor 15:53.
Paul also states it this way, Christ reconciling the world. II Cor 5:18-19, Rom 3:13-25, Col 1:20, Rom 5:6-10,

Well this goes to show you do not have a comprehension of what is said.

In adam all die. Yes this is correct. In Christ, everying is given th eopportunity to be saved.

This is what happens when you do not study the word of God, but take bits and peaces of it and form your own (or you believe an already formed) doctrine of men.

The penalty of sin is death, The gift of God is eternal life, to ALL WHO BELIEVE.

If one does not recieve the gift, they are still DEAD. there is NO LIFE. NO LIFE equals no salvation.

if you understood this basic fact you would see the flaw in your resoning.

There are only two states mentioned in scripture.

In Adam, Dead

In Christ, Alive

there is no inbetween, If God saved everyone, then the penalty of death has been removed from everyone, and everyone is already made alive in Christ.

Yet you say salvation does not occure till heaven, thus you have dead people being saved, and given the spirit of God as a guarantee of their inheritance.

Sorry, but this is wrong.

I must also asssume that you do not believe in the resurrection of all since that is the result of His Incarnation of giving eternal existance to all men.

No I do not.
1. All Men at ALL times have been eternal beings.
2. ALL men in adam was deamed to suffer eternal death
3. Only those in Christ are offered eternal life.
4. The dead will not be ressurected to life, they will be delivered for judgment, That judgment being eternal death.
5. Only those IN CHRIST are promised to be ressurected to life.

You do not understand the term spiritul death vs spiritual life. You have tons of more study to do. And I would recomend you study yourself. and stop listening to the men you trust, for they have led you astray in untruths.

It is what also makes heaven and hell possible. Without Christ man simply is dissolved by death and returns to dust,

Where do you get this stuff from? Hell was created for satan, It was created the moment he fell. Man was never intended to go there, but it was STILL THERE.

Man chose to go their in their rebellion. They do not follow adam there, Adam will not be their, they follow their father satan there.

Gen 3:19. Even the New Heaven and New Earth is possible because Christ redeemed this world from destruction and death.

That should take you a little while to study. Once you understand salvation, you might better understand our relationship with Christ and what is required of that relationship.

study what? There is nothing there to study.

You are the one who needs to study, to learn what spiritual death means, To learn what salvation means, To learn was being made alive IN CHRIST means.

to learn what ressurection means, To learn who will be ressurected and who will not. To learn who will be delivered for judgment, and who has passed from judgment to life.

 

[Vaudeville]

Which means you have nothing to support your view, nor can refute what scripture actually teaches. The text you quoted clearly states you do not have it, until the end when we will aquire possession of the inheritance.
If God guaranteed your faith, there would be no need for a judgment. You would not need to give an account of your works.

i was talking about God guaranteeing my inheritance, which is eternal life with him.

theres no guarantee everybody in the world is going to have faith. in fact we know the opposite is true. but we are talking about us are we not. i have faith. that faith tells me there is a God who came as man and died for my sin and was buried and rose again and is alive forevermore. my faith tells me that he has guaranteed my salvation, and that he can do it, since it isnt MY WORK but his own. untainted by me.

do i need to work out my salvation. yes. i need to take heed i have heard the right gospel. not a false gospel. i need to be certain i lay aside daily the deeds of the flesh more and more and turn and serve God more and more. and i need to trust and believe that WHEN (not if) i sin and fail, he is there to forgive. period.

when i have truly heard and truly believed, i am truly aware of how badly i need Christ. and i believe what God has said about him. that he came to SAVE.

if God the holy spirit as a GUARANTEE FROM GOD ALMIGHTY is not enough of a guarantee for you, no doubt youre working so hard. that is unbelief.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

in closing, your entire argument is found here:

"Christ keeps His promise, but does man. Can man guarantee HIS FAITH? Find the text that guarantees man's faith. Then you will have made a point."

your works guarantee your faith, right?

i'll go with Paul, and the Holy Spirit being the guarantee of my inheritance. i received that seal when i heard the word of truth and believed in Christ.

Ephesians 1
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him, were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee[a] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,[b] to the praise of his glory.

so long.

amen,

yet he deny's his plan is to stand in front of God on his own merit..

And worse yet, is he thinks God will save him based on his merit.

 

[Vaudeville]

amen,

yet he deny's his plan is to stand in front of God on his own merit..

And worse yet, is he thinks God will save him based on his merit.

