SALVATION ONLY POSSIBLE WITHOUT WORKS!

[prodigal]

John was the forerunner to Christ, Water baptism was brought in as a commandment from God through John the baptizer, John baptized for repentance for remission of sins, but it took the blood of Christ which when John preached in the wilderness had not yet happened, therefore since Pentecost it required the teachings of Jesus, see Acts 19 where Paul re-baptized 12 that were baptized by John but never taught Jesus.

Acts 19:1-5 (NKJV)
[SUP]1 [/SUP]And it happened, while Apollos was at Corinth, that Paul, having passed through the upper regions, came to Ephesus. And finding some disciples [SUP]2 [/SUP]he said to them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" So they said to him, "We have not so much as heard whether there is a Holy Spirit." [SUP]3 [/SUP]And he said to them, "Into what then were you baptized?" So they said, "Into John's baptism." [SUP]4 [/SUP]Then Paul said, "John indeed baptized with a baptism of repentance, saying to the people that they should believe on Him who would come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus." [SUP]5[/SUP]When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.

so are you saying there are 2 water baptisms and those baptised by john needn't have bothered cos it didn't count for nothing.

oh and heres the rest of the verse,

Acts 19

King James Version (KJV)

19 And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,
2 He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost.
3 And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.
4 Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus.
5 When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.
6 And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.

cant find anywhere that the disciples got re baptised either,

 

[Galatians2-20]

Of course we are not saved by good works, however, there are several passages of scripture which point out that those who are truly saved will perform good works as a result of their salvation.

What I find really strange are those who attempt to categorize sin as works in an attempt to excuse ongoing sin in their lives. Scripture defines sin as nothing less than rebellion. It also defines works as good deeds performed by man. Not once does scripture ever categorize sin (bad deeds) with works (good deeds) so for someone to use the phrase “we are not saved by works but by grace” in retaliation to someone stating that “a believer should not sin” is both ludacris and deceiving.

 

[newbirth]

Hoffco you have no idea what you are talking about and I do not listen to the two idiots you named...WORKS do not save us, WORKS do not keep us saved, salvation is based upon the COMPLETED WORK OF CHRIST AND HIS FAITH...it is a gift and is eternal, the SPIRIT that is born of GOD does not sin, cannot sin and is eternally sealed and secure in Christ..

When I have people telling me that...

1. MAN INITIATES FAITH
2. MAN MUST SAVE HIMSELF
3. MAN IS SAVED or KEPT SAVED by OUR WORKS

I do not need to listen to any heretics and or lies and I will defend the truth...

I have not said or implied...

1. That we can live anyway we want
2. That we do not have to live for God and keep his word
3. That true believers will not serve God

So, maybe you should study more before you embrace heretical teachers and their works for salvation!

by your fruits you will know them...
Matthew 5:22
King James Version
But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.
Peace brothers be angry but don't sin, we can disagree without name calling.I will take this opportunity to apologize to eternally-grateful for hitting at his sig line. I found out via dcontroversal that the latter part of the verse was not part of the original text I checked. please forgive me bro..

 

[newbirth]

[/COLOR]You do see faith only does not justify:

James 2:24 (KJV) Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only.

and you cannot hope for what you already have
[h=3]1 Thessalonians 5[/h][SUP]8 [/SUP]But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,

 

[Hoffco]

