If We Do Not Sin

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JaumeJ

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If we say we do not sin, we do not need Salvation, that is Yeshua, Jesus.

If we recognize we do sin, this is honest and demonstrates why we need Yeshua.

Sin has no influence without the law, thus if we know we sin then we recognize the value of the law, and we recognize it is still quite valid.

Now we are free of the law because of grace, but we cannot teach against the law for any who teach against the least of the laws will be least in heaven.

If you are in doubt as to how to follow the law in the manner it is to be under grace, you will look to the teaching of the Master, and learn, not only from His direct teaching, but most from His Example.

Do you believe Jesus, Yeshua? Then do as He did, for He is our Example. When we falter, His precious Blood will keep us in grace.

There is no excuse to continue in wanton sin after coming to Yeshua, for to continue in a wanton manner is to tramp on His Blood and the cross.

His commandments should not be burdensome if we love Him. Turn to Him, not to dogmas of man, learn of Him. He is gentle and His burden is light.



Mat 11:29
Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.

Mat 11:30
For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

 
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Excellent post! What a humble Messiah, He came to purchase us with His blood, to show us the narrow path. Praise Almighty, the Lamb is worthy to open the scroll, the Book of Life.
 

JaumeJ

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Amen, praise Yah, amen.

Excellent post! What a humble Messiah, He came to purchase us with His blood, to show us the narrow path. Praise Almighty, the Lamb is worthy to open the scroll, the Book of Life.
 

p_rehbein

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QUOTE: Now we are free of the law because of grace, but we cannot teach against the law for any who teach against the least of the laws will be least in heaven. END QUOTE......

If we are "free of the law because of grace," of what value is teaching the Law? (Now, as always, folks will argue what "law" is defined as)

If we are truly free, then should we not be teaching Grace?


QUOTE: There is no excuse to continue in wanton sin after coming to Yeshua, for to continue in a wanton manner is to tramp on His Blood and the cross. END QUOTE.........

Agree.............

The Law.............and His commandments (Gospel of Jesus Christ) are not one in the same.......and this is where confusion is born in my opinion.

God bless
 

JaumeJ

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Do you believe Jesus, Yeshua? Then do as He did, for He is our Example. When we falter, His precious Blood will keep us in grace.

The above is part of the post that should answer the question posed. Yeshua obeyed the law for us, yet He is our Example. If we believe Him, we will hear His teaching and also conduct ourselves as did He.

QUOTE: Now we are free of the law because of grace, but we cannot teach against the law for any who teach against the least of the laws will be least in heaven. END QUOTE......

If we are "free of the law because of grace," of what value is teaching the Law? (Now, as always, folks will argue what "law" is defined as)

If we are truly free, then should we not be teaching Grace?


QUOTE: There is no excuse to continue in wanton sin after coming to Yeshua, for to continue in a wanton manner is to tramp on His Blood and the cross. END QUOTE.........

Agree.............

The Law.............and His commandments (Gospel of Jesus Christ) are not one in the same.......and this is where confusion is born in my opinion.

God bless
 

p_rehbein

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Do you believe Jesus, Yeshua? Then do as He did, for He is our Example. When we falter, His precious Blood will keep us in grace.

The above is part of the post that should answer the question posed. Yeshua obeyed the law for us, yet He is our Example. If we believe Him, we will hear His teaching and also conduct ourselves as did He.
Jesus certainly FULFILLED the Law...........that is important for us to know............if the Law has been FULFILLED, do we continue to teach the Law, or do we teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
 

JaumeJ

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The answer is pretty much the same, learn it from Him, and follow His Example. If He was perfect, and He was (is), then when He showed mercy in place of condemnation to being stoned to death for the woman caught in fraganti in committing adultery, His Example.

So it goes with all commandments and laws, obey as He did, and, act as He did. Remember He gave us statutes that were bad and should not be followed. I know, though I believe we should obey what we know Yahweh desires, if someone does not believe in a certain day as set a part, I cannot condemn him for not observing as I do, and if you or any examine, truly look at what I have always posted, I do say I will do as I say, but others who do not believe what I believe I have learned need not. Yes, the law is to be learned and adhered to, but how is between the believer and His Master. Jesus was perfect for all of us, so it should be no burden to attempt to be as much like He as possible.


