Is the Hebrew Roots Movement a cult?

[ofIsrael]

Hebrew roots is a lie by the lying, out cast Israel.

They, the godless ones, killed the Prophets and persecuted the Apostles.
God took vengeance in 70 A.D.
Christian ROOTS are the Prophets and the Apostles and not their killers.
A pretty good lie... by antichrist but God and Christ are on the side of theirs.

Eph.2
[19] Now therefore ye - gentiles- are no more strangers and foreigners,
but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;
[20] And - You True Christians -
are built upon the foundation of
the Apostles (who ere persecited by the unbelievers)
and prophets, (who were all persecuted and killed by the majority)
Jesus Christ (the God of Israel who was also rejected and killed by the liars)
himself being the chief corner stone;

Know the hu8man devil.
Trait #1, Jesus pointed out was lying.

 

[danschance]

As far as yourself in particular, you continually misuse his writings.

Yes, we all know in part. This leads us all to make all sorts of conclusions about the bible. If you can show me I am wrong about a verse, I will thank you every time and in the past I have. I believe you are sincere in all of your beliefs, as the JW's and Mormons and many others also are sincere in their beliefs as well. You claim I am misusing the scriptures yet I still contend I am not. The bible says there is a way that seems right to man but the end is destruction. We should all pray and ask God to strip away our false conclusions and I have.

You can be sincere and at the same time be sincerely wrong. So while you are certain I am "misusing" scriptures, it may also be that you are the one in error, even if you are 100% certain you are right. There is a way that seems right to a man but the end is destruction.

 

[Karraster]

The adversary always seeks to destroy God's Word. Torah is a Lamp and a Light, and Messiah is the Living Torah, the Word.

 

[Karraster]

The adversary is a backbiter, and is always causing strife, because he wants no unity among followers of Messiah, who also love and keep the commandments of Almighty. The testimony of Messiah is this:For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak.

 

[Hizikyah]

Yes, we all know in part. This leads us all to make all sorts of conclusions about the bible. If you can show me I am wrong about a verse, I will thank you every time and in the past I have. I believe you are sincere in all of your beliefs, as the JW's and Mormons and many others also are sincere in their beliefs as well. You claim I am misusing the scriptures yet I still contend I am not. The bible says there is a way that seems right to man but the end is destruction. We should all pray and ask God to strip away our false conclusions and I have.

You can be sincere and at the same time be sincerely wrong. So while you are certain I am "misusing" scriptures, it may also be that you are the one in error, even if you are 100% certain you are right. There is a way that seems right to a man but the end is destruction.

I agree with you points in this post, I believe we must strip away all outside "noise" and fully dive into Scripture and let that be our guide.

As far as me saying the "misuse" topic.

If Shaul (Paul) really claims what you assert, he would be contradictiong himself, because many times he upholds the keeping of Yahweh's Law and even asserts he himself keeps it post Messiah's resurrection.

Romans 3:31, "Are we then doing away with the Law through the faith? By no means! Rather, we establish the Law!"

the word Law is: 3551. nomos
nomos: that which is assigned, hence usage, law
Original Word: νόμος, ου, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: nomos
Phonetic Spelling: (nom'-os)
Short Definition: a law, the Mosaic Law
Definition: usage, custom, law; in NT: of law in general, plur: of divine laws; of a force or influence impelling to action; of the Mosaic law; meton: of the books which contain the law, the Pentateuch, the Old Testament scriptures in general.

Romans 13:9, "For the commandments: You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bring false testimony, You shall not covet, and all other commandments are briefly summed up in these Laws; namely: You must love your neighbor as yourself."

Acts 24:14, "But I confess this to you, that after the way which they call heresy--so I
worship the Father of my fathers, believing all things which are written in the Law and in the Prophets."

These are but a few, we have talked many times and no matter if you think my view is wrong I believe you know that I could post more.

All Scripture must be considered, we can not view everything through Galatians, nor exclude it.

