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i see no scriptural evidence whatsoever that anything connected with the passover was scheduled for the thirteenth day of the month...let alone that the thirteenth day would have been called the 'first day of the feast of unleavened bread'

in fact i see scripture that proves the opposite...

deuteronomy 16:4..."For seven days no leaven shall be seen with you in all your territory, and none of the flesh which you sacrifice on the evening of the first day shall remain overnight until morning."

the first day of the feast of unleavened bread is the day the passover lamb was sacrificed and eaten...

You will find the instruction for the Preparation for Passover in the Haggadah. That book has outlined in VERY SPECIFIC DETAILS exactly how the Passover is to be prepared for, and how is it is to be Celebrated. EVERY DETAIL has symbolic meanings. The process of preparing to celebrate, took as long as two days, depending on how many people were helping. Getting the leaven out was not as simple as taking the bread out of the house. EVERY plate, every bowl, every utensil and knife that had ever touched leaven had to be packed up and stored outside the house. EVERY Jewish home has two sets of dishes, one for normal use and one for Passover. Every counter, every square inch of anything that had ever touched leaven had to be scrubbed. Pets had to be sold, so that Gentiles could feed them, because only the Passover food could be served to men or pets, during Passover. Now in modern times they do have some kosher pet foods available, but in the old days they sold their pets only to buy them back after Passover. They bought their pets back after Passover, usually for more than the sold them for.

HERE is a Jewish site outlining most of the details, and I think you will see that the Preparation took more than one day:

Preparing for Passover | Jewish Virtual Library

ZLM Video: “Passover/Unleavened Bread”

ZLM Video: “Messiah in the Passover”
 
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How many of y'all are going to honor the false god Ishtar this Sunday by hunting eggs?
 

KohenMatt

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How many of y'all are going to honor the false god Ishtar this Sunday by hunting eggs?
How many of "y'all" are going to celebrate a day that God didn't tell you to, on a day that you wouldn't have celebrated had there not been syncretism with a pagan God?
 

john832

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How many of y'all are going to honor the false god Ishtar this Sunday by hunting eggs?
Why don't you explain to us what colored eggs, chocolate bunnies and sunrise services have to do with Jesus Christ and His death, burial and resurrection?
 
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How many of "y'all" are going to celebrate a day that God didn't tell you to, on a day that you wouldn't have celebrated had there not been syncretism with a pagan God?
This last week I was confronted by a mod about that, and I said that I equated Passover with the last supper, and Jesus' crucifixion. He said he thought that was just fine. Why I was confronted is because I reported some people. Go figure.
 
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your discussion actually proves my point...if the passover lambs were killed at the end of the fourteenth day...then the seder took place during the night at the beginning of the -fifteenth- day...
The sacrificial lamb had to be killed, prepared and the blood put upon the doorpost, before midnight after the firstborn of the Egyptians were killed and those of the children of Israel 'saved' - the Passover MEAL was eaten the 15th which was the High Day, Special Sabbath, Holy Convocation
jesus accordingly held his seder on the night beginning the fifteenth day...
Who was the 'sacrificial lamb'? Jesus Christ - In order to be our Passover he would have had to die - his blood shed for our sins on the 14th . . . . . Jesus did not eat the Passover meal - He was dead as our sacrificial lamb without blemish. . . he was buried before the High Day, the Special Sabbath. . . .as scripture says in John.
later on the night of the fifteenth day jesus was arrested and tried by the sanhedrin...

in the early morning hours immediately following...that is the morning of the fifteenth day...jesus was tried before pilate and herod...

at about 9:00 in the morning on the fifteenth day they crucified jesus...at 3:00 in the afternoon on the fifteenth day jesus died...late that afternoon joseph of arimathea obtained the body of jesus and he and nicodemus buried jesus while the women watched...all of this was finished by sunset...

at sunset the -sixteenth- day began...the sixteenth day was not one of the passover sabbaths...which only happened on the fifteenth and twenty-first days of the month...

but since the sixteenth day is identified as a passover anyway...it can -only- have been the weekly saturday sabbath...
In Exodus the lamb had to be slaughtered on the 14th. . . the blood shed and put upon the doorposts the 14th - that was the protection for the children of Israel that spared their firstborn life - In order to fulfill the prophecy of being our sacrificial lamb - Jesus would have to be killed the 14th - or we have not been given life, eternal life and forgiveness . . . .
i showed in my second post in this thread an example of partial days being counted as full days...in acts 10 the phrase 'four days' included two full days and two partial days...all of which added up to only seventy-two hours...

in parallel passages we can see that jesus considered 'three days and three nights' to mean the same thing as the simple 'three days'...

since 'three days and three nights' meant the same thing as the simple 'three days' in jesus' mind...then it too could include any partial days as 'days and nights' in their own right...

so you aren't supposed to expect six twelve-hour periods...you are just supposed to count off three days...including partial days...from friday to sunday...and to notice the parallel with jonah who likewise was gone from the face of the earth and then returned...
I will look closer at Acts 10 closer.

But for now - that way of looking at time wherein partial days are considered whole days is called 'inclusive reckoning'. Inclusive reckoning is a method of calculating time in scripture where parts of a time period is rounded up to count as a whole time period. Your reckoning = Friday, Saturday, Sunday, counting these days as 'whole days' we still have a problem with a 3rd night. In Genesis, God called the light day and the darkness he called night. . . And the evening (night) and the morning (day) were the 1st day. So Jesus is speaking of three whole periods of darkness (night) and three whole periods of light (day). Inclusive reckoning only covers two periods of darkness, and two periods of light.

Another thing to take into considered in Biblical timekeeping there were divisions called "watches" rather than hours. In OT time there were three watches during the course of a night, each lasting about 4 hours - the 1st watch, [the evening watch], lasted from sunset to 10pm; the 2nd watch, [the middle watch] went from 10pm - 2am; (So Gideon, and the hundred men that were with him, came unto the outside of the camp in the
beginning of the middle watch; and they had but newly set the watch: and they blew the trumpets, and brake the pitchers that were in their hands. Judges 7:19); the 3rd watch, [the morning watch, from 2am - sunrise (And it came to pass, that in the morning watch the Lord looked unto the host of the Egyptians through the pillar of fire and of the cloud, and troubled the host of the Egyptians. Ex. 14:24 And it was so on the morrow, that Saul put the people in three companies; and they came into the midst of the host in the morning watch, and slew the Ammonites until the heat of the day:. . . 1 Samuel 11:11)

By NT times, Roman timekeeping had increased the number of watches from 3-4 hour watches - the evening watch from sunset to 9pm; the midnight watch 9pm to 12 midnight; third watch - 'cock-crowing watch' midnight to 3am and the fourth watch 3am to sunrise: Mark 13:35 Watch ye therefore: for ye know not when the master of the house cometh, at even, or at midnight, or at the cockcrowing, or in the morning."

so you aren't supposed to expect six twelve-hour periods... I don't agree. So bottom line it seems is how we reckon time. :)
 
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john832

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Actually, it is pretty much a moot point. The Passover is over. The Days of Unleavened Bread nearly half over. The time to investigate this subject is in advance.
 

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How many of "y'all" are going to celebrate a day that God didn't tell you to, on a day that you wouldn't have celebrated had there not been syncretism with a pagan God?

NEED I remind you that the celebration commanded by GOD was called First Fruits. AND YES it was always celebrated on a Sunday.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,

We just call it Resurrection Sunday.
 

KohenMatt

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NEED I remind you that the celebration commanded by GOD was called First Fruits. AND YES it was always celebrated on a Sunday.

1 Corinthians 15:20-23 (NASB)
[SUP]20 [/SUP] But now Christ has been raised from the dead, the first fruits of those who are asleep.
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For since by a man came death, by a man also came the resurrection of the dead.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
[SUP]23 [/SUP] But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming,

We just call it Resurrection Sunday.
That all sounds nice, but there is no scriptural or historical evidence that supports that theory. And I don't think a significant portion of the Body of Messiah would make that connection either.
 
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How many of y'all are going to honor the false god Ishtar this Sunday by hunting eggs?
You do know that only in English-speaking countries, with the exception of Ireland, it's called Easter. In other countries, it's Resurrection Sunday as it has been known for almost two thousand years.
 