Jesus certainly FULFILLED the Law...........that is important for us to know............if the Law has been FULFILLED, do we continue to teach the Law, or do we teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ?
 

p_rehbein

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Looking at what Jesus taught:

[h=1]John
15[/h]
1 .) I am the true vine, and my Father is the husbandman.
2 .) Every branch in me that beareth not fruit he taketh away: and every branch that beareth fruit, he purgeth it, that it may bring forth more fruit.
3 .) Now ye are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.
4 .) Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me.
5 .) I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing.
6 .) If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.
7 .) If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you.
8 .) Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.
9 .) As the Father hath loved me, so have I loved you: continue ye in my love.
10 .) If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love.
11 .) These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
12 .) This is my commandment, That ye love one another, as I have loved you.
13 .) Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14 .) Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you.
15 .) Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16 .) Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
17 .) These things I command you, that ye love one another.

25) But this cometh to pass, that the word might be fulfilled that is written in their law, They hated me without a cause.


John 5:37) And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape.
38 .) And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not.
39 .)
Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.
40 .) And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.


John 13:34) A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
35 .) By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

Matthew 22:36) Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 .) Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 .) This is the first and great commandment.
39 .) And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 .)
On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.


Amen?
 

JaumeJ

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Whatever Yeshua teaches is amen. I am free to follow His Example, but this freedom is not license. One should keep in mind His behavior, though no man will ever match up to His perfection, it is the duty of all to follow His example, and His teaching.

Again, He does teach the law (all will have to determine what is intended by this for themselves) is completed by Him, yet whoever teaches against the least of them will be least in heaven.

I will always say amen to the Word in its entirety. He is called Rabbi or Master for a reason. When we rely on any other flesh for our learning, we are inviting error to some degree. He left us the Comforter to teach us all we need to know.

I cannot in any manner advise anyone to overlook Yahweh's commandments for any reason. The Blood of Yeshua, once truly accepted, makes a person counted as saved from his sins, but it never says he may continue to live habitually in sin.

Sin finds its power in the law, thus any who recognize sin still exists for one who believes is recognizing obedience to the law, unless that person is reprobate.

If the commandments rest on the two great commandments then the cp,,amd,emts are extant.

As for the one part of your post, searching the scriptures looking for salvation, my own personal experience was to approach the Self Existing Father in prayer and fasting. He answered me personally in a series of wonders and miracles. I was saved without having read the Word.

I now read the Word in obedience to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, for we are to learn and do the Word as best we are given. My Salvation is purely spiritual, but my actions are to do as I am taught and led. This should be true for all.
 
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Grace does not make the law void, grace makes our sins void. If we believe salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ this does not give us the right to disobey the law. As christians we observe a New Testament which God has made with all humanity not just the children of Israel.

We follow the law of the New Testament which is not the same as the old. We do not need to be circumsized physically, but are now baptized. We no longer execute the sinner but forgive them and desire they be reconciled with God. We are no longer required to follow the dietary laws but receive all food with thanksgiving to God. We are no longer required to observe the jewish feasts or sabbath, but we observe every day as holy and a blessing from God. We are to honor all humans as if they were our father and mother, we are not to kill, we are not to commit adultry, we are not to steal, we are not to lie, we are not to covet. We are to love God and love all humanity as we love ourselves. This is the law requirements of the new covenant as I understand them from the scripture.

Christ be with you always.
 

john832

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The Law.............and His commandments (Gospel of Jesus Christ) are not one in the same.......and this is where confusion is born in my opinion.

God bless
Yet the One who gave the Ten Commandments was Jesus Christ. He is the same One who said it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than a tittle to pass from the Law.

Why is it that people think He is unstable and double minded? That He makes Laws and then discards them every whipstitch?

The proper understanding of not under the Law is that we are not under the death penalty when we repent and are forgive by grace through faith.
 

john832

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Grace does not make the law void, grace makes our sins void. If we believe salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ this does not give us the right to disobey the law. As christians we observe a New Testament which God has made with all humanity not just the children of Israel.

We follow the law of the New Testament which is not the same as the old.
so Christ lied?


Mat 5:18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Mat 5:19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.


We do not need to be circumsized physically, but are now baptized.
And we DO HAVE TO BE CIRCUMCIZED OF HEART. That is what circumcision pointed to from the time it was instituted...

Deu 10:16 Therefore circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and be stiff-necked no longer.

We no longer execute the sinner but forgive them and desire they be reconciled with God.
WE NEVER did execute those who broke the Law, the duly constituted authority, the Priesthood did and still does...

Rom 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

1Co 6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites,
1Co 6:10 nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.


We are no longer required to follow the dietary laws but receive all food with thanksgiving to God.
You left this part out...

1Ti 4:4 For every creature of God is good, and nothing is to be refused if it is received with thanksgiving;
1Ti 4:5 for it is sanctified by the word of God and prayer.

And just what meats are set apart by the Word of God?

Lev 11 and Deut 14

We are no longer required to observe the jewish feasts or sabbath, but we observe every day as holy and a blessing from God.
I am glad you said that, it brings up something very interesting...

Lev 23:1 And the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,
Lev 23:2 "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: 'The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts.
Lev 23:3 'Six days shall work be done, but the seventh day is a Sabbath of solemn rest, a holy convocation. You shall do no work on it; it is the Sabbath of the LORD in all your dwellings.
Lev 23:4 'These are the feasts of the LORD, holy convocations which you shall proclaim at their appointed times.

If your Bible says "these are the Feasts of the Jews" here, take it back, it is a misprint.

We are to honor all humans as if they were our father and mother,
Got a scripture for this? The bible says to love our neighbor as ourself...

Lev 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

we are not to kill,
this is not the Ten Commandments?

Exo 20:13 "You shall not murder.

we are not to commit adultry,
Exo 20:14 "You shall not commit adultery.

we are not to steal,
Exo 20:15 "You shall not steal.

we are not to lie,
Exo 20:16 "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.

we are not to covet.
Exo 20:17 "You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's."

We are to love God and love all humanity as we love ourselves.
Deu 6:5 You shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

Lev 19:18 You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the children of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself: I am the LORD.

This is the law requirements of the new covenant as I understand them from the scripture.

Christ be with you always.
The New Covenant is the writing of the Law in the hearts and minds of people, not a rewriting of the Law, a discarding of the Law and a New Law, but writing the Law in our hearts and minds...

Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.
Heb 8:10 FOR THIS IS THE COVENANT THAT I WILL MAKE WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AFTER THOSE DAYS, SAYS THE LORD: I WILL PUT MY LAWS IN THEIR MIND AND WRITE THEM ON THEIR HEARTS; AND I WILL BE THEIR GOD, AND THEY SHALL BE MY PEOPLE.
Heb 8:11 NONE OF THEM SHALL TEACH HIS NEIGHBOR, AND NONE HIS BROTHER, SAYING, 'KNOW THE LORD,' FOR ALL SHALL KNOW ME, FROM THE LEAST OF THEM TO THE GREATEST OF THEM.
Heb 8:12 FOR I WILL BE MERCIFUL TO THEIR UNRIGHTEOUSNESS, AND THEIR SINS AND THEIR LAWLESS DEEDS I WILL REMEMBER NO MORE."

Thsi is a direct quote from Jer 31:31-34...

Jer 31:31 "Behold, the days are coming, says the LORD, when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah—
Jer 31:32 not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, though I was a husband to them, says the LORD.
Jer 31:33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people.
Jer 31:34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, 'Know the LORD,' for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more."

And the word for Law here is Torah.

It isn't the Law that changes, it is the heart of the people that changes...

Heb 8:8 Because finding fault with them, He says: "BEHOLD, THE DAYS ARE COMING, SAYS THE LORD, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT WITH THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL AND WITH THE HOUSE OF JUDAH—
Heb 8:9 NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS IN THE DAY WHEN I TOOK THEM BY THE HAND TO LEAD THEM OUT OF THE LAND OF EGYPT; BECAUSE THEY DID NOT CONTINUE IN MY COVENANT, AND I DISREGARDED THEM, SAYS THE LORD.

That day is coming...

Deu 30:6 And the LORD your God will circumcise your heart and the heart of your descendants, to love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul, that you may live.
 
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chubbena

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I did a brief search on the word "yoke" and I think the following verses help to explain the meaning of the yoke the Messiah speaks of.
Ex 6:7 I will take you as my own people, and I will be your God. Then you will know that I am the LORD your God, who brought you out from under the yoke of the Egyptians.
Lev 26:13 I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt so that you would no longer be slaves to the Egyptians; I broke the bars of your yoke and enabled you to walk with heads held high.
Lam 1:14 My sins have been bound into a yoke; by his hands they were woven together. They have been hung on my neck, and the Lord has sapped my strength. He has given me into the hands of those I cannot withstand.

And I think many would agree Egypt is a type for sin.
 

crossnote

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Whatever Yeshua teaches is amen. I am free to follow His Example, but this freedom is not license. One should keep in mind His behavior, though no man will ever match up to His perfection, it is the duty of all to follow His example, and His teaching.

Again, He does teach the law (all will have to determine what is intended by this for themselves) is completed by Him, yet whoever teaches against the least of them will be least in heaven.

I will always say amen to the Word in its entirety. He is called Rabbi or Master for a reason. When we rely on any other flesh for our learning, we are inviting error to some degree. He left us the Comforter to teach us all we need to know.

I cannot in any manner advise anyone to overlook Yahweh's commandments for any reason. The Blood of Yeshua, once truly accepted, makes a person counted as saved from his sins, but it never says he may continue to live habitually in sin.

Sin finds its power in the law, thus any who recognize sin still exists for one who believes is recognizing obedience to the law, unless that person is reprobate.

If the commandments rest on the two great commandments then the cp,,amd,emts are extant.

As for the one part of your post, searching the scriptures looking for salvation, my own personal experience was to approach the Self Existing Father in prayer and fasting. He answered me personally in a series of wonders and miracles. I was saved without having read the Word.

I now read the Word in obedience to the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, for we are to learn and do the Word as best we are given. My Salvation is purely spiritual, but my actions are to do as I am taught and led. This should be true for all.
''When we rely on any other flesh for our learning, we are inviting error to some degree. He left us the Comforter to teach us all we need to know.''

So really, why should any one read your posts since we would be 'inviting error' and besides as you say we have the Holy Spirit to teach us all we need to know. In the light of what you have stated, why do you even post since it only leads to error?
 
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Yet the One who gave the Ten Commandments was Jesus Christ. He is the same One who said it is easier for heaven and earth to pass away than a tittle to pass from the Law.

Why is it that people think He is unstable and double minded? That He makes Laws and then discards them every whipstitch?

The proper understanding of not under the Law is that we are not under the death penalty when we repent and are forgive by grace through faith.
nicely said romans 8 vrs 1 now therefor there is no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the spirit
 

JesusLives

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Grace does not make the law void, grace makes our sins void. If we believe salvation is by grace through faith in Jesus Christ this does not give us the right to disobey the law. As christians we observe a New Testament which God has made with all humanity not just the children of Israel.

We follow the law of the New Testament which is not the same as the old. We do not need to be circumsized physically, but are now baptized. We no longer execute the sinner but forgive them and desire they be reconciled with God. We are no longer required to follow the dietary laws but receive all food with thanksgiving to God. We are no longer required to observe the jewish feasts or sabbath, but we observe every day as holy and a blessing from God. We are to honor all humans as if they were our father and mother, we are not to kill, we are not to commit adultry, we are not to steal, we are not to lie, we are not to covet. We are to love God and love all humanity as we love ourselves. This is the law requirements of the new covenant as I understand them from the scripture.

Christ be with you always.

Psalm 119
[SUP]55 [/SUP]I have [earnestly] remembered Your name, O Lord, in the night, and I have observed Your law.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]This I have had [as the gift of Your grace and as my reward]: that I have kept Your precepts [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying them].
[SUP]57 [/SUP]You are my portion, O Lord; I have promised to keep Your words.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]I entreated Your favor with my whole heart; be merciful and gracious to me according to Your promise.
[SUP]59 [/SUP]I considered my ways; I turned my feet to [obey] Your testimonies.
[SUP]60 [/SUP]I made haste and delayed not to keep Your commandments.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]Though the cords of the wicked have enclosed and ensnared me, I have not forgotten Your law.
[SUP]62 [/SUP]At midnight I will rise to give thanks to You because of Your righteous ordinances.
[SUP]63 [/SUP]I am a companion of all those who fear, revere, and worship You, and of those who observe and give heed to Your precepts.
[SUP]64 [/SUP]The earth, O Lord, is full of Your mercy and loving-kindness; teach me Your statutes.
[SUP]65 [/SUP]You have dealt well with Your servant, O Lord, according to Your promise.
[SUP]66 [/SUP]Teach me good judgment, wise and right discernment, and knowledge, for I have believed (trusted, relied on, and clung to) Your commandments.
[SUP]67 [/SUP]Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now Your word do I keep [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying it].
[SUP]68 [/SUP]You are good and kind and do good; teach me Your statutes.
[SUP]69 [/SUP]The arrogant and godless have put together a lie against me, but I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart.
[SUP]70 [/SUP]Their hearts are as fat as grease [their minds are dull and brutal], but I delight in Your law.
[SUP]71 [/SUP]It is good for me that I have been afflicted, that I might learn Your statutes.
[SUP]72 [/SUP]The law from Your mouth is better to me than thousands of gold and silver pieces.
[SUP]73 [/SUP]Your hands have made me, cunningly fashioned and established me; give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments.
[SUP]74 [/SUP]Those who reverently and worshipfully fear You will see me and be glad, because I have hoped in Your word and tarried for it.
[SUP]75 [/SUP]I know, O Lord, that Your judgments are right and righteous, and that in faithfulness You have afflicted me.
[SUP]76 [/SUP]Let, I pray You, Your merciful kindness and steadfast love be for my comfort, according to Your promise to Your servant.
[SUP]77 [/SUP]Let Your tender mercy and loving-kindness come to me that I may live, for Your law is my delight!
[SUP]78 [/SUP]Let the proud be put to shame, for they dealt perversely with me without a cause; but I will meditate on Your precepts.
[SUP]79 [/SUP]Let those who reverently and worshipfully fear You turn to me, and those who have known Your testimonies.
[SUP]80 [/SUP]Let my heart be sound (sincere and wholehearted and blameless) in Your statutes, that I may not be put to shame.
[SUP]81 [/SUP]My soul languishes and grows faint for Your salvation, but I hope in Your word.
[SUP]82 [/SUP]My eyes fail, watching for [the fulfillment of] Your promise. I say, When will You comfort me?
[SUP]83 [/SUP]For I have become like a bottle [a wineskin blackened and shriveled] in the smoke [in which it hangs], yet do I not forget Your statutes.
[SUP]84 [/SUP]How many are the days of Your servant [which he must endure]? When will You judge those who pursue and persecute me?
[SUP]85 [/SUP]The godless and arrogant have dug pitfalls for me, men who do not conform to Your law.
[SUP]86 [/SUP]All Your commandments are faithful and sure. [The godless] pursue and persecute me with falsehood; help me [Lord]!
[SUP]87 [/SUP]They had almost consumed me upon earth, but I forsook not Your precepts.
[SUP]88 [/SUP]According to Your steadfast love give life to me; then I will keep the testimony of Your mouth [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying it].
[SUP]89 [/SUP]Forever, O Lord, Your word is settled in heaven [stands firm as the heavens].
[SUP]90 [/SUP]Your faithfulness is from generation to generation; You have established the earth, and it stands fast.
[SUP]91 [/SUP]All [the whole universe] are Your servants; therefore they continue this day according to Your ordinances.
[SUP]92 [/SUP]Unless Your law had been my delight, I would have perished in my affliction.
[SUP]93 [/SUP]I will never forget Your precepts, [how can I?] for it is by them You have quickened me (granted me life).
[SUP]94 [/SUP]I am Yours, therefore save me [Your own]; for I have sought (inquired of and for) Your precepts and required them [as my urgent need].
[SUP]95 [/SUP]The wicked wait for me to destroy me, but I will consider Your testimonies.
[SUP]96 [/SUP]I have seen that everything [human] has its limits and end [no matter how extensive, noble, and excellent]; but Your commandment is exceedingly broad and extends without limits [into eternity].
[SUP]97 [/SUP]Oh, how love I Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
[SUP]98 [/SUP]You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies, for [Your words] are ever before me.
[SUP]99 [/SUP]I have better understanding and deeper insight than all my teachers, because Your testimonies are my meditation.
[SUP]100 [/SUP]I understand more than the aged, because I keep Your precepts [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying them].
[SUP]101 [/SUP]I have restrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep Your word [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying it].
[SUP]102 [/SUP]I have not turned aside from Your ordinances, for You Yourself have taught me.
[SUP]103 [/SUP]How sweet are Your words to my taste, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
[SUP]104 [/SUP]Through Your precepts I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way.
[SUP]105 [/SUP]Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
[SUP]106 [/SUP]I have sworn [an oath] and have confirmed it, that I will keep Your righteous ordinances [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying them].
[SUP]107 [/SUP]I am sorely afflicted; renew and quicken me [give me life], O Lord, according to Your word!
[SUP]108 [/SUP]Accept, I beseech You, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O Lord, and teach me Your ordinances.
[SUP]109 [/SUP]My life is continually in my hand, yet I do not forget Your law.

I like David and Jesus do not want to forget God's law either. God's word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.
 
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gleener

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#18
Psalm 119
[SUP]55 [/SUP]I have [earnestly] remembered Your name, O Lord, in the night, and I have observed Your law.
[SUP]56 [/SUP]This I have had [as the gift of Your grace and as my reward]: that I have kept Your precepts [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying them].
[SUP]57 [/SUP]You are my portion, O Lord; I have promised to keep Your words.
[SUP]58 [/SUP]I entreated Your favor with my whole heart; be merciful and gracious to me according to Your promise.
[SUP]59 [/SUP]I considered my ways; I turned my feