Salvation Not Possible Without Works

[homwardbound]

It's a simple question some here are afraid to answer with a simple yes or no.

Was the thief already in a saved position before he was hung upon his cross?

You speak of works then not needed and then needed to be saved, you speak with forked tongue, love you anyway and trusting father to do whatever straightening out you need, and me too, thank you Father you are the one and only that can set anyone free and be free indeed, praying for us all to be set free in you, and travel here on earth in the love. joy and peace you give, by trusting you, walking in your righteousness only and none of my own ever for I have none of my own and thank you for showing me this, praying for us all to become 100% dependent on you as Christ showed us so well while her n earth in the flesh, before his death for us to see death first to flesh in ourselves, then the new life in Spirit and truth, after we are conformed to Chirst's death is our death

 

[homwardbound]

I use 'maintain' for salvation can be lost. Many verses use the CONDITIONAL word "if" when speaking about salvation, 1 jn 2:24; 2 pet 1:8; James 5:19 among others.

and that is IF you continue in the FAith, not of works, unless one boasts, get it, praying so

 

[homwardbound]

VCO posted "True Christians will always produce at least some good works."

The logical implication is one is not a Christian if he has no good works implying good works are necessary to being a true Christian (saved)

One does not become a Christian and remain a Christian by doing nothing. VCO's statement implies that. I do not know about kings and their advisors but nowhere did Jesus tell men do nothing to be saved. But to be a Christian one must believe. Does one have to believe BEFORE he can be a kings advisor? To be a Christian one must first repent of his sins. Must one first repent of his sin to be an advisor? To become a Christian one must confess Christ. Can one be a kings advisor without confessing Christ. To become a Christian one must be baptized for remission of sins. Can one be a kings advisor without having his sins remitted?


It's apparent to me that the qualifications to become a Christian differ than the qualifications to being a king's advisor.

[h=3]Luke 18:9-14[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]And he spake this parable unto certain which trusted in themselves that they were righteous, and despised others: [SUP]10 [/SUP]Two men went up into the temple to pray; the one a Pharisee, and the other a publican. [SUP]11 [/SUP]The Pharisee stood and prayed thus with himself, God, I thank thee, that I am not as other men are, extortioners, unjust, adulterers, or even as this publican. [SUP]12 [/SUP]I fast twice in the week, I give tithes of all that I possess. [SUP]13 [/SUP]And the publican, standing afar off, would not lift up so much as his eyes unto heaven, but smote upon his breast, saying, God be merciful to me a sinner. [SUP]14 [/SUP]I tell you, this man went down to his house justified rather than the other: for every one that exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted.

 

[homwardbound]

One is not righteous until they first do righteousness.

Christ is the righteous one and the only one God was and is pleased in of the flesh, Chirst's flesh is the only flesh that ever pleased Father and ever will, so it is through Christ we are made righteous only
The way, the truth and the new life in Spirit and truth by the resurrected Christ no one gets to Father but by Christ and then Father teaches us truth over error and we stop self works trusting for Father's works through us the same as Christ did in the power of Father through the Holy Spirit of truth leading him, is that tooooooooooooooooooo simple?

 

[homwardbound]

Jn 3:36 ASV "He that believeth (present, active) on the Son hath eternal life; but he that obeyeth not the Son shall not see life, but the wrath of God abideth on him."

"Believeth" is set in contrast to "obeyeth not" meaning believing is a form of obedience, something done and not a mere mental ascent of the mind.

By belief I am saved and accepted in the beloved and I had nothing to do with it, God did this through Son for you, me and all the world to save the world not to condemn it, but before anyone can understand this truth, one first need be condemned, have you been condemned yet, seen what your flesh is doing in self righteousness?

 

[homwardbound]

You can do no righteous. Stop trusting in self. Your lack of faith in God is amazing, And you can;t even see it

1 cor. 13:1-3 come to mind as I did this way back when and could being in unredeemed flesh get trapped in again and know knowing it is God that finishes the work that he started in me, The Author and finisher of our Faith
Thanks Eg

 

[homwardbound]

Many of you are so desparate to prove your position you make these rediculous statements.
Read the context and the vs, I John 3:7. He is NOT speaking about unbelievers.
But again, do you know what "righteousness" means?