Someone gave us a good list of different verses which address four different aspects of salvation; All without trying to make sense of them, as to how they fit into God's plan of salvation for us sinners.
1. Faith. What is Faith? Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. This is a commitment to Jesus alone as the only savior for sinners. It involves our submission to The LORD Jesus, We promise to obey Jesus as our LORD. Rom.10:9 "If you confess with your mouth Jesus as LORD and believe that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved." Faith is more than a mental assent to Jesus as our savior. It is a real commitment to live for Jesus. there can be no salvation with out works of commitment to our new master, Jesus.
2. He also mentioned the requirement of :"eating the flesh"of Jesus. Jesus also said One must "drink My blood" to be saved. This is not easy to digest, to understand. Jh.6:63 is part of the answer. It speaks of a spiritual relationship that is like eating food, Jesus must be made a living part of my life, I must live for Jesus , obeying everything He tells me to do.
3. the third concept of eternal life is being made a new creation in Christ. 2Cor5:17 This is hard for christians to comprehend today, because they have no idea of what the new birth is. God gives us a BIRTH into His family. He is our FATHER and we are His CHILD. Like FATHER like SON. Is that so hard to understand, If a sinner is not HOLY as His Heavenly Father , then he is not a SON of GOD. At birth into God's family we are given a godly heart like God's. A heart that will obey and not argue over LAWS to obey. 1Jh. speaks of the "seed" of God in us and it can not sin. I think this is who is tripping up dcontroversal, to think that a born again spirit can not sin. 1Jh. 3:9"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." This has to be interpreted in light of !Jh.1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Both verses can not be true as written. So we say, we can not "habitually" sin, OR the part of God His "seed" in us can not sin, Or The new "spirit" put in us an not sin. I could accept all of these thre meaning. I will not fight over a obvious problem verse.
4. The forth one I have forgotten. But let me address the fact ,we are the servant of the one we serve, we can not serve God and satan at the same time. we must chose who we will serve. Obviously we will not be perfect in our serving God, but whom do you serve? Love to all , Hoffco

 

[Cee]

Okay let's go the other way...

You believe that "believe" is conditional, which still doesn't explain being a "new creation" not a temporary one.

But let's do it this way...

How about you're dead! Yes you are dead. And I'll prove it with Scripture and verse.

Just for you.

Salvation is a final act. It results in your death.

Matt 10:39 NLT If you cling to your life, you will lose it; but if you give up your life for me, you will find it.
- Give up your life.

Gal 6:4 But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
- Crucified to the world and the world crucified to you.

Col 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
- You're dead. Life is in Christ.

Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.
- Christ is your life now. He is the truth, way and LIFE.
- Paul later says put to death the things contrary to them, which is really renewing your mind to who you now are. Not what you do.

2 Cor 5:14 For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
- All died.
- But if they don't know shall they believe it? So we gotta tell people.

Col 2:20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:
- You're dead to the world, it has no power over you.

Phil 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
- You now live in heaven. Seated with Christ.
- Dead to the world and alive unto God.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
- His Spirit is the only reason our flesh is alive!!!

1 John 3:14 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 3:5 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[SUP]c[/SUP] 7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[SUP]d[/SUP] must be born again.’ 8The wind[SUP]e[/SUP] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
- Born of the Spirit. Reborn. This is how you ENTER the Kingdom of God. Dying. And live to God, who is Life.

Gal 2:20 My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.


Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life.

When you believe in Him. You were crucified with Him. And now you and Him are one. We see this because the Holy Spirit dwells in your body. Because it has now been Holy. The Holy Spirit is likened to a dove and the dove does not place her feet on anything dead. This is why the dove returned to Noah when the raven did not. It wouldn't put her feet on anything dead so it had no place for her feet.

The Holy Spirit doesn't dwell in sin. You have been made holy, righteous, and blameless. And it first came by dying with Christ. You are now free if you believe this word.

C.

 

[newbirth]

Okay let's go the other way...

You believe that "believe" is conditional, which still doesn't explain being a "new creation" not a temporary one.

But let's do it this way...

How about you're dead! Yes you are dead. And I'll prove it with Scripture and verse.

Just for you.

Salvation is a final act. It results in your death.

Matt 10:39 NLT If you cling to your life, you will lose it; but if you give up your life for me, you will find it.
- Give up your life.

Gal 6:4 But far be it from me to boast except in the cross of our Lord Jesus Christ, by which the world has been crucified to me, and I to the world.
- Crucified to the world and the world crucified to you.

Col 3:3 For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God.
- You're dead. Life is in Christ.

Col 3:4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory.
- Christ is your life now. He is the truth, way and LIFE.
- Paul later says put to death the things contrary to them, which is really renewing your mind to who you now are. Not what you do.

2 Cor 5:14 For Christ's love compels us, because we are convinced that one died for all, and therefore all died.
- All died.
- But if they don't know shall they believe it? So we gotta tell people.

Col 2:20 Since you died with Christ to the elemental spiritual forces of this world, why, as though you still belonged to the world, do you submit to its rules:
- You're dead to the world, it has no power over you.

