Is there such a thing as an atheist?

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mustaphadrink

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I think the author, however, may be putting Paul’s words into Jesus’ mouth; but that is separate matter. It is enough to point out that Jesus is portrayed as not being aware of the importance of washing hands before eating.
We are discussing serious issues and what do the atheists come up with.....the importance of washing hands.

Strewth! They are truly a small minded lot. Does the term 'bird brain' come to mind?
 
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Thats what they do, they misconbobble and start down a path and abruptly change to another. Fact is they don't want it. But, are just curios enough to stay on here 20 hours a day. Go figure.
 

mustaphadrink

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I have not told any lies. Everything I have said I believe can be verified, but I will not, and I have not claimed, that I can prove God does not exist. I will say I have never found evidence that God exists and for me that is enough.
There we go again......'I' have, 'I' have, 'I' will not, 'I' have not, 'I' can, 'I' will, 'I' have.....

'I' wonder if he is a politician. You know when they have counted the votes and they say "the 'I's' have it."

Or we could try this verse of scripture....

Matthew 7:5 You're nothing but show-offs! First, take the log out of your own 'I'. Then you can see how to take the speck out of your friend's eye. (paraphrased) If you do that the 'I' becomes _

This may be a bit too subtle for atheists as the log in their eye is stopping them from seeing.
 
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The most you can say is that there is no God because there is no evidence for God....that God didn't speak to you or whatever. The reality of it is, is that it is based on your OPINION. You are talking in circles and you are hiding from God. Its just that simple. Hiding from God because you are too proud to see yourself as you really are. You believe that there is no cause for what was caused and then all the subsequent causes were caused from something that was caused by no cause. Atheism is just an absurd place to land.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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I'm not annoyed by your experiences. They don't really impact my life. I can tell you what you lacked; however, was endurance.

What Does the Bible Say About Endurance?

You're a quitter, in other words. So instead of experiencing God, His love, His forgiveness, His assistance, His wisdom, His joy, etc... etc... etc... as I certainly have: you are u ἄπιστος, ον and spend your time on a Christian forum making false assertions about God.

http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/85887-there-such-thing-atheist-105.html#post1500700

Yet while you live, God's offer of reconciliation remains (2 Timothy 2:13).

I am a resident Atheist, any questions???



My experience doesn't say anything about your experience with prayer. I was simply attempting to convey to you what I experienced. I attempted to reach God, that was my point. I tried very hard. I did not get a response and that is why I ended up becoming an atheist.

So often Christians explain that all one has to do is reach out and God will answer. They say this because they believe this is what will happen. I am living proof it doesn't always work that way, and it doesn't matter whether anyone else believes I was sincere enough in my effort; but I suppose it is somewhat annoying, all the same, when people deny my sincerity. I know I was sincere and that is all that should matter.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Wrong. That's a misconception of yours. At a minimum, God revealed Himself to you through His Word and general revelation.

On a spiritual level, I can tell you from experience that God is present even when we don't sense His presence.

The bottom line is that you abandoned God, publicly denied Him, and now live your life as a self-identified atheist making false assertions about Him on Christian Chat and presumably off CC as well.


I’ve never thought of myself as separating myself from God. It was God who never reached out to me when I sent my pleas heavenward those many decades ago. Also, there was no public denial. Later I did tell my closest friend, but only after learning he too had become an atheist.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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There's nothing wrong with my phrasing. You have made false assertions and as I have the time and see them, I correct your false assertions with explanation.

Of course, that's another false assertion in and of itself (e.g. falsely asserting that I don't take the time to offer explanation when in post after post I certainly have).

And I'm repeating myself in that I never accused you of lying or deliberately misinforming. That's all in your head. I may state that your position is disingenuous or that you're being disingenuous with respect to a particular assertion but I have always believed that you're stating it in good faith.

But in the false metaphysical worldview of atheism, it's not ultimately important whether you are or not because you're nothing more than a random accident of complex bacteria the material universe will soon purge itself of as it expands to the point no biological life can ever exist in it again.

Fortunately, the reality is very different. Well, for those of us whom have received God's down payment in our person and now look forward to citizenship in with God (cf. Eph. 1:3; 2:6; Col. 3:1–4) immortal and imperishable (see 1 Cor. 15:35–54) upon the death of our lowly mortal body.