I am after many of your posts see you are a worker of iniquity, through works Law that besets ones unredeemed flesh. that needs to be reckoned dead with Christ's death in order to see the new life given by Father in the resurrected Christ
Cool, and thank you Father for revealing what is really going on here

The ten laws were put in place to show us those ten plagues given to Egypt that trusted in themselves and other Pagan Gods
Under law under curse, why because we are born from the womb first as Son's of Adam, and need to be born of God's Spirit, freed from the curse of the flesh that we aree first born in

 

[homwardbound]

If one remains justified, then it means salvation. But simply being justified, as "justified by faith" is NOT salvation. It enters one into Christ, puts one in a correct standing with Christ, so that one can be saved through their faith, working with God working out their salvation with fear and trembling.

What does the very next verse say

[h=3]Philippians 2:12-13[/h]Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.



Who does the work God or you, think maybe God is waiting for you to wake up, fro he did not come to save the self righteous in themselves that think they are better than another, He came to save those that cry for Mercy

 

[VCO]

faith, not salvation. If one loses faith, one will not inherit the promise OF salvation.
You have not yet produced a text that says upon one's first moment of belief, one has attained salvation, or has been saved. They are all conditional with the promise awaiting, based on one's faith.

Those who appear to have lost their faith, NEVER WERE ONE OF US.

I will define what I mean by Salvation , because I think you have a TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEFINITION.

Your false definition of Salvation would go something like this:

Salvation is having arrived at perfect Righteousness partly because of Christ has done, and partly because of what we have done.

Correct me if I am wrong, but from all of your posts, that is what I think you believe.

Now compare that with what I teach and Believe when I use the word SALVATION:

Salvation is receiving what we do not deserve, deliverance from a destiny of HELL via the Shed Blood of Christ as total payment for our sins, receiving HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS accredited to our account, even though we do not deserve it. That happens along with the HOLY SPIRIT bringing our once dead human spirit to eternal life, bringing repentance into our hearts, and placing in us faith as a gift, whereby we receive Jesus Christ as LORD and MASTER for all Eternity, while HE gave us spiritual adoption as CHILDREN OF GOD.

I guess you never picked up on the verses that I pointed out, because of your presuppositions and your false definition of the term Salvation. I will post them again, NOTE: Terms like "Has been Justified, Has Eternal Life, Has been redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb", etc. all mean: HAS BEEN SAVED when you use our Definition of the word Salvation.

Romans 3:23-26 (HCSB)
[SUP]23 [/SUP] For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP] They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]25 [/SUP] God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.
[SUP]26 [/SUP] ⌊God presented Him⌋ to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be righteous and declare righteous the one who has faith in Jesus.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)
[SUP]30 [/SUP] But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] He saved us (PASTE TENSE) — not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.
[SUP]6 [/SUP] He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
Romans 5:17 (HCSB)
[SUP]17 [/SUP] Since by the one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace will reign through righteousness, resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Righteousness is a GIFT, Grace is a GIFT, Eternal Life is a GIFT. Gifts are not earned, there then has to be another reason for our GOOD WORKS. That Reason is LOVE for Jesus Christ as our LORD.

Romans 3:21-24 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
[SUP]22 [/SUP] even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
[SUP]23 [/SUP] for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
[SUP]24 [/SUP] being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

Philippians 3:9 (ASV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] and be found in him, not having a righteousness of mine own, even that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:

John 6:47 (ESV)
[SUP]47 [/SUP] Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

John 3:36 (HCSB)
[SUP]36 [/SUP] The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

 

[homwardbound]

The goal is perfection but man is not able to reach such high levels, though some are close, possibly Paul himself. We are commanded to be perfect as He is perfect, but just because we cannot attain it, does not mean we should just become innert, passive, and beign persons.
The forgiveness of sin makes one righeous, but we continually sin and need forgiveness.

No forgiveness without the shedding of blood period and Christ is the last sacrifice and last shedding of blood for any and all forgiveness, have you not received this yet?
Is forgiveness ongoing after the cross? And please scripture that states it is ongoing after the death of Christ
After the death not before, anywhere it states to ask for more forgiveness after receiving the forgiveness at the cross of Christ
And I am not talking about between one another I am talking about between man and God

 

[homwardbound]

there was no jewish law in Abrahams day, so you can not try to force that into context.

You just do not get that do you. The works spoken of here is the work abraham did.

leaving his family
Going to a strange land. Having a son when he was past his prime, offering to sacrifice his son.

You just don;t get that do you.

And do you get this:
Romans 3:27 Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith
Romans 9:32 Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone;
Galatians 2:16 knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Galatians 3:2 This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Galatians 3:5 He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?
Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Hebrews 6:2 of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
Hebrews 6:3 And this will we do, if God permit.

So how are we made perfect, flesh or Spirit of God?

 

[homwardbound]

continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling

Read the very next verse phil 2:13 who does the work, God or you in you after one believes

 

[homwardbound]

They are the by products of one's faith, of having been justified by faith, entering into Christ so one can be saved.

you by this still added works to be saved is God a liar or man?
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Christ is finished and at rest for us to by Faith in Christ be at rest as well, which you are not and stressed out are you not?
Are you at rest in Father through Christ or not? You need not answer you already know the truth here,
God does just love you and desire to put you at rest in Him, then to move and have your being as Father sees fit for yuo and you and you over there, each having a certain Job of Faith at rest in it

 

[Apostol2013]

The works of God done of the faith in which we believe in Christ are of everything which the Lord commanded us to do now Jesus said do not murder but whosoever hated his brother is just as guilty or to even call his brother worthless is guilty of the fires of hell , to teach slothfullness into teach a false counterfeit faith there is nothing wrong with getting furnished unto all good works done in faith of the doctrine of our Lord Jesus , speaking of the teaching to not do good is a grave sin as it is part of the faith now works cannot save without Christ or cannot save but is a product of thee faith of which is the evidence of the faith produced then it will all fall into perspective the reasoning of why I am even speaking like this is that I hate to see anyone to. Go to the lake of fire for God taketh no pleasure in this neither I will .God is all merciful but is order even the angels losttheir first estate due to ddisobedience but to each his own 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.

 

[LT]

The works of God done of the faith in which we believe in Christ are of everything which the Lord commanded us to do now Jesus said do not murder but whosoever hated his brother is just as guilty or to even call his brother worthless is guilty of the fires of hell , to teach slothfullness into teach a false counterfeit faith there is nothing wrong with getting furnished unto all good works done in faith of the doctrine of our Lord Jesus , speaking of the teaching to not do good is a grave sin as it is part of the faith now works cannot save without Christ or cannot save but is a product of thee faith of which is the evidence of the faith produced then it will all fall into perspective the reasoning of why I am even speaking like this is that I hate to see anyone to. Go to the lake of fire for God taketh no pleasure in this neither I will .God is all merciful but is order even the angels losttheir first estate due to ddisobedience but to each his own 11 He that is unjust, let him be unjust still: and he which is filthy, let him be filthy still: and he that is righteous, let him be righteous still: and he that is holy, let him be holy still.

12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my reward is with me, to give every man according as his work shall be.


13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.


14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.


15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loves and makes a lie.

We are all guilty of hell. none of us have merited entering the Kingdom.
We only escape hell and enter the Kingdom by hiding in Christ.

 

[Cassian]

I am after many of your posts see you are a worker of iniquity, through works Law that besets ones unredeemed flesh. that needs to be reckoned dead with Christ's death in order to see the new life given by Father in the resurrected Christ
Cool, and thank you Father for revealing what is really going on here

The ten laws were put in place to show us those ten plagues given to Egypt that trusted in themselves and other Pagan Gods
Under law under curse, why because we are born from the womb first as Son's of Adam, and need to be born of God's Spirit, freed from the curse of the flesh that we aree first born in

Sadly, if you have actually read my posts, you have exhibited no understanding of what I have stated. In fact, you are stating it incorrectly. You have mischaracterized it again, as do all the others, since it seems that is the only way you can seemingly have a view that stands. You keep creating all these strawmen and knocking them down and never get to the discusion of the topic. Now, that may be your method of diversion because all, after two threads, no one has yet presented texts that actually confirm your view. so deflection helps but keeps proving the falsity of the view of "being saved by faith only".

 

[Cassian]

What does the very next verse say

Philippians 2:12-13

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. [SUP]13 [/SUP]For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.