We can not take one verse or Romans 7 and view Romans 6-7-8 through it, but rather read all Scripture many times until the Spirit truly unlocks its intent.

With all that said, there is only one who we are told we MUST hear and obey, and that is Messiah, and seeing as His words are recorded pre and post Shauls writings, and in both before and after Yahshua tells us to keep Yahweh's Law this is a hint. Combine this with the fact that Shaul upholds the keeping of Yahweh's Law (and in a few places can be interpreted against, but things like justified and keeping are two different things)

When the churches read ONLY Paul for years and years, and at that twist and cherry pick certian verses, I can see how it is hard to see things any other way.

I ask you go back and read the post of the Messiah's words, and contemplate the question, or statement I made, are we really followers of Messiah and His words? (I include myself in this, anytine a spaek to another I always measure that measurement back to myself)

Luke 6:46, "And why call Me; Ruler! Ruler! and do not the things which I say?"

 

[Zinzerio]

Recently my wife was accused of belonging to a cult called the Hebrew Roots Movement. I didn't know what it was, so I went to this url: What is the Hebrew Roots movement?
I am wanting input, for both my wife and I believe that the Mosaic Law was given to us as a tool by God himself and is still relevant today. This causes great division, but just because we believe in the Bible as a whole, has the falling away gotten to the point where we are rejecting in bitterness parts of the Word of God that we don't like or what?

This may help.

History and culture, the scribes, the scribes where valued early in Israels history because of there writing skills. They formed guides and exercised political influence. During the period of exile, the priesthood was not able to offer sacrifices, so copying, teaching, and interpreting the law became more prominent practices. Ezra epitomized the idea scribe after the return to Judah. By the time of Jesus, scribes had become a distinct class that preserved, interpreted, and taught the law, acted as lawyers and theologians, and where the guardians of tradition after the Romans destroyed Jerusalem in 70ad, many respected scribes migrated to Jamima near Ashdod.

 

[Kerry]

IDK, when have a knew and better covenant why would you want to go back to the old. I meant after working with windows 8 why would I want to go back DOS. It don't make no sense. I meant why would you wash your clothes in tub with scrub board and wringer, when you can put them in the washer and dryer. Its like going to Wendy's and ordering a double cheeseburger a large fry and a M&M twisted frosty and a Diet Coke. It don't make sense.

 

[Hizikyah]

IDK, when have a knew and better covenant why would you want to go back to the old. I meant after working with windows 8 why would I want to go back DOS. It don't make no sense. I meant why would you wash your clothes in tub with scrub board and wringer, when you can put them in the washer and dryer. Its like going to Wendy's and ordering a double cheeseburger a large fry and a M&M twisted frosty and a Diet Coke. It don't make sense.

What you call old and obsolete is what the Messiah calls great:

Mattithyah 5:19, "Whosoever, therefore, will break one of the least of these Laws, and will teach men so, he will be called the least in the Kingdom of Yahweh; but whosoever will do and teach them, the same will be called great in the Kingdom of Yahweh."

 

[Kerry]

I didn't call it that way, God did. There is no way that it is possible to keep the old covenant, even if one wanted to it is impossible. There is no temple, there is no ark, there is no brazen altar, there is no table of show bread, there is no veil, there is no holy of holies. There is only Christ and nothing else.

 

[Hizikyah]

I didn't call it that way, God did. There is no way that it is possible to keep the old covenant, even if one wanted to it is impossible. There is no temple, there is no ark, there is no brazen altar, there is no table of show bread, there is no veil, there is no holy of holies. There is only Christ and nothing else.

It is not our role to keep the ordinances of the "temple" we are not (high) priest, Yahshua is, He is the High Priest in the real holy of holies, the one who makes intercession and who made Sacrifice.

However do not kill, do not steal, etc yes we are to keep these.