Phil 3:20 But our citizenship is in heaven, and from it we await a Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ,
- You now live in heaven. Seated with Christ.
- Dead to the world and alive unto God.

Romans 8:11 But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you.
- His Spirit is the only reason our flesh is alive!!!

1 John 3:14 "Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life.

John 3:5 5Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God. 6That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.[SUP]c[/SUP] 7Do not marvel that I said to you, ‘You[SUP]d[/SUP] must be born again.’ 8The wind[SUP]e[/SUP] blows where it wishes, and you hear its sound, but you do not know where it comes from or where it goes. So it is with everyone who is born of the Spirit.”
- Born of the Spirit. Reborn. This is how you ENTER the Kingdom of God. Dying. And live to God, who is Life.

Gal 2:20 My old self has been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ lives in me. So I live in this earthly body by trusting in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me.


Jesus is the Way, Truth, and Life.

When you believe in Him. You were crucified with Him. And now you and Him are one. We see this because the Holy Spirit dwells in your body. Because it has now been Holy. The Holy Spirit is likened to a dove and the dove does not place her feet on anything dead. This is why the dove returned to Noah when the raven did not. It wouldn't put her feet on anything dead so it had no place for her feet.

The Holy Spirit doesn't dwell in sin. You have been made holy, righteous, and blameless. And it first came by dying with Christ. You are now free if you believe this word.

C.

If you pollute God's temple do you think he will dwell in it, do you think an empty house will remain empty forever will another not come and dwell in it.

[h=3]Romans 8:12-14[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]12 [/SUP]Therefore, brethren, we are debtors, not to the flesh, to live after the flesh.

[SUP]13 [/SUP]For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

[SUP]14 [/SUP]For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.


[h=3]Colossians 3:4-6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

[SUP]4 [/SUP]When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:

[SUP]6 [/SUP]For which things' sake the wrath of God cometh on the children of disobedience:



[h=3]Hebrews 6[/h]King James Version (KJV)

6 Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,

[SUP]2 [/SUP]Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And this will we do, if God permit.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

[SUP]5 [/SUP]And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

[SUP]6 [/SUP]If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]For the earth which drinketh in the rain that cometh oft upon it, and bringeth forth herbs meet for them by whom it is dressed, receiveth blessing from God:

[SUP]8 [/SUP]But that which beareth thorns and briers is rejected, and is nigh unto cursing; whose end is to be burned.

[SUP]9 [/SUP]But, beloved, we are persuaded better things of you, and things that accompany salvation, though we thus speak.

[SUP]10 [/SUP]For God is not unrighteous to forget your work and labour of love, which ye have shewed toward his name, in that ye have ministered to the saints, and do minister.

[SUP]11 [/SUP]And we desire that every one of you do shew the same diligence to the full assurance of hope unto the end:

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Someone gave us a good list of different verses which address four different aspects of salvation; All without trying to make sense of them, as to how they fit into God's plan of salvation for us sinners.
1. Faith. What is Faith? Believing on the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior. This is a commitment to Jesus alone as the only savior for sinners. It involves our submission to The LORD Jesus, We promise to obey Jesus as our LORD. Rom.10:9 "If you confess with your mouth Jesus as LORD and believe that God has raised Him from the dead, you shall be saved." Faith is more than a mental assent to Jesus as our savior. It is a real commitment to live for Jesus. there can be no salvation with out works of commitment to our new master, Jesus.

faith is an assurance, a trust. It is in the promises of God concerning the gospel. nothing more nothing less.

2. He also mentioned the requirement of :"eating the flesh"of Jesus. Jesus also said One must "drink My blood" to be saved. This is not easy to digest, to understand. Jh.6:63 is part of the answer. It speaks of a spiritual relationship that is like eating food, Jesus must be made a living part of my life, I must live for Jesus , obeying everything He tells me to do.

severe mistranslation of this passage.

jesus said whoever eats will never hunger, never thirst, live forever, never die, has eternal life, and will be raised by him on the last day. he compaired this to the food we have to keep eating, yet dies, this food one can eat and live forever.

it is the spirit who gives life, the words he speaks are spirit and life. nothign about works in here.

