The Holy Spirit and the Supernatural Orb Explored (Scripture Examined)
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As I have said to LT, "anyone can preach the gospel, but few can prove it to be true."
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A wicked generation asks for a sign, and no sign will be given them... except the sign of Jonah.
This was posted by Red33 some time ago:
An independent spirit never learns how to trust in the light of the living God that dwells within the body of Christ. It wants to serve God it's own way with its own parameters primarily at the exclusion of others. An independent spirit makes the claim that it has no need of a local assembly or that any man teach them because they have the Holy Spirit. In a measure that may be true but what about the Spirit that dwells in other believers that are given to the church to teach and preach the word and doctrine? An independent spirit has no need or desire to gather together with others for fellowship or to participate in the work of the ministry. This spirit will worship God in their own way whenever they feel like it. This spirit is not humble and does see the value of submitting to others in the fear of God.
An independent spirit is a first cousin to a critical spirit that often criticizes others who have resisted them. They become reactionary with those who do not treat them with respect or with the honor they feel they deserve. An independent spirit never wants or likes to be corrected because it believes it has everything under control through the sufficiency of its own self knowledge. It has become established in a code of conduct that is not available to the leading of the Spirit in the body of Christ. It always usurps its rights over the rights of others to gain an advantage instead of laying its life down for the sake of others. It always wants to have preeminence in all things instead of taking up a cross and allowing the plan of God to crucify their flesh experientially.
This independent spirit grieves the Holy Spirit and can eventually quench the Spirit in the life of that individual who persists in it, so God has to root out that independent spirit so that they can be meat for the Master's use. First, God has to reveal this spirit by rejecting it through other Spirit-filled believers that are taking up their cross and following Christ by walking in the light. It is usually not verbal but has to do with the presence of God in the midst of His people. God is light and the light that these believers are walking in reveals that independent spirit (and others spirits) that are not from God. God begins to convict and expose these spirits by turning up and intensifying the light. This intensified light comes from the preaching of the word that gives light and understanding and as believers walk in that light they receive more light and that light makes the darkness of these other spirits very uncomfortable to the point of wanting to flee to get away from the light.
That's why some believers that have independent and other spirits don't want to gather themselves with others to be in the midst of God's people or under a pastor-teacher that preaches the light OD God's word. Some love darkness more than they do the light because the light would expose those spirits they have been giving place to, that are not from God. The only way these spirits can be dealt with is through the light in the midst of His body.
An independent spirit never learns how to trust in the light of the living God that dwells within the body of Christ. It wants to serve God it's own way with its own parameters primarily at the exclusion of others. An independent spirit makes the claim that it has no need of a local assembly or that any man teach them because they have the Holy Spirit. In a measure that may be true but what about the Spirit that dwells in other believers that are given to the church to teach and preach the word and doctrine? An independent spirit has no need or desire to gather together with others for fellowship or to participate in the work of the ministry. This spirit will worship God in their own way whenever they feel like it. This spirit is not humble and does see the value of submitting to others in the fear of God.
An independent spirit is a first cousin to a critical spirit that often criticizes others who have resisted them. They become reactionary with those who do not treat them with respect or with the honor they feel they deserve. An independent spirit never wants or likes to be corrected because it believes it has everything under control through the sufficiency of its own self knowledge. It has become established in a code of conduct that is not available to the leading of the Spirit in the body of Christ. It always usurps its rights over the rights of others to gain an advantage instead of laying its life down for the sake of others. It always wants to have preeminence in all things instead of taking up a cross and allowing the plan of God to crucify their flesh experientially.
This independent spirit grieves the Holy Spirit and can eventually quench the Spirit in the life of that individual who persists in it, so God has to root out that independent spirit so that they can be meat for the Master's use. First, God has to reveal this spirit by rejecting it through other Spirit-filled believers that are taking up their cross and following Christ by walking in the light. It is usually not verbal but has to do with the presence of God in the midst of His people. God is light and the light that these believers are walking in reveals that independent spirit (and others spirits) that are not from God. God begins to convict and expose these spirits by turning up and intensifying the light. This intensified light comes from the preaching of the word that gives light and understanding and as believers walk in that light they receive more light and that light makes the darkness of these other spirits very uncomfortable to the point of wanting to flee to get away from the light.
That's why some believers that have independent and other spirits don't want to gather themselves with others to be in the midst of God's people or under a pastor-teacher that preaches the light OD God's word. Some love darkness more than they do the light because the light would expose those spirits they have been giving place to, that are not from God. The only way these spirits can be dealt with is through the light in the midst of His body.
So we have the supernatural orb appearing before Ezekiel with Father God and Cherubim as in Ezekiel 1:15-21. We have Father God inspiring a young modern day artistic genius to paint "live bubbles" through a dream. We have seen the supernatural orb descending like a dove as in Mathews 3:16. Also, hovering like the Spirit of God over the face of the waters as in Genesis 1:2. And we have seen the supernatural orb bearing witness as the Spirit of truth, as it is written in John 5:6 and glorifying Christ as in John 16:13.
historically in art the bubble is a symbol of vanitas - human vanity. it is representational in religious art of the brevity of life and the futility of human thought and action. this is well established in the history of Christian art.
example:
"Vanitas Still Life” by Jacques De Gheyn The Elder, 1603
above the bubble is an inscription: HVMANA VANA
that is, "HUMAN VANITY"
example:
"Vanitas Still Life” by Jacques De Gheyn The Elder, 1603
above the bubble is an inscription: HVMANA VANA
that is, "HUMAN VANITY"
God has literally helped me with this thread. God knows that I speak the truth. Here we have another zealot who believes because he and a few other erring Christians' disagree with this thread that God is going to reject me and I'm going to hell on account of it all. This is insulting and utter BS. Try being a little nicer next time troll.