 

[RedTent]

Yes, we all know in part. This leads us all to make all sorts of conclusions about the bible. If you can show me I am wrong about a verse, I will thank you every time and in the past I have. I believe you are sincere in all of your beliefs, as the JW's and Mormons and many others also are sincere in their beliefs as well. You claim I am misusing the scriptures yet I still contend I am not. The bible says there is a way that seems right to man but the end is destruction. We should all pray and ask God to strip away our false conclusions and I have.

You can be sincere and at the same time be sincerely wrong. So while you are certain I am "misusing" scriptures, it may also be that you are the one in error, even if you are 100% certain you are right. There is a way that seems right to a man but the end is destruction.

I hope that you are sincere that you are asking for God's direction. We must accept scripture, not twist it. We cannot say there is new scripture as Mormons say. We must know some basic things, such as that Christ opened up salvation for the gentiles who were opposed before, that Jews and gentiles are equal but God had used the Jews for our benefit. We must know there is one God, just one, and all scripture New and Old is by that one God. We simply must know how the blood used for atonement relates to the blood of Christ and precisely how Christ changed our world. We must know the spiritual law, and how each verse relating to law fits with that.

If Christians would take time to read how the church went wrong, beginning with men like Origen, and see God as only love over the entire history of our world. Then you could understand the roots movement, not from "ain't it just AWFUL" but from God's point of view. You would know what God is telling you. You would be able to open your minds and heart to such as what God said in the food laws, and why the feasts and know completely how Christ relates to that. You could read scripture in spirit and truth instead of the legalistic way it is done in most of these posts today.

Scripture isn't written for our legalistic mind, it is written in spirit and truth.

Surely Christians can read posts about liars, those who love Christ are cults, Christ has us deny things God told us, Christ didn't make perfect but made things go away, God is against His Chosen people, don't listen to lots of scripture, the law isn't of God and such things can recognize it isn't of God. God is love. God is growth. God is good. God is one--no part of God is against any other part, disunity is of the flesh.

 

[Kerry]

It is not our role to keep the ordinances of the "temple" we are not (high) priest, Yahshua is, He is the High Priest in the real holy of holies, the one who makes intercession and who made Sacrifice.

However do not kill, do not steal, etc yes we are to keep these.

and we can only keep these by faith in the cross. Again it is by my Spirit saith the Lord. This is the fruit of faith in the cross.

 

[RedTent]

I didn't call it that way, God did. There is no way that it is possible to keep the old covenant, even if one wanted to it is impossible. There is no temple, there is no ark, there is no brazen altar, there is no table of show bread, there is no veil, there is no holy of holies. There is only Christ and nothing else.

Are you saying that God, who is one with Christ, had no reason to give the old covenant, that God should never have written down the laws He created the world to operate with, that God should never have given the world the ark, brazen altar, show bread, veil, or holy of holies but being Christ would build his kingdom on those things, he should have gotten on with it from the first instead of using those almost 4,000 years with those things? God is God, you aren't. God did those things, it is better to learn why and how and if you think about it, it would be better to know about why and how and how it changed with Christ.

 

[Hizikyah]

and we can only keep these by faith in the cross. Again it is by my Spirit saith the Lord. This is the fruit of faith in the cross.

No man can keep or even honestly attempt to keep the Law of Yahweh without His Spirit, but the warsong of the modern church has become "we will certainly not die if we cast aside Yahweh's Instructions." Just as dangerous as a full only works justification IMO.

 

[danschance]

No man can keep or even honestly attempt to keep the Law of Yahweh without His Spirit, but the warsong of the modern church has become "we will certainly not die if we cast aside Yahweh's Instructions." Just as dangerous as a full only works justification IMO.

Hiz, I bet you can't find a single quote that supports your half baked notion that Church's teach "Casting aside Yahweh's (God's) instructions. That is a legend in your mind, not found in reality. You and your cohorts accuse us, who do not agree with following the Old Covenant as being "lawless". It's just a cheap shot from your high horse as you look down your nose at those who disagree with you.

 

[Hizikyah]

Hiz, I bet you can't find a single quote that supports your half baked notion that Church's teach "Casting aside Yahweh's (God's) instructions. That is a legend in your mind, not found in reality. You and your cohorts accuse us, who do not agree with following the Old Covenant as being "lawless". It's just a cheap shot from your high horse as you look down your nose at those who disagree with you.

While I dont normally step foot in "churches" I can say that i have some family members that have attended different "churches" and the vast majority tech that the Commandments and Laws are not on the radar any longer. How ever one wants to word it or slice it Messiah said to keep Yahweh's Law, call it old or whatever you want, Messiah said to keep it.

Yahdah (Jude) 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Hebrews 10:26-31, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Father."

Zecharyah 7:7-13, "Were not these words of Yahweh proclaimed by the former prophets, when Yerusalem was inhabited and successful, with her villages surrounding her, when men inhabited the South; Negev, and the lowland; western foothills? And the word of Yahweh came to Zecharyah, saying: This is what Yahweh of hosts says! Execute true judgment, and show mercy and compassion, everyone to his brother. Do not oppress the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor. Let none of you imagine; think or devise, evil in your heart against your brother. But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which Yahweh of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says Yahweh of hosts!"

Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."

Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

And if you think Im trying to be or acting like I am on a "high horse" I apologize, sincerely, that is not my intent, feeling or how I want to be viewed. I know I am firm in my stance, but it is because Yahweh has changed me and shown me I know His word and I know the truth of Scripture is much different from the mainline doctrines. I am open to Scripture, I used to think like or similar to how you do, but when I dedicated time to Yahweh and studied His word I found that the Messiah said 10 or so times to keep Yahweh's Law and never said not to. Even in the final Scriptural revelation to man, the Revelation of Yahshua Messiah He says to keep Yahweh's Law. Mosheh prophesied about Messiah by the Spirit of Yahweh and said Messiah is the one we must hear and obey.

Also Scripture itself says this covenant ratified in Yahshua's blood would have us love the Law, it would place the Torah in our hearts. how could the Torah be in ones heart if they hated it and rejected it? Heck a lot even hate the word Torah...

 

[RedTent]

Hiz, I bet you can't find a single quote that supports your half baked notion that Church's teach "Casting aside Yahweh's (God's) instructions. That is a legend in your mind, not found in reality. You and your cohorts accuse us, who do not agree with following the Old Covenant as being "lawless". It's just a cheap shot from your high horse as you look down your nose at those who disagree with you.

Christians say they don't believe something to be true, people who refuse to follow Christ say "half baked notion" "you and your cohorts accuse" "cheap shot" "high horse" "look down your nose". And now you are saying that you believe in the law that God gives?

 

[VCO]

Recently my wife was accused of belonging to a cult called the Hebrew Roots Movement. I didn't know what it was, so I went to this url: What is the Hebrew Roots movement?
I am wanting input, for both my wife and I believe that the Mosaic Law was given to us as a tool by God himself and is still relevant today. This causes great division, but just because we believe in the Bible as a whole, has the falling away gotten to the point where we are rejecting in bitterness parts of the Word of God that we don't like or what?

I am not certain what all they want to label Hebrew Roots Movement, and from what I read, I am not sure THEY KNOW what all they want to label Hebrew Roots Movement.

NOW if they want us to practice circumcision, blood sacrifices, placing ourselves back under Levitical Laws, etc. then yes that is part of a cult movement, that I would call LEGALISM.

HOWEVER, if they want to call studying our Jewish Roots and heritage as Christians, and labeling Messianic Christianity as part of that CULT, you had better take a SERIOUS LOOK at what GOD thinks of that kind of anti-semitism.

The Bride of Christ is the SUM TOTAL of all true believers of all time, including OT saints, as well as NT saints, and Tribulation saints. We are also ALL PART OF THE FIRST RESURRECTION.

