Do We Even Care About the TRUTH?
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I care about truth. Here's some.
[h=3]Revelation 12:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There are those here to fellowship and learn, and there are those who want to destroy. A fellow poster was right I think, the prince of this world has followers that work together, while the children of Almighty are divided. We don't have to get snared, we can ignore. We don't have to argue, it take 2 to argue.
Time is growing shorter, and the evil will grow. Get your garments ready. Are you counting the Omer? There's blessing in that.
[h=3]Revelation 12:17[/h]King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There are those here to fellowship and learn, and there are those who want to destroy. A fellow poster was right I think, the prince of this world has followers that work together, while the children of Almighty are divided. We don't have to get snared, we can ignore. We don't have to argue, it take 2 to argue.
Time is growing shorter, and the evil will grow. Get your garments ready. Are you counting the Omer? There's blessing in that.
P
I care about truth. Here's some.
Revelation 12:17
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There are those here to fellowship and learn, and there are those who want to destroy. A fellow poster was right I think, the prince of this world has followers that work together, while the children of Almighty are divided. We don't have to get snared, we can ignore. We don't have to argue, it take 2 to argue.
Time is growing shorter, and the evil will grow. Get your garments ready. Are you counting the Omer? There's blessing in that.
Revelation 12:17
King James Version (KJV)
[SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
There are those here to fellowship and learn, and there are those who want to destroy. A fellow poster was right I think, the prince of this world has followers that work together, while the children of Almighty are divided. We don't have to get snared, we can ignore. We don't have to argue, it take 2 to argue.
Time is growing shorter, and the evil will grow. Get your garments ready. Are you counting the Omer? There's blessing in that.
When one is unable to accept clear scripture, there is a good possibilty that someone is on the wrong side. The Word is what it is all about. It is God, and God made it flesh thru His Son, and His Son taught it to the jews, and, thru Paul, the gentiles, then the Holy Ghost inspired Godly men who wrote it down, and it is all and only what we ever need.
Please give scripture saying that Christ is the Passover. Passover is a feast reenacting the way God freed the Hebrews from slavery as Christ frees us from the slavery of sin. You say Christ is the feast, Christ is the enactment of Christ. That is like saying Christ is Easter so we must not have Easter any longer. Please explain?
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1 Corinthians 5 speaks of Judging those in the church in order to keep the church holy and purging the evil ones deserving of death out of the church by excommunicating them going so far as not sharing company by even sitting down to eat with such people to be certain they are shamed for their acts, (so that they actually have shame.)
What portion of 1 Cor 5 speaks of Gods people or the Angel of Death passing over such people
(overlooking them as if they're somehow justified) in this circumstance?
What portion of 1 Cor 5 speaks of Gods people or the Angel of Death passing over such people
(overlooking them as if they're somehow justified) in this circumstance?
R
unfortunately the issue of the year of jesus' death and resurrection is actually more complicated than you are making it...
there are calculations that you can use retroactively to see when passover would theoretically have been celebrated in any given year...but the catch is that they didn't use mathematical calculations to determine the date of passover in those days...
in jesus' time they determined the date of passover by direct observation of the phases of the moon...this method is subject to the 'human factor' and so it would not necessarily have given a date that agrees with the mathematical calculations that were developed later...
there are calculations that you can use retroactively to see when passover would theoretically have been celebrated in any given year...but the catch is that they didn't use mathematical calculations to determine the date of passover in those days...
in jesus' time they determined the date of passover by direct observation of the phases of the moon...this method is subject to the 'human factor' and so it would not necessarily have given a date that agrees with the mathematical calculations that were developed later...
Mar 16:9 Early on the first day of the week, after He had risen, He appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom He had driven seven demons.
I was so excited at your post, but when I went to the scripture it says "after he had risen", not anything about that he rose on the first day of the week. Just that he had risen. We know that was when it was discovered that He rose.
I was so excited at your post, but when I went to the scripture it says "after he had risen", not anything about that he rose on the first day of the week. Just that he had risen. We know that was when it was discovered that He rose.
R
i don't know what translation you are using...but here is what my NASB says..."Now after He had risen early on the first day of the week, He first appeared to Mary Magdalene, from whom He had cast out seven demons."
i also looked at the greek text earlier and it is in agreement with the NASB translation...in fact the greek makes it even more clear that 'the first day of the week' is referring to when jesus rose...
i also looked at the greek text earlier and it is in agreement with the NASB translation...in fact the greek makes it even more clear that 'the first day of the week' is referring to when jesus rose...
This is the first I have heard that scripture says he rose on the first day of the week, Good research.
If God took Christ on the first day of the week, what do you suppose God was telling us by that? God is eternal, and we need to look at all Christ did in terms of the eternal characteristics of God. All Christ changed did not change any of God's ways but made them more precise. How would God taking Christ on the first day of the week change the direction of honoring the Sabbath?