3. the third concept of eternal life is being made a new creation in Christ. 2Cor5:17 This is hard for christians to comprehend today, because they have no idea of what the new birth is. God gives us a BIRTH into His family. He is our FATHER and we are His CHILD. Like FATHER like SON. Is that so hard to understand, If a sinner is not HOLY as His Heavenly Father , then he is not a SON of GOD. At birth into God's family we are given a godly heart like God's. A heart that will obey and not argue over LAWS to obey. 1Jh. speaks of the "seed" of God in us and it can not sin. I think this is who is tripping up dcontroversal, to think that a born again spirit can not sin. 1Jh. 3:9"Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for His seed remains in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been born of God." This has to be interpreted in light of !Jh.1:8 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. Both verses can not be true as written. So we say, we can not "habitually" sin, OR the part of God His "seed" in us can not sin, Or The new "spirit" put in us an not sin. I could accept all of these thre meaning. I will not fight over a obvious problem verse.

It is God who makes us holy, not ourselves. We can not be holy. even on our best day we are so unholy in the eyes of a holy God we would deserve being struck down. All the men in scripture. no matter how holy they were. fell on their faces, because they knew how totally sinful they were. When you realise this, you may finally realise what grace is

4. The forth one I have forgotten. But let me address the fact ,we are the servant of the one we serve, we can not serve God and satan at the same time. we must chose who we will serve. Obviously we will not be perfect in our serving God, but whom do you serve? Love to all , Hoffco

Everything you posted concerns sanctification. Trying to make this as a prerequisite for salvation is teaching a false gospel of self. And will not be accepted by God.

Stop trying to earn your gift, and trust God to give it to you. He promised to make you Holy. Trust him, and stop trusting self!

 

[Jabberjaw]

You have it backwards. We do not learn the english to understand the greek.

1. The NT was not written in english, it was translated to english
2. We use the greek to understand the english and test of the translation is ok. Or to further understand when the engish is lacking in properly interpreting the greek.

The english is a flawed, imperfect language,

The greek is a strong much more clear and precise language, minus the flaws in the english.

There is a reason God chose to use the greek, and not english to write the NT.

The majority of the time someone like you goes to the Greek, is to try twist it to make your twisted English appear correct.

 

[Jabberjaw]

???????

And if you don't understand Chinese, how can you possibly understand Swahili?

Your ignorance of linguistics is showing.

You claiming to know Greek, and actually knowing it are two different things, it shows you don't know it by your twisting of it in attempt to twist the English, your intellectually challenged in that department.

 

[LT]

why all the personal attacks and trolling on this thread.
Let's keep it civil.
We all realize that there are some deep differences between views, especially on these types of threads,
but both sides are getting too aggressive.

Less ad hominem, more Christ.

 

[Jabberjaw]

I agree and no doubt...can you imagine the absurdity of saying you can be saved without being justified and that you can loose your salvation if you don't do works to keep it current....

No matter how you slice it and dice it they teach works for salvation and the completed work of Christ is not sufficient to save anyone......

No, but it would be like three unlearned people that think God will do all the work holding them up. and if they fall its Gods fault.

 

[Elin]

claiming to know Greek, and actually knowing it are two different things,

Agreed.

As is claiming to read the Greek definitions of words, such as "justification,"
and actually reading the Greek definitions of words are likewise two different things.

There is no shortage of Greek scholars to translate the koine Greek.
Failure to consult them shows. . .? several things.

 

[Elin]

claiming to know Greek, and actually knowing it are two different things

Agreed.

Let's hear your definition of "justification" from the Greek.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

The majority of the time someone like you goes to the Greek, is to try twist it to make your twisted English appear correct.

actually the majority of the time you REFUSE to go to the greek, is to twist and make your belief correct.

there is no other reson not to go to the greek. for it should be the final authority.

 

[Elin]

You have it backwards. We do not learn the english to understand the greek.

1. The NT was not written in english, it was translated to english
2. We use the greek to understand the english and test of the translation is ok. Or to further understand when the engish is lacking in properly interpreting the greek.

The english is a flawed, imperfect language,

The greek is a strong much more clear and precise language, minus the flaws in the english.

There is a reason God chose to use the greek, and not english to write the NT.