Who does the work God or you, think maybe God is waiting for you to wake up, fro he did not come to save the self righteous in themselves that think they are better than another, He came to save those that cry for Mercy

You seem to have a problem with English as well as the Greek, This verse is telling you very directly that the work is you. God, actually the Holy Spirit works in you(for you) to will and do his good pleasure. If it was God doing His work through you the pronoun would be "my" good pleasure.
By the way Satan does the very same thing. He is also working in you to will and do of his desire also.
Therein lies the fulcrum of man's personal salvation. It is man that determines which road he will take. God cannot force you one way or the other, neither can Satan. Why would God need you to love Himself. Or need you to love another person. Do you think God is incapable of loving a human being without going through you?

 

[Cassian]

Those who appear to have lost their faith, NEVER WERE ONE OF US.

a direct contradiction. If you and I are in a room, but you leave, does it mean you were never in the room either? What the text is saying is that these particular persons, publicly stated that they were leaving. Most believers do not so state and to us remain as believers, even though God sees that they are not. But that is not what scripture is speaking about. It is speaking to each of us and we need to make sure our faith is continuing. If we lose faith, we cannot be saved.

I will define what I mean by Salvation , because I think you have a TOTALLY DIFFERENT DEFINITION.

Your false definition of Salvation would go something like this:

Salvation is having arrived at perfect Righteousness partly because of Christ has done, and partly because of what we have done.

Correct me if I am wrong, but from all of your posts, that is what I think you believe.

Incorrect. First I don't get any of Christ's righteousnes respective of my relationship with Him. The righteousness he gave me, he also gave to every human being by the work of the Cross and His resurrection.
I need to believe that which justifies me by that faith. That justification permits me to enter into Christ so that my personal salvation can begin. I am being saved through my faith. My faith must show evidence, vitality, progress, growth, which is done through love and obedience growing in the virtues and shunning the vices. As I do righteous things I become more righteous. The Holy Spirit imparts me with that righteousness because I am IN Him. It is a matter of keeping my faith, not losing faith, thus losing my postion of being IN Christ. One cannot be saved without faith, or outside of Christ.

Now compare that with what I teach and Believe when I use the word SALVATION:

Salvation is receiving what we do not deserve, deliverance from a destiny of HELL via the Shed Blood of Christ as total payment for our sins, receiving HIS RIGHTEOUSNESS accredited to our account, even though we do not deserve it. That happens along with the HOLY SPIRIT bringing our once dead human spirit to eternal life, bringing repentance into our hearts, and placing in us faith as a gift, whereby we receive Jesus Christ as LORD and MASTER for all Eternity, while HE gave us spiritual adoption as CHILDREN OF GOD.

The phrase, being saved from hell is a negative one. Christ is not really saving you from hell. It is the consequence of man not desiring to be united with Christ. Christ desires all men to be in union with Him. Those that do not want Christ the consequence is hell.

Christ saved mankind from death, gave life, an eternal existence back to man so that God and man could again fulfil the purpose of God creating us in the first place. That purpose was to work with God in this world, in a union of love and obedience eternally.

There is no concept in scripture of man getting some just deserts because he sins. Christ knew we were bound in bondage to death and sin, through Satan, or the condemnation of death to Adam. It is Gods great love to His created order, but especially of man, who bore His Image, that God thought it unjust that every man be condemned to death, by the one sinful act, by one man. This is why we say that in saving mankind from death and sin, Christ freed mankind from the bondage to that death and sin. Now, each man, is going to be held accountable for his own sins. When we reject Christ, since we all sin, those who reject Him cannot have their sins forgiven, and will suffer the consequences which is hell. For those that desire union with God, if we really desire to be united with Him we need to curb our sin, get rid of the vices, bad habits, and when we do sin to seek forgiveness. When we confess our sins He will forgive because there is a sacrifice completed by Christ that He, as High Priest, can use to forgive our sin. If we are faithful , keeping our faith by being obedient, loving all men, keeping His commandments, growing ever more like Him, in other words become more and more righteous, we shall be saved. We will inherit the promise of salvation that awaits those that are faithful.

I guess you never picked up on the verses that I pointed out, because of your presuppositions and your false definition of the term Salvation. I will post them again, NOTE: Terms like "Has been Justified, Has Eternal Life, Has been redeemed by the Blood of the Lamb", etc. all mean: HAS BEEN SAVED when you use our Definition of the word Salvation.[/quoted] Not in every place they are used. You cannot make general statements like that because that is why you have been incorrect so far in these threads. I and others have pointed out where you were incorrect.
The phrase "redeemed by His Blood is NEVER assigned only to believers. Christ atoned for the sin of the world, He redeemed all things through His Blood, Col 1:20. There are no exceptions here, It if was created by God and is either part of this world or mankind, it was redeemed by His Blood.

Being justified never means salvation. Not even in Rom 5:18 when it is speaking about the Gift that Christ gave to all men and the phrase is to the justification of life. That life is a physical existance that man gets are the resurrection. It is why Christians believe in the Resurrection of the dead, all the dead, not just believers. Christ would have failed to defeat death if only some are raised from the dead. This is the same equation in I Cor 15:12-22, and confirmed again in I Cor 15:53.
Where it states we are justified by faith, it means we are put into a correct relationship with Christ by that faith. But simply being justified does not save us. In a text as II Cor 5:18-21, vs 18-19 is about Christ reconciling the world back to God. It has nothing directly bearing on us as individuals. This is again referencing what Christ accomplished for the world, the purpose is shown in latter part of 19, where because he did that for the world, he can also make a believer a co-worker with Him in this world, which was the same purpose Adam was supposed to do before he fell. Vs 20 then tells us Paul exhorts his hearers/readers to reconcile themselves to God. What does that mean. It is what a person does by faith, called justification by faith. We are reconciled to God by faith.

the phrase, "has eternal life" is always connected to believing, or believes, which both are present tense, active and continuing. If you continue you have eternal life. But that determination is not made until the end of your life, to see if you have actually, every day beleived to the end of your life. If you have you will inherit eternal life with Christ. Salvation is conditioned on your faith, and faith is conditioned by the fruit, obedience, love, etc, etc.


You can call our position false, but that has not yet been proven. All you have shown is that your position is different than ours, but not that it is correct as yet.

Romans 3:23-26 (HCSB)

[SUP]23 [/SUP]For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God.
[SUP]24 [/SUP]They are justified freely by His grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus.

[SUP]25 [/SUP]God presented Him as a propitiation through faith in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His restraint God passed over the sins previously committed.
[SUP]26 [/SUP]⌊God presented Him⌋ to demonstrate His righteousness at the present time, so that He would be righteous and declare righteous the one who has faith in Jesus.

This is referencing the work of Christ which was done for the world, for all mankind. All are sinners, aligns with Room 5:6-10. This reconciling gave life to mankind and also Christ gave the world a sacrifice for sin. This is why man needed Christ in the first place. Man could not atone for his own sin, nor could man grant himself eternal existance. Surely not be doing the works of the law. This is where the works of the law is always applied. Man could not do it, never could. Or saying in as man could not save himself from death and sin.

Since man cannot do this work God uses it, by requiring man to believe that Christ saved the world, and by that faith justifies that person, also known as justification by faith. But justification here does not mean salvation. It means man is put in a correct relationship with Christ. A relationship that was created for man, as well as the works were created for man to do. God requires that we put them together, faith first, the the works to justify the faith as being true, valid, working, a living faith, not a dead faith.

1 Corinthians 1:30 (NASB)

[SUP]30 [/SUP]But by His doing you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, and righteousness and sanctification, and redemption,

These are the works that Christ performs in the believer. None of these would be available if Christ had not come, had not died and arose again. they are all gifts, as everything we have is a gift from God, but here showing that man could not do any of this of his own will or effort. It is all through Christ, being IN Christ that we have access to these gifts. But the fact remains, man is not forced to stay and recieve the benefits of these gifts. God does not lock any man into a forced relationship. Adam had it all as well, but still fell. We live in worse conditions but have many more tools of God to use, to ensure that we will be saved.

Titus 3:5-7 (HCSB)

[SUP]5 [/SUP]He saved us (PASTE TENSE) — not by works of righteousness that we had done, but according to His mercy, through the washing of regeneration and renewal by the Holy Spirit.

the past tense is refering to Christ reconciling the world, saving the world from death and sin, which is what we need to believe in order to be justified by our faith. We could not save ourselves, It was all by and through God's mercy. He hade mercy upon all, Rom 11:32, Rom 5:18, II Cor 5:18-19, Rom 3:23-25. Two additional ways the washing (baptism) which regenerates our relationship with Christ by which we are saved, and believers also get the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, an aid to assist in being transformed into the Likeness of Christ. That relationship is contingent of our faith.
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[/SUP]He poured out this ⌊Spirit⌋ on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Savior,

poured it out upon all flesh, but specifically gave the Holy Spirit inwardly by indwelling. God is in the business of saving all men. He desires that all come to know Him.
[SUP]

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[/SUP]so that having been justified by His grace, we may become heirs with the hope of eternal life.
Romans 5:17 (HCSB)

He justified all men, solely by His grace. All men were saved by grace from death and sin. This is the meaning of the phrase saved by grace in Eph 2:5. Christ saved all men from death so that He could call all men to repentance. He wants every single person to become heirs (by faith) with the HOPE of eternal life. (awarded at the end I Pet 1:3-5. inheritance. Isn't that what heirs receive if the live up to the conditions of being bequeathed or promised an inheritance.
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[/SUP]Since by the one man’s trespass, death reigned through that one man, how much more will those who receive the overflow of grace and the gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man, Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:21 (HCSB)

Christ saved the world, so that individual man by faith might be saved through His life and reign with Him. This is the Gift vs 14, which was life vs 18 given to all men.
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[/SUP]so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace will reign through righteousness, resulting in eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

It is through Christ, grace will come to all men by Christ, but to those that believe by faith to eternal life with Him.

Righteousness is a GIFT, Grace is a GIFT, Eternal Life is a GIFT. Gifts are not earned, there then has to be another reason for our GOOD WORKS. That Reason is LOVE for Jesus Christ as our LORD.

Everything we have is a gift. and works are the result of faith, which is love for God. You did not believe in Him because you hated him, right. They become obligations, conditions for having eternal life with Christ. If not faith, then Christ would have just saved all men to heaven as well, since that is what He desired. He wants love freely given, and tested. He tested Adam, he fell, You are being tested now, will you fall or will you remain faithful, so you can inherit the promise of eternal life with Him.

Romans 3:21-24 (NASB)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]But now apart from the Law the righteousness of God has been manifested, being witnessed by the Law and the Prophets,
[SUP]22 [/SUP]even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;
[SUP]23 [/SUP]for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,
[SUP]24 [/SUP]being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus;

Because Christ redeemed the world, we can be justified by faith.

2 Corinthians 5:21 (NASB)

[SUP]21 [/SUP]He made Him who knew no sin to be sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.

all men became righteous because of Christ as stated in vs 19-20, and He needed to do that because we could not. But by belief in that salvation, we become justified, made righteous IN HIM.

Philippians 3:9 (ASV)

[SUP]9 [/SUP]and be found in him, not having a righteousness of mine own, even that which is of the law, but that which is through faith in Christ, the righteousness which is from God by faith:

saying the same thing again, Christ reconciled the world, we need to believe that we are saved from death and sin, and by so doing are justified by that faith.

John 6:47 (ESV)

[SUP]47 [/SUP]Truly, truly, I say to you, whoever believes has eternal life.

Yes, in the present tense you have eternal life, but obviously if you no longer believe you also don't have eternal life.

John 3:36 (HCSB)

[SUP]36 [/SUP]The one who believes in the Son has eternal life, but the one who refuses to believe in the Son will not see life; instead, the wrath of God remains on him.

[/quote] present tense, and those who refuse to believe or no longer believe obviously do not have eternal life.


A lot of texts, but none, not a single one every says we are saved by faith only. Also, not a single one even says we have finite, carved in stone eternal life by believing in the past, but always in the present tense, active and continuing.


You won't find any either. There are none.

 

[thecreationtutor]

continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling

knowing that it is God who is the one working = whole verse in context is great

 

[Cassian]

you by this still added works to be saved is God a liar or man?
John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

Christ is finished and at rest for us to by Faith in Christ be at rest as well, which you are not and stressed out are you not?
Are you at rest in Father through Christ or not? You need not answer you already know the truth here,
God does just love you and desire to put you at rest in Him, then to move and have your being as Father sees fit for yuo and you and you over there, each having a certain Job of Faith at rest in it

Could you explain to me just how Christ saved you on the Cross as an individual?