If God took Christ on the first day of the week, what do you suppose God was telling us by that? God is eternal, and we need to look at all Christ did in terms of the eternal characteristics of God. All Christ changed did not change any of God's ways but made them more precise. How would God taking Christ on the first day of the week change the direction of honoring the Sabbath?
P
If you are a pacifist, satan will eat you for breakfast. Tell me, what kind of mental picture do you get when you read this? "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour"...............Paul said "Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand"
The word stand used in this instance defines as this: "Assume an attitude of offence or defense-also stanch, quench, quell, put to an end-bring to a halt."
Does that sound like you are supposed sit on your hands while satan has his way?
In the 17th chapter of Acts we see Paul passing by, and seeing an altar to the "Unknown God", he immediately stops, stood on Mars Hill and preached to them.
In the 18th chapter of Acts, the Lord told Paul to "Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace".
Does that sound like God wants you to put "priestly garments" and call that serving God?
Back to Ephesians in chapter 6, we read "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, ...For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak"
Christ Himself said "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day"
Sounds to me like the word of God is pretty important.
"Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment"
You try to keep the law if you want. You folks that are sabbath keepers by command, are following the commandments of men. "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men".
Now myself, I don't want the effort to be in vain. I want the reward that is promised to me if I keep the faith. Why you want to run the risk of running in vain is beyond me. The bible is very clear, and tho satan, thru false prophets and ignorant men, tries to make it different, it stands to this day.
Do what you wish. You are your own free moral agent, "but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
Good day.
The word stand used in this instance defines as this: "Assume an attitude of offence or defense-also stanch, quench, quell, put to an end-bring to a halt."
Does that sound like you are supposed sit on your hands while satan has his way?
In the 17th chapter of Acts we see Paul passing by, and seeing an altar to the "Unknown God", he immediately stops, stood on Mars Hill and preached to them.
In the 18th chapter of Acts, the Lord told Paul to "Be not afraid, but speak, and hold not thy peace".
Does that sound like God wants you to put "priestly garments" and call that serving God?
Back to Ephesians in chapter 6, we read "And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, ...For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak"
Christ Himself said "He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day"
Sounds to me like the word of God is pretty important.
"Ye must be circumcised, and keep the law: to whom we gave no such commandment"
You try to keep the law if you want. You folks that are sabbath keepers by command, are following the commandments of men. "But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men".
Now myself, I don't want the effort to be in vain. I want the reward that is promised to me if I keep the faith. Why you want to run the risk of running in vain is beyond me. The bible is very clear, and tho satan, thru false prophets and ignorant men, tries to make it different, it stands to this day.
Do what you wish. You are your own free moral agent, "but as for me and my house, we will serve the Lord."
Good day.
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If my understanding is correct. The actual day that passover is observed is different from year to year, beginning with the Aviv barley, (which doesn't happen each year on the same day,) and the new moon, (which is also a different day every month throughout the year.) So the day of the resurrection that we honor would follow suit.
Sort of like our own birthdays, we might have been born on a Tuesday, but each year our birthdays happen on a different day.
With that in mind, The very resurrection of Christ happened on the seventh day, but each year the day follows as a different day, or a new day, and sometimes, it does happen to be on the seventh day. Even though from even to even, from Friday at sunset, to Saturday at sunset, is to be honored always.
Even the first and last day of Passover and unleavened bread are to be honored as Sabbaths. Those days are not the same days, celebrated at the exact time every year, and they don't always happen on a Saturday.
Sort of like our own birthdays, we might have been born on a Tuesday, but each year our birthdays happen on a different day.
With that in mind, The very resurrection of Christ happened on the seventh day, but each year the day follows as a different day, or a new day, and sometimes, it does happen to be on the seventh day. Even though from even to even, from Friday at sunset, to Saturday at sunset, is to be honored always.
Even the first and last day of Passover and unleavened bread are to be honored as Sabbaths. Those days are not the same days, celebrated at the exact time every year, and they don't always happen on a Saturday.
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the non resistant christian is not a pacifist but rather a peace maker. you might look at how the anabaptists have responded to military service. They will die but refuse to kill. there is a wonderful story of some southern mennonites drafted into the confederate army during the american civil war. in the first battle the great stonewall jackson rode up and down behind the troops waving his sword with bullets flying like bees around him. when he came to the mennonites he looked and shouted: "you're shooting too high." the answer was simple. "of course we are, there are men over there." it was decided that the mennonites were better farmers than soldiers and they were sent home.
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I will assume you directed that response to me, so I will take liberty to answer it.
I haven't said, nor does the bible, that our war is physical. Our weapon of offense, our sword, is the Word of God. The bible is not a gun that shoots bullets. This is a battle waged in the minds and hearts of every person born on this planet. It has nothing to do with literal war, as such. As for being a peacemaker, fine, but never, at anytime, are we told to make peace with satan. Quite the contrary. Why do you think we need all this armour? The sword is not a weapon of defense, but of offense. Peacemakers must be prepared to wield the sword to maintain, or obtain peace, wouldn't you agree?
