it's important for people to realize that God gave us ample evidence to allow us to trust His Word. How you ask? because as we find more ancient manuscripts it would be all too easy to find manuscripts that disagree with what we currently hold to be the Word of God. Amazingly (or some might say) DIVINELY God produces thousands upon thousands of handwritten manuscripts spread over time and distance that agree to the letter. God trumps satan- yet again.
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You asked for a source to try to prove that what I said wasn't so, you have no interest in looking for truth as you have shown over and over in your posts. I am glad you admit it for all the world to see. If I had asked for a source it would have been to check you for truth, not with the intents and motivations you have. You will not look at my sources, we know that, for they might lead you to truth.
I don't normally engage in dialogue like this because it's pointless... but...
Ad hominem overload. This makes me a sad panda.
I would like to hear you out on your points Red, but it's hard when this is what you are offering.
Ad hominem overload. This makes me a sad panda.
I would like to hear you out on your points Red, but it's hard when this is what you are offering.
We should be able to simply discuss Constantine's role in the bible choice, and we could bring in his overall role as a side issue. He is a controversial figure and we could all learn much from it. That a personal vendetta should enter in is just terrible.
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Then, after that, has the gall to point the finger at another for doing precisely what she just did, that is, to sidestep scripture and assert a personal attack.
I have to say, I am laughing while I type this one. This is too rich, red...you poor persecuted person.
Here, let me give you a little more ammo!
The amount of false historical accusations and assumptions being being passed off as "truth" in this thread is appalling. Also, the ONLY MENTION of any 'Bible books' during the council was the conclusion that Judith was part of the canon. NOTHING else is mentioned in that aspect. First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
There's so many historical documents from the first few centuries and onward, it's a shame they don't get read very often!
The Council of Nicea and the Nicene Era
Here's a site that includes thousands of pages of documents and histories, both ante-Nicene and post-Nicene:
Early Church Fathers - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
Also, the ONLY MENTION of any 'Bible books' during the council was the conclusion that Judith was part of the canon. NOTHING else is mentioned in that aspect. First Council of Nicaea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaThere's so many historical documents from the first few centuries and onward, it's a shame they don't get read very often!
The Council of Nicea and the Nicene Era
Here's a site that includes thousands of pages of documents and histories, both ante-Nicene and post-Nicene:
Early Church Fathers - Christian Classics Ethereal Library
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For example, there are documentaries about JESUS life and persecution, partly commenting about there is no evidence to proof of JESUS crucifixion. Speculations about possibilities, upon other artifacts found in similarities, that happened to others.
And no one could justify the shape of the cross of JESUS?
"By Grace through Faith and it is the gift of GOD."
When JESUS asked HIS disciples who HE was? Peter answered;
"You are CHRIST SON of the Living GOD."
"Simon son of Jonah, you did know his on your own but My FATHER in Heaven have let you know."
This is the free gift of GOD, of initial knowledge of revelational faith about the MESSIAH, in order to believe HIM and follow HIM in the first-fruit of faith. Then in continuing with HIM, there are further knowledge revelations through JESUS's teachings of spirit and life and lead practices, in order to 'supplement' to that initial faith and excel.
"Live by faith and not by sight."
"Christian faith is not based on seen artifacts and signs and wonders which are secondary proof but rather first, in initial faith of the gift of GOD by the revelational Holy Bible spiritual knowledge understandings about the FATHER, SON and the HOLY SPIRIT in the Gospels. Then in sound doctrine knowledge filled faith also through the writings of the Apostles, Christian faith increases in practices to all of them, as action faith, believing in the 'author and finisher of our faith' according to the New Covenant."
And no one could justify the shape of the cross of JESUS?
"By Grace through Faith and it is the gift of GOD."
When JESUS asked HIS disciples who HE was? Peter answered;
"You are CHRIST SON of the Living GOD."
"Simon son of Jonah, you did know his on your own but My FATHER in Heaven have let you know."
This is the free gift of GOD, of initial knowledge of revelational faith about the MESSIAH, in order to believe HIM and follow HIM in the first-fruit of faith. Then in continuing with HIM, there are further knowledge revelations through JESUS's teachings of spirit and life and lead practices, in order to 'supplement' to that initial faith and excel.
"Live by faith and not by sight."
"Christian faith is not based on seen artifacts and signs and wonders which are secondary proof but rather first, in initial faith of the gift of GOD by the revelational Holy Bible spiritual knowledge understandings about the FATHER, SON and the HOLY SPIRIT in the Gospels. Then in sound doctrine knowledge filled faith also through the writings of the Apostles, Christian faith increases in practices to all of them, as action faith, believing in the 'author and finisher of our faith' according to the New Covenant."
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my 2 cents...
FAQ: Did Constantine invent or change the Gospel/Bible? | Consider the Gospel
it's a myth and those believing the myth will end up agnostic like the OP.
FAQ: Did Constantine invent or change the Gospel/Bible? | Consider the Gospel
it's a myth and those believing the myth will end up agnostic like the OP.
Rather than give a source, as requested, red goes off on a tangent about being persecuted.
Then, after that, has the gall to point the finger at another for doing precisely what she just did, that is, to sidestep scripture and assert a personal attack.
I have to say, I am laughing while I type this one. This is too rich, red...you poor persecuted person.
Here, let me give you a little more ammo!
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Then, after that, has the gall to point the finger at another for doing precisely what she just did, that is, to sidestep scripture and assert a personal attack.
I have to say, I am laughing while I type this one. This is too rich, red...you poor persecuted person.
Here, let me give you a little more ammo!
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The Catholic Church has been gathering historical information the longest, they report some of it on their site. I think it would be a good place to start.
I found that most historians have a bias, and to assess their accuracy it is a good thing to find their bias. "
I am not a poor person, for I don't slam other people. But thanks for the ammo.
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So in essence this man was a lot like Saul before his conversion? Think about it.
The misnomer that many continue to share in keeps us away from real issues. Who cares about this sort of stuff. So you want to throw away the KJV because King James did the same thing?
You want to disallow all Bibles because they don't ascribe to your thought process? What is missing from the bible that you feel will change anything? Who wrote the Nt or who compiled it has nothing to do with souls being saved! Or people being beaten up for their lack of understanding. Just a few thoughts
The misnomer that many continue to share in keeps us away from real issues. Who cares about this sort of stuff. So you want to throw away the KJV because King James did the same thing?
You want to disallow all Bibles because they don't ascribe to your thought process? What is missing from the bible that you feel will change anything? Who wrote the Nt or who compiled it has nothing to do with souls being saved! Or people being beaten up for their lack of understanding. Just a few thoughts
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This statement is a contradiction it was posted to ruffle feathers. it was posted to shed light on your beliefs. You then attack the Bible as suppressing to women and insult everyone who can read so if you did not want to ruffle feathers what was your point? Your studies. That is why you think like you do you lean to your own understanding! Just a few thoughts
Constantine still worshiped the Persian sun god after his "conversion"
his coins were minted with "commited to sol invictus mithra" after his conversion.
Constantine's supposed revelation from Jesus was to kill in the sign of the cross.
I never said Constantine created the "NT" I said just the opposite concerning the text.
but Constantine was a evil man.
his coins were minted with "commited to sol invictus mithra" after his conversion.
Constantine's supposed revelation from Jesus was to kill in the sign of the cross.
I never said Constantine created the "NT" I said just the opposite concerning the text.
but Constantine was a evil man.