The Free Gift of Salvation

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Cassian

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Then give me a detailed list of what man must do to be saved. Don't leave anything out as I would not want to miss by one deed. You know there is a guy near Manila that has been nailed to a cross twenty times hoping that God will notice and he will find favor.

For the cause of Christ
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Do the Great Commandment perfectly, you shall without a doubt be saved.

I asked this question in the other threads and never got an answer.

Another try at it. Just what is the Gift of salvation? What is Christ giving to us? What did Christ do that comprises the Gift?
Be specific.
 

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Faith without works is dead being alone. So faith alone is dead being void of works, therefore cannot save. So a saving faith MUST have works.
'Must' or 'Will' have works is only so because faith alone receives the Gospel and the Holy Spirit Who produces good works in us.
 

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1 Pet 3:21 baptism does save, there is no "if" to it. And baptism saves because God has chosen baptism as the means by which He saves - cuts away the body of sin/remits sin. Therefore men must choose to submit to baptism, obeying the command to be baptized.
Oh, you are not speaking of water but being baptized into His death/burial and resurrection...into Christ Himself.

Romans 6:3-4 Know ye not, that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.
 

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Do the Great Commandment perfectly, you shall without a doubt be saved.

I asked this question in the other threads and never got an answer.

Another try at it. Just what is the Gift of salvation? What is Christ giving to us? What did Christ do that comprises the Gift?
Be specific.
well one of the included gifts in the free salvation Christ offers is His Righteousness,...needed because we can't even keep the Great Commandment of love perfectly.
He did it in our stead.
 
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Faith MUST have works, else it is dead.
The only way to have works is if a person were to continue living after they were saved and this would be called sanctification,and this type of work would be good work resulting from being changed from the law mentality to faith,a new creature.

But GOD does not look at work the way man looks at work.

I mean that man(if he has not been reborn) needs to see physical work before he would have faith,but GOD looks at the intentions.

So the only way that faith would be dead without works is if a person is looking at the physical.(what they can see),and if they did not see faith expressed.if a human being can't see it physically,then how would they know if that person has faith.

Only GOD can see your heart.

So faith without works is dead to man,But not to GOD.
 

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well one of the included gifts in the free salvation Christ offers is His Righteousness,...needed because we can't even keep the Great Commandment of love perfectly.
He did it in our stead.
Which is why man cannot save himself from death and sin.
Christ's righteousness was given to all men, though, not just those who became believers. Rom 5:18, II Cor 5:18-19.
 
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The only way to have works is if a person were to continue living after they were saved and this would be called sanctification,and this type of work would be good work resulting from being changed from the law mentality to faith,a new creature.

But GOD does not look at work the way man looks at work.

I mean that man(if he has not been reborn) needs to see physical work before he would have faith,but GOD looks at the intentions.

So the only way that faith would be dead without works is if a person is looking at the physical.(what they can see),and if they did not see faith expressed.if a human being can't see it physically,then how would they know if that person has faith.

Only GOD can see your heart.

So faith without works is dead to man,But not to GOD.
I cannot believe the rationalizations man need to create to get around what scripture states. Why would God then judge all men on their works, Rom 1:7, Rev 20:13.
 
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I cannot believe the rationalizations man need to create to get around what scripture states. Why would God then judge all men on their works, Rom 1:7, Rev 20:13.
Hi Cassian

1.)There is the kind of work man does to try to get GOD to accept them and

2.) there is the kind of work that man does because they have been reborn and now want to do good work for GOD.

No.1 IS not accepted by GOD.Those works will be judged in the white throne judgement
 

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Which is why man cannot save himself from death and sin.
Christ's righteousness was given to all men, though, not just those who became believers. Rom 5:18, II Cor 5:18-19.

*offered to all men
 

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Do the Great Commandment perfectly, you shall without a doubt be saved.

I asked this question in the other threads and never got an answer.

Another try at it. Just what is the Gift of salvation? What is Christ giving to us? What did Christ do that comprises the Gift?
Be specific.
More than we can hope for or even imagine.

Atonement for our sins. Justification before God the Father. Complete satisfaction of all the law demands. Peace for today and a bright hope for tomorrow. A certain promise of eternal life in the presence of God. Just for starters.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
 

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Which is why man cannot save himself from death and sin.
Christ's righteousness was given to all men, though, not just those who became believers. Rom 5:18, II Cor 5:18-19.
So you believe all men have been declared righteous or does it require faith?
 

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We are therefore Christ’s ambassadors, as though God were making his appeal through us. We implore you on Christ’s behalf: Be reconciled to God.
(2 Corinthians 5:20)

wherewith should we "be reconciled" if all are already reconciled?
the reconciliation is there, and is not of our own, but unless we believe on Him, and take it up, it is not in us.
 