Ephesians 1
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him,were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee[a] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,[b] to the praise of his glory.

i think he may not believe Gods word is where faith comes from.
perhaps he doesnt believe the word is living and active, able to save the soul.

2 Timothy 3
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Ephesians 1
13 In him you also, when you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation, and believed in him,were sealed with the promised Holy Spirit, 14 who is the guarantee[a] of our inheritance until we acquire possession of it,[b] to the praise of his glory.

i think he may not believe Gods word is where faith comes from.
perhaps he doesnt believe the word is living and active, able to save the soul.

2 Timothy 3
15 And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.
16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

I think you would be right, he already denys that scripture alone is enough to make one wise for salvation, or to even give us the information necessary to place our faith in Christ.

 

[Elin]

So true.......Paul said if anyone could boast it would be him, but like you said...he counted those things to be but (crap) in light of the righteousness of Christ which comes upon a believer by faith and faith alone!

Didn't know "crap" was so Biblical. . .

 

[notuptome]

Regardless what you call it, sin is sin, and this passage says if we do not walk in the light, the blood of Christ will no longer cleanse us

And yet if we say we have no sin we are liars. 1 John 1:8

I have the Intercessor Who ever liveth to make intercession for me before the Father in heaven.

The blood of Christ reconciles me to God and His blood is better than the blood of calves and goats which need to be done often. Christ is one sacrifice that is eternal and completely efficacious.

You simply underestimate Gods gift of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Cassian]

I don't mean to sound flippant, but now I actually count 98 Gospels. That's how many times the word "Gospel" is used in the bible. It appears that you used this strategy when you found a new listing, just make it another new Gospel. The very scripture you quoted above says there is not another Gospel.

Ah, why would Truth or logic have anything to do with someone trying to develop a theory, or trying to support some other guys theory.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

And yet if we say we have no sin we are liars. 1 John 1:8

I have the Intercessor Who ever liveth to make intercession for me before the Father in heaven.

The blood of Christ reconciles me to God and His blood is better than the blood of calves and goats which need to be done often. Christ is one sacrifice that is eternal and completely efficacious.

You simply underestimate Gods gift of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

and with that the total unfailing, perfect and unwavering love of God to those who he calls his children.

 

[Elin]

tell me what the righteousness of christ is?

Righteousness (justification) of Christ (Ro 5:18-19) is right standing before God
because my sin has been forgiven through faith by grace,
which saves me from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on my sin at the Final Judgment.

do you have it?

You betcha'. . .in spades!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Righteousness (justification) of Christ (Ro 5:18-19) is right standing before God
because my sin has been forgiven through faith by grace,
which saves me from the wrath of God (Ro 5:9) on my sin at the Final Judgment.


You betcha'. . .in spades.

Amen, My righteousness is as filthy bloody rags, Only Gods righteousness can save me..

Not by works of righteousness which I HAVE DONE, but by HIS MERCY, he saved me..

 

[Vaudeville]

And yet if we say we have no sin we are liars. 1 John 1:8

I have the Intercessor Who ever liveth to make intercession for me before the Father in heaven.

The blood of Christ reconciles me to God and His blood is better than the blood of calves and goats which need to be done often. Christ is one sacrifice that is eternal and completely efficacious.

You simply underestimate Gods gift of salvation.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

amen roger. and that is unbelief and fear. God has no pleasure in that.

 

[Elin]

you are decieved

Methinks the pot is calling the kettle black. . .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

amen roger. and that is unbelief and fear. God has no pleasure in that.

the sad part is, They do not fear. Like the pharisees they already think they are ok. They saw Jesus raise a man from the dead, And instead of this scaring the you know what out of them, It caused thenm to get even angrier at him.

One one is blinded by false doctrines, They do not fear. they can not fear what they do not comprehend.

 

[Elin]

You accuse[/QUOTE

I said according to scriptures.......so for breaking the law today how many red heifers will you sacrifice today as you are under the law still......

They too will be as unacceptable as his works, for heifers were not lawful sacrifices.

 

[Vaudeville]

the sad part is, They do not fear. Like the pharisees they already think they are ok. They saw Jesus raise a man from the dead, And instead of this scaring the you know what out of them, It caused thenm to get even angrier at him.

One one is blinded by false doctrines, They do not fear. they can not fear what they do not comprehend.

perhaps. but i think they live in terror.
there is the chance that they are in the deluded state john mentioned (sinless). but overall i think they dont believe, and are afraid of God.