I haven't said, nor does the bible, that our war is physical. Our weapon of offense, our sword, is the Word of God. The bible is not a gun that shoots bullets. This is a battle waged in the minds and hearts of every person born on this planet. It has nothing to do with literal war, as such. As for being a peacemaker, fine, but never, at anytime, are we told to make peace with satan. Quite the contrary. Why do you think we need all this armour? The sword is not a weapon of defense, but of offense. Peacemakers must be prepared to wield the sword to maintain, or obtain peace, wouldn't you agree?
C
I'd say Isaiah 59:17.
The passage says:
Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken falsely, and your tongue mutters wicked things. No one calls for justice; no one pleads a case with integrity. They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil. They hatch the eggs of vipers and spin a spider’s web. Whoever eats their eggs will die, and when one is broken, an adder is hatched. Their cobwebs are useless for clothing; they cannot cover themselves with what they make. Their deeds are evil deeds, and acts of violence are in their hands. Their feet rush into sin; they are swift to shed innocent blood. They pursue evil schemes; acts of violence mark their ways. The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks along them will know peace. So justice is far from us, and righteousness does not reach us. We look for light, but all is darkness; for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows. Like the blind we grope along the wall, feeling our way like people without eyes. At midday we stumble as if it were twilight; among the strong, we are like the dead. We all growl like bears; we moan mournfully like doves. We look for justice, but find none; for deliverance, but it is far away. For our offenses are many in your sight, and our sins testify against us. Our offenses are ever with us, and we acknowledge our iniquities: rebellion and treachery against the Lord, turning our backs on our God, inciting revolt and oppression, uttering lies our hearts have conceived. So justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter. Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.
The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm achieved salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him. He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak. According to what they have done, so will he repay wrath to his enemies and retribution to his foes; he will repay the islands their due. From the west, people will fear the name of the Lord, and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory. For he will come like a pent-up flood that the breath of the Lord drives along. “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins.
Of course those liken that "armour" to a roman soldier don't want you to know...
The passage says:
Surely the arm of the Lord is not too short to save, nor his ear too dull to hear. But your iniquities have separated you from your God; your sins have hidden his face from you, so that he will not hear. For your hands are stained with blood, your fingers with guilt. Your lips have spoken falsely, and your tongue mutters wicked things. No one calls for justice; no one pleads a case with integrity. They rely on empty arguments, they utter lies; they conceive trouble and give birth to evil. They hatch the eggs of vipers and spin a spider’s web. Whoever eats their eggs will die, and when one is broken, an adder is hatched. Their cobwebs are useless for clothing; they cannot cover themselves with what they make. Their deeds are evil deeds, and acts of violence are in their hands. Their feet rush into sin; they are swift to shed innocent blood. They pursue evil schemes; acts of violence mark their ways. The way of peace they do not know; there is no justice in their paths. They have turned them into crooked roads; no one who walks along them will know peace. So justice is far from us, and righteousness does not reach us. We look for light, but all is darkness; for brightness, but we walk in deep shadows. Like the blind we grope along the wall, feeling our way like people without eyes. At midday we stumble as if it were twilight; among the strong, we are like the dead. We all growl like bears; we moan mournfully like doves. We look for justice, but find none; for deliverance, but it is far away. For our offenses are many in your sight, and our sins testify against us. Our offenses are ever with us, and we acknowledge our iniquities: rebellion and treachery against the Lord, turning our backs on our God, inciting revolt and oppression, uttering lies our hearts have conceived. So justice is driven back, and righteousness stands at a distance; truth has stumbled in the streets, honesty cannot enter. Truth is nowhere to be found, and whoever shuns evil becomes a prey.
The Lord looked and was displeased that there was no justice. He saw that there was no one, he was appalled that there was no one to intervene; so his own arm achieved salvation for him, and his own righteousness sustained him. He put on righteousness as his breastplate, and the helmet of salvation on his head; he put on the garments of vengeance and wrapped himself in zeal as in a cloak. According to what they have done, so will he repay wrath to his enemies and retribution to his foes; he will repay the islands their due. From the west, people will fear the name of the Lord, and from the rising of the sun, they will revere his glory. For he will come like a pent-up flood that the breath of the Lord drives along. “The Redeemer will come to Zion, to those in Jacob who repent of their sins.
Of course those liken that "armour" to a roman soldier don't want you to know...
P
I sure wish you folks would step up out of the old testament covenant and partake of the one we have now. The one that gives us salvation thru faith. The one that God sacrificed His Son on the cross for.
I challenge you , or anyone else, to refute what I said in post 143 and 152 using scripture. You can't because it is scripture. Forsake the law and live in the "perfect law of liberty" with all spiritual jews, not the jews of the flesh.
I challenge you , or anyone else, to refute what I said in post 143 and 152 using scripture. You can't because it is scripture. Forsake the law and live in the "perfect law of liberty" with all spiritual jews, not the jews of the flesh.