Please pay close attention to the following. The Holy Spirit Himself taught me this. This is perfect discernment of the Spirit.
Notice how the supernatural orb resembles an eyeball:
1 John 5:6 And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.
The photograph above is the Spirit of truth looking directly at the camera man and bearing witness to him taking the photograph.
Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience bearing witness in the Holy Spirit.
Notice how the supernatural orb resembles an eyeball:
1 John 5:6 And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth.
The photograph above is the Spirit of truth looking directly at the camera man and bearing witness to him taking the photograph.
Romans 9:1 I tell the truth in Christ, I am not lying, my conscience bearing witness in the Holy Spirit.
The Holy Spirit Glorifies Christ
John 16:13 However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth; for He will not speak on His own authority, but whatever He hears He will speak; and He will tell you things to come. He will glorify Me, for He will take of what is Mine and declare it to you. All things that the Father has are Mine. Therefore I said that He will take of Mine and declare it to you.
The Holy Spirit glorifies Christ by bearing witness that we belong to Him and declaring this to the Apostles who sit on the thrones of judgment so that we are not judged and may go unto the Father.
Romans 8:16 The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of God.
the bubble as a symbol of vanity dates back to at least the 1st century BC, and its use as such isn't confined to Christian art.
i can't find any example of the bubble ever representing the Holy Ghost at all. it's meaning is well understood as something almost completely opposite to your claim.
Fluxa quidem, & vana in nostrâ sunt omnia vitâ:
E Lachesis pendent omnia nostra colu.
Quàm citò bullatae pluvius tumor interit undae,
Tam citò certa obitus cuilibet hora venit.
Transient and vain is everything in our life: everything hangs from the thread of Lachesis. As quickly as the wet swelling of the bubbled water perishes, so the certain hour of death comes to anyone.
Jean Jacques Boissard, Emblemata cum tetrastichis latinis, 1588.
i can't find any example of the bubble ever representing the Holy Ghost at all. it's meaning is well understood as something almost completely opposite to your claim.
Fluxa quidem, & vana in nostrâ sunt omnia vitâ:
E Lachesis pendent omnia nostra colu.
Quàm citò bullatae pluvius tumor interit undae,
Tam citò certa obitus cuilibet hora venit.
Transient and vain is everything in our life: everything hangs from the thread of Lachesis. As quickly as the wet swelling of the bubbled water perishes, so the certain hour of death comes to anyone.
Jean Jacques Boissard, Emblemata cum tetrastichis latinis, 1588.
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re #542
I know it is true,without a shadow of a doubt, the Universe itself would fly apart if Jesus is not who He says He is, THAT, my dear is an example of the Holy Spirit bearing witness with my own. I can only present Jesus to someone, then the Holy Spirit draws them. He never wants attention Himself but always reveals Jesus Messiah and glorifys the Father. My tone of voice is gentle, I am a quiet woman, sometimes it seems you feel I'm yelling - I'm not. I'd offer ya a cup of coffee if you were here.
I know it is true,without a shadow of a doubt, the Universe itself would fly apart if Jesus is not who He says He is, THAT, my dear is an example of the Holy Spirit bearing witness with my own. I can only present Jesus to someone, then the Holy Spirit draws them. He never wants attention Himself but always reveals Jesus Messiah and glorifys the Father. My tone of voice is gentle, I am a quiet woman, sometimes it seems you feel I'm yelling - I'm not. I'd offer ya a cup of coffee if you were here.
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John 14:26 But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all things that I said to you.
The Holy Spirit is doing this through me in post #551. The Holy Spirit is mentioned many times throughout the gospel as bearing witness.
The Holy Spirit is doing this through me in post #551. The Holy Spirit is mentioned many times throughout the gospel as bearing witness.
how about you add something to the thread instead of re-posting the same thing over and over?
there are a lot of questions and points made in previous posts that you completely ignore. burying them by copy-pasting previous posts is making you look like a fool with no answer. the scripture says to be ready to give an answer to anyone that questions your faith -- with gentleness & respect, not with insults and high-mindedness.
but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect
(1 Peter 3:15)
i know you are strongly convinced, but if what you are convinced of is true, it should bear up under scrutiny and we should be able to more deeply discuss it. simply reposting the same thing that's on page 1 an hundred times doesn't work toward that. answering questions and having discussion does. i want you to be able to grow, not to be stagnant.
thanks for prompting me to research art. i love art. i'm sorry that what i found is in complete disagreement with you, but let's talk about that, not bury it by spamming pictures that are already posted dozens of times in this week alone.
This is irrelevant and means nothing, if you wanted to find good things about bubbles throughout history, surely you could as well. But it is not important. The bubble that you should be discussing here is Ezekiel's wheels:
Show me three verses in context that teaches verbatim that the Holy Spirit will be revealed in (orbs) of light with the face of God on them....
then this is irrelevant and meaningless too:
notforgotten;1489204[B said:
and that is exactly the point i hoped to make with you, though you won't receive the full meaning of it.
Vanity of vanities, says the Preacher,
vanity of vanities! All is vanity.
(Ecclesiastes 1:2)