OT saints are those who Believed Messiah would come, Believing unto receiving HIM as LORD.
NT saints are those who Believe Messiah did come, Believing unto receiving Him as LORD.


Where do I find PROOF that they CAN believe in HIM whom they have never heard called by the name JESUS?

Romans 1:19-20 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] because that which is known about God is evident within them; for God made it evident to them.
[SUP]20 [/SUP] For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

JESUS IS THE CREATOR, HE even validated that by the feeding of the 5000; plus we are told that.

Colossians 1:16-18 (HCSB)
[SUP]16 [/SUP] For everything was created by Him, in heaven and on earth, the visible and the invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities— all things have been created through Him and for Him.
[SUP]17 [/SUP] He is before all things, and by Him all things hold together.
[SUP]18 [/SUP] He is also the head of the body, the church; He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, so that He might come to have first place in everything.

NOW notice that GOD pronounces a very serious warning to those who would deny the Deity of the Creator.

Romans 1:21-22 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] For though they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God or show gratitude. Instead, their thinking became nonsense, and their senseless minds were darkened.
[SUP]22 [/SUP] Claiming to be wise, they became fools

So how can you shun your brethren who in OT times glorified MESSIAH as GOD? AND NOW, some even want to deny their Messianic Christian Brothers.

Isaiah 43:11 (HCSB)
[SUP]11 [/SUP] I, I am Yahweh, and there is no other Savior but Me.

2 Corinthians 5:19 (ASV)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] to wit, that God was in Christ reconciling the world unto Himself, not reckoning unto them their trespasses, and having committed unto us the word of reconciliation.

1 John 2:9 (ESV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness.

You still don't think we Christians should study our Jewish roots? This should convince you otherwise. ALL SEVEN OF THE FEASTS of ISRAEL were picture prophesies pointing to JESUS as the MESSIAH, and JESUS fulfilled all SEVEN of the FEASTS.

ZLM Video: “Passover/Unleavened Bread”

James 2:9 (NIV)
[SUP]9 [/SUP] But if you show favoritism, you sin and are convicted by the law as lawbreakers.

1 Timothy 5:21 (HCSB)
[SUP]21 [/SUP] I solemnly charge you before God and Christ Jesus and the elect angels to observe these things without prejudice, doing nothing out of favoritism.

Matthew 25:40-41 (NKJV)
[SUP]40 [/SUP] And the King will answer and say to them, 'Assuredly, I say to you, inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me.'
[SUP]41 [/SUP] Then He will also say to those on the left hand, 'Depart from Me, you cursed, into the everlasting fire prepared for the devil and his angels:

Still doubt that OT saints and NT saints are both part of the Bride of Christ? Then open your ears and listen to JESUS.

John 10:15-16 (NKJV)
[SUP]15 [/SUP] As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.
[SUP]16 [/SUP] And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

Isaiah 62:5 (ASV)
[SUP]5 [/SUP] For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee; and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.


For those who genuinely love our Messianic Brethren, ENJOY THIS SONG:

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[danschance]

Christians say they don't believe something to be true, people who refuse to follow Christ say "half baked notion" "you and your cohorts accuse" "cheap shot" "high horse" "look down your nose". And now you are saying that you believe in the law that God gives?

You just did what ever you are accusing me of. It is a cheap shot to say "Christians do not follow God's instruction's". It's very insulting and it is tossed out frequently by those who agree with Hiz. I have seen it many times. How would you feel if I said You teach others to not do what God instruct's? I imagine you would not be happy with such blatant insults.

Do I believe in God's laws? Yes! I have said that many times here but it ignored by you and others. The NT points out that we are literally under the Law of Christ. It never says the laws of Moses.

What is the law of Christ?

 

[danschance]

While I dont normally step foot in "churches" I can say that i have some family members that have attended different "churches" and the vast majority tech that the Commandments and Laws are not on the radar any longer. How ever one wants to word it or slice it Messiah said to keep Yahweh's Law, call it old or whatever you want, Messiah said to keep it.