Cassian

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Hi Cassian

1.)There is the kind of work man does to try to get GOD to accept them and

2.) there is the kind of work that man does because they have been reborn and now want to do good work for GOD.

No.1 IS not accepted by GOD.Those works will be judged in the white throne judgement
The Great White Throne of Judgement is for all human beings. All the dead will be raised. All the dead will stand in judgement. All men will give an account of their works. We will NEVER give an account of our faith. Faith of itself is meaningless. Faith must have evidence. Thus we are saved through our faith, a living productive faith. If we are faithful we shall inherit eternal life with Christ.
 

Cassian

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*offered to all men
By saying that you have no understanding of what the Gift or Work of Christ entailed. Accepting His work will do you nothing since it has already been given to you and every other human being.
What Christ did has two works and can be stated in two words, sacrifice and Life.

Let me ask you, what good is it to you that you could accept the sacrifice?
Life is even more baffling. Can you tell God not to raise you in the last day from the dead? What are you accepting with His give of life by His resurrection.

What God requires for a person who desires to be united is to believe that Christ has saved you and the world from death and sin. You are NOT accepting His work, but Christ Himself. You are also accepting His offer of being united with Him. That is what requires your faith. That union is all about work because that is why God created you in the first place, and Why He Sent His Son to redeem the world, so He and man could get on with His purpose, which is the perfection of man into His Likeness. That perfecting takes work, synergistic work between you and God. You can leave this union as freely as Adam left his union with God. God cannot force you to love Him. If you obey Him you do so because you love Him. That is an inseparable tandem. If you are faithful now in this life, you will attain eternal life with Christ for an eternity as well.
 

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More than we can hope for or even imagine.

Atonement for our sins. Justification before God the Father. Complete satisfaction of all the law demands. Peace for today and a bright hope for tomorrow. A certain promise of eternal life in the presence of God. Just for starters.

For the cause of Christ
Roger
But He did that for every single human being. He did it because He wants union with man freely. By our love and obedience we are fulfiling the purpose why God first created you (all men), then redeemed you (all men) from death and sin.
Whether you want union with Him is totally and exclusively up to you. It is totally your choice and you are free to leave at any time. As free as Adam was to leave union with God.
 
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The Great White Throne of Judgement is for all human beings. All the dead will be raised. All the dead will stand in judgement. All men will give an account of their works. We will NEVER give an account of our faith. Faith of itself is meaningless. Faith must have evidence. Thus we are saved through our faith, a living productive faith. If we are faithful we shall inherit eternal life with Christ.
so, the only book in the Bible is James?

You interpret the rest of Scripture based on 4 verses in the book of James,
rather than interpreting those 4 verses based on the rest of the NT.

If works are the basis for God sparing you at the White Throne, you are going to hell.
Only by claiming the righteousness of Christ will we be freed,
for those who are saved, it is not by our works, but if our name is written.

Only those whose name is not in the Book of Life will be judged and found wanting.
In the righteousness of Christ alone we are saved.
 
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Cassian

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So you believe all men have been declared righteous or does it require faith?
It requires both. The first is paramount because the latter cannot happen without the former.

The context that tells you this the clearest of both is II Cor 5:18-19 which is Christ reconciling the world To God, then Paul asks his audience to reconcile themselves to God. Individuals do that by faith. Then live through that faith to inherit eternal life with Christ.
Col 1:15-20 states the very same thing, then from vs21 on is the reason for it.
Rom 3:23-25 makes the same combination, with vs26ff about the reason for the former.

The context that tells you of of the problem Rom 5:12, death, with the solution, the gift being stated in vs 15, and the gift itself in vs 18 which is Life to all men. This is physical death being defeated by physical life. This is also stated in I Cor 15:12-22. vs 22 is the summation of the previous context. I John 2:2 tells you that propitiation is also a gift to all men, since the sacrifice is what propitiated the sins of the world.
 
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Cassian

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so, the only book in the Bible is James?

You interpret the rest of Scripture based on 4 verses in the book of James,
rather than interpreting those 4 verses based on the rest of the NT.

If works are the basic for God sparing you at the White Throne, you are going to hell.
Only by claiming the righteousness of Christ will we be freed,
for those who are saved, it is not by our works, but if our name is written.

Only those whose name is not in the Book of Life will be judged and found wanting.
In the righteousness of Christ alone we are saved.
I am not even using James. James is clear on the issue of a living faith but the rest of scripture tells one in bulk.
 
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I am not even using James. James is clear on the issue of a living faith but the rest of scripture tells one in bulk.
did you read the rest, or just the first few lines?
 

Cassian

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did you read the rest, or just the first few lines?

Read the whole thing. Read my responses just above this to some of the other posters.
That all men will be judged by works is in Rom 1:7, and Rev 20:13.