The majority of the time someone like you goes to the Greek, is to try twist it to make your twisted English appear correct.

Oh, that's rich (translate absurd)!

Like someone trying to twist the English dictionary to fit their view.

Your common reasoning could use some work.

Your nonsense is a waste of your time and ours here.

 

[Elin]

claiming to know Greek, and actually knowing it are two different things

Agreed.

Let's hear your definition of "justification" from the Greek.

Still waiting. . .

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Agreed.

Let's hear your definition of "justification" from the Greek.

or better yet. the actually greek translation. not some twisted defenition no one in the 1st century would have used.

 

[Cassian]

Agreed.

Let's hear your definition of "justification" from the Greek.

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Agreed.

Let's hear your definition of "justification" from the Greek.

Dikaio - to make right, aright, righteous, just

Your problem is that words may have many meanings. It is the context that will determine which meaning suffices.
In all the other instances dikaio is used (noun -or verb) such as in Rom 4:25, Rom 5:16,18, Rom 3:4, Rom 3:20, Rom 3:24, Rom 5:1, Rom 8:30, I Cor 6:11, Gal 2:16, Gal 5:4, James 2:24, Rom 8:33, Matt 12:37, Luke 18:14, Acts 13:39, none of them use the meaning of pardon, guiltlessness, to aquit. Guess who is using this word with the exception of Matthew & Luke, Paul. Why would Paul use another meaning only ONE time where you are using it, I presume is Rom 5:1.

Even in English, the pardon definition is listed as #5 in my dictionary. Those in front of it are to align, to adjust, to make exact, then my dictionary, has theological meaning, being accepted, righteous, Then the law meaning, to pardon, to aquite, not guilty.

The only persons in theology that use the Latin meaning which was primary, is the legal use, who seemingly need it to support an errant doctrine. The strange thing we have here is that both faith, works have the same meaning, in Rom 5:1, and James 2:24. Yet I don't see these same individuals use this meaning when Paul uses it with works. Strange to say the least. You have actually created a contradiction in your own theology.

Not only that but Paul within two verses uses two words that convey the same meaning, In II Cor 5:18-19 (reconcile) which means either atonement, conciliation -katallagon, and then in vs 20 where he states that believers should reconcile themselves to God it is the same word, By being reconciled to God he means by faith, justification by faith is how we reconcile ourselves to God. In Greek the meanings are really the same, atonement, it to be made right, aright conciliation.

It has the same meaning as we use when we justify, reconcile our check books with the bank statement. You would not use the legal term here to say that one declared the statements not guilty. It means to align, make straight(just).

Theologically, even if you used the term that faith justifies, to pardon, to be declared not guilty, it does not help your theological definition of salvation. Since salvation is not about being declared not guilty. It is about keeping ourselves aligned with the will of God. It is all about living right, aligning our lives with His example.

If you want to use the word for repentance the meaning would actually fit, becaue it means God forgives us of our sin, thus we are no longer guilty of those sins. But since the Christian life is filled with repentance and confession. neither of these constitutes the meaning of salvaton. They are means by which we stay reconciled, justified, before God so that our salvation can proceed. If we lose faith, in your parlence, become guilty again, we are in danger of not being IN Christ, without repentance, declared not guilty again.

Both context and theological meaning is important in the use of words and their multiple meanings.
Anselm has led the west, both RCC and all Protestants astray with his use of the Latin, legal meaning of dikaio.

 

[And]

Too much theology, makes no sense.

Father and child

child disobeys, father says you did wrong you broke my word
child feels bad says sorry
Father hugs and forgives
child does NOT break law again.
everything fine.

Child keeps stealing cookies
father very unhappy/.\\

so simple a child can understand it


Gal 1:6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the grace of Christ unto another gospel:
Gal 1:7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would pervert the gospel of Christ.
Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let him be accursed.
Gal 1:10 For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.
Gal 1:11 But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man.
Gal 1:12 For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.




I forgive you
go and sin no more

he expects you to keep the moral law

any other gospel is satanic.

Noah could not have been saved without righteous works by faith in Gods word.

it is always righteous to do the works God told you to do.


If you do not do the works of god you sin

James 4:17 Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is sin.