Yahdah (Jude) 1:4, "For there are certain men who have secretly crept in, who were before of old ordained for this condemnation, unholy men, who turn the undeserved pardon of our One Supreme Savior Yahweh into licentiousness, and deny Yahshua our Messiah."

Hebrews 10:26-31, "For if we sin willfully after we have received the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful expectation of judgment, and fiery indignation which will devour the adversaries. Those who rejected the Law given through Mosheh died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. How much more severely do you think a man deserves to be punished, who has trampled the Son of Yahweh underfoot, and has counted the blood of the covenant (with which He was sanctified) an unholy thing, and who has insulted the Spirit of mercy? For we know Him Who has said: Vengeance is Mine; I will repay, says Yahweh. And again: Yahweh will judge His people. It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living Father."

Zecharyah 7:7-13, "Were not these words of Yahweh proclaimed by the former prophets, when Yerusalem was inhabited and successful, with her villages surrounding her, when men inhabited the South; Negev, and the lowland; western foothills? And the word of Yahweh came to Zecharyah, saying: This is what Yahweh of hosts says! Execute true judgment, and show mercy and compassion, everyone to his brother. Do not oppress the widow, nor the fatherless, the stranger, nor the poor. Let none of you imagine; think or devise, evil in your heart against your brother. But they refused to pay any attention--they turned a stubborn shoulder, and they stopped their ears so they would not be able to hear. Yes, they made their hearts like a hard adamant stone, in order not to hear the Law and the words, which Yahweh of hosts had sent by His Spirit through the former prophets. Therefore, great wrath came from Yahweh of hosts. Just as I called, and they would not hear, so they called, and I would not hear, says Yahweh of hosts!"

Isayah 30:9-13, "That this rebellious people, lying children, are children who will not hear; (listen to), the Law of Yahweh; Who say to the seers; Do not see! Who say to the prophets; Do not prophesy right things to us, speak smooth things to us, prophesy deceits; Get out of the way, turn away from the path, cause the Holy One of Israyl to cease from our presence! Therefore, this is what the Holy One of Israyl says: Because you despise this word (the Law) , and trust in oppression and perverseness, and stay thereon. Therefore, this iniquity will be to you like a breach; a weakened wall ready to fall a bulge of a high wall which breaks suddenly, in an instant."

Isayah 5:20, "Woe to those who call evil righteous, and righteous evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

And if you think Im trying to be or acting like I am on a "high horse" I apologize, sincerely, that is not my intent, feeling or how I want to be viewed. I know I am firm in my stance, but it is because Yahweh has changed me and shown me I know His word and I know the truth of Scripture is much different from the mainline doctrines. I am open to Scripture, I used to think like or similar to how you do, but when I dedicated time to Yahweh and studied His word I found that the Messiah said 10 or so times to keep Yahweh's Law and never said not to. Even in the final Scriptural revelation to man, the Revelation of Yahshua Messiah He says to keep Yahweh's Law. Mosheh prophesied about Messiah by the Spirit of Yahweh and said Messiah is the one we must hear and obey.

Also Scripture itself says this covenant ratified in Yahshua's blood would have us love the Law, it would place the Torah in our hearts. how could the Torah be in ones heart if they hated it and rejected it? Heck a lot even hate the word Torah...

Yes, we are under the law of Christ. We are to love God and love our neighbor as Christ loves us. All 9 of the 10 commandments are affirmed in the NT and I affirm them. The law of Sabbath is not among them nor do I observe it. So to claim that Christians operate under lawlessness or ignore the laws of God is a cheap shot and a huge insult at all of those who disagree with you.

I have spent time in many churches under in many denominations. My father was a Lutheran Pastor. I have even taught confirmation classes. Not once did I hear it was OK to practice lawlessness or ignore the commandments of God (Law of Christ).