Now this man I know personally:

[video=youtube_share;h2X5uAB692A]http://youtu.be/h2X5uAB692A[/video]




The problem is in your phrasing. I do not make false assertions, but I do make assertions you think to be false. I would have less cause to complain if you simply stated that you disagreed with me and explained why. I am just concerned that if you state I am making false assertions you leave open the possibility that I am deliberately misinforming. I do not do this.

Perhaps I am too sensitive in thinking my character is being besmirched when that is not really what you meant to imply.
 
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The most you can say is that there is no God because there is no evidence for God....that God didn't speak to you or whatever. The reality of it is, is that it is based on your OPINION. You are talking in circles and you are hiding from God. Its just that simple. Hiding from God because you are too proud to see yourself as you really are. You believe that there is no cause for what was caused and then all the subsequent causes were caused from something that was caused by no cause. Atheism is just an absurd place to land.
That is enough, it is not absurd to disbelieve something which lacks evidence.
 
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that's not true. The world would have you believe the evidence suggests contrary to the bible but that very simply isn't the truth. The bible is 2/3 prophecy. Think about that, shouldn't that be EASY to disprove? just think about it. Look at Israel when you do.
I will answer this with a link regarding bible prophecy.

Prophecy - Iron Chariots Wiki

I know its a biased site but their arguments match my own in response to evidence from biblical prophecies.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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There is a great body of empirical collaborative evidence for the Christian worldview that has been compiled and qualified by some of the world's best scholars over the centuries. It's absurd to falsely assert the Christian worldview is not evidential.


That is enough, it is not absurd to disbelieve something which lacks evidence.
 
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Yes me

Your type of evidence differs with mine so depending on one's definition of evidence, neither of us are absurd :)
Well there are a whole bunch of very intelligent studied historians, astrophysicists, scientists etc who beg to differ.
 
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Well there are a whole bunch of very intelligent studied historians, astrophysicists, scientists etc who beg to differ.
ok good for them

I don't think there is sufficient evidence, many people think there is. Thus the disagreement ...
 

mustaphadrink

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Thats what they do, they misconbobble and start down a path and abruptly change to another. Fact is they don't want it. But, are just curios enough to stay on here 20 hours a day. Go figure.
Still trying to figure Kerry. It is so illogical and what makes it more illogical is that they claim to be the masters of logic. Go figure as you say Kerry.
 

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First century martyrs, writings of the
Early Church Fathers, many early New Testament manuscripts are evidence that early Christians were more than a few and lived in a way that exemplified their faith.
 

mustaphadrink

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Lacks evidence according to who? You?
I have noticed Sirk that atheists have a little red book where they store all their catch phrases. You know, the one they refer to to drag out some claim that is absurd. One of them is the term "lacking evidence." I notice that one comes out when they cannot refute the evidence.

It is such a silly claim as I have looked up the internet for things like "did Jesus exist" or "does God exist" or "evidence for God" and the such like and I usually get millions of sites that tell us that the answer is yes.

Amongst those millions, there must be something to satisfy everyone depending on where they are coming from. So when an atheist says there is a lack of evidence what he is really saying is there is evidence but I am going to ignore it because it will blow my unproven theories sky high.
 
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First century martyrs, writings of the
Early Church Fathers, many early New Testament manuscripts are evidence that early Christians were more than a few and lived in a way that exemplified their faith.
Agreed, I consider that evidence for authenticity of christianity as a religion. I do not however consider it evidence for any supernatural claims. Just because people believe something is true does not make it true.
 

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Atheism is just an absurd place to land.
That is if there is anywhere to land on. If everything is a product of chance and it changes one day to the next, it would be very dangerous to try and land because there might be a runway one minute and the next it has turned into the caped crusader and all you are left with is a hole.

Bears thinking about.
 

mustaphadrink

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Agreed, I consider that evidence for authenticity of christianity as a religion. I do not however consider it evidence for any supernatural claims. Just because people believe something is true does not make it true.
Yes as in "I believe God does not exist." Saying that does not make it true and does not make God fly away into never never land.