VCO

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does it matter what day? i'm not sure the day Jesus died or what day He rose, but i believe with all my heart that He did die, then come back to life in 3 days. The teaching of Jesus dying on wednesday a coming back to life on Sabbath, makes more sense to me than friday till sunday, so i'll stick with that one for now. The thing i believe is that it happened, but can't say for sure what days.

NO, but it makes for a lively discussion that is interesting, which is a whole lot more fun, wading through boring thread, where every one just posts a few verses and agrees on everything.
 

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That all sounds nice, but there is no scriptural or historical evidence that supports that theory. And I don't think a significant portion of the Body of Messiah would make that connection either.

That would be because you have NEVER studied the Seven Feasts of Israel as taught by a Messianic Pastor.

Try it, you just might learn a bunch of things very special and precious about our LORD:

ZLM Video Series: “The Seven Feasts of Israel”
 

KohenMatt

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That would be because you have NEVER studied the Seven Feasts of Israel as taught by a Messianic Pastor.

Try it, you just might learn a bunch of things very special and precious about our LORD:

ZLM Video Series: “The Seven Feasts of Israel”

Wow, pretty bold assumptions from someone who apparently doesn't know me very well.

After all,
coughcoughIamaMessianicPastorcoughcough

It's always best to ask more questions than to make assumptions.;)
 
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That all sounds nice, but there is no scriptural or historical evidence that supports that theory. And I don't think a significant portion of the Body of Messiah would make that connection either.
Strange it's seems Paul got it and even records it. Could it be that you may NOT be seeing these things because you spending so much time LOOKING AT THE SHADOWS instead of the reality which is in Christ?
 

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There is no Biblical tie in between the Feast of First Fruits (Shavuot, Pentecost) and "Good Friday". Yes, obviously Jesus was our first fruits offering. Yes, the apostles were celebrating First Fruits. But they were not celebrating Good Friday as we know it today. But if you would like to try and make that association, that is fine with me. I'm not going to split hairs on that one.

Regardless, if you took a poll of your local church and asked them if they celebrate the Feast of First fruits, I would venture to say very few of them would know what you're talking about, let alone be able to tie it to Jesus and into Pentecost.

And Sarah, I spend just as much time looking at "the reality" which is Jesus as you do.
I am just as much in love with Jesus as you are.
I am just as much filled with His Spirit as you are.

So thanks for the false and judgmental assumptions. :(
 
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There is no Biblical tie in between the Feast of First Fruits (Shavuot, Pentecost) and "Good Friday". Yes, obviously Jesus was our first fruits offering. Yes, the apostles were celebrating First Fruits. But they were not celebrating Good Friday as we know it today. But if you would like to try and make that association, that is fine with me. I'm not going to split hairs on that one.

Regardless, if you took a poll of your local church and asked them if they celebrate the Feast of First fruits, I would venture to say very few of them would know what you're talking about, let alone be able to tie it to Jesus and into Pentecost.

And Sarah, I spend just as much time looking at "the reality" which is Jesus as you do.
I am just as much in love with Jesus as you are.
I am just as much filled with His Spirit as you are.

So thanks for the false and judgmental assumptions. :(
Matt, I asked you a question that if you asked me that question I would NOT take it as being judgmental. I ask myself those same types of question to EXAMINE myself. My best friend asks me those types a lot and again I don't see him as judging me for asking me those type of questions.

I can see how though how it did come across,and I do apologize for that as I do realize that I should have stated the question better and that is my fault.
 

KohenMatt

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Matt, I asked you a question that if you asked me that question I would NOT take it as being judgmental. I ask myself those same types of question to EXAMINE myself. My best friend asks me those types a lot and again I don't see him as judging me for asking me those type of questions.

I can see how though how it did come across,and I do apologize for that as I do realize that I should have stated the question better and that is my fault.
Thanks, Sarah, I appreciate it.

No worries, though. I understand and appreciate your perspective of the need to ask questions. Afterall, the moment we think we have everything figured out is the moment we basically say that we don't God to teach us.

And that's the exact moment when we should realize that we know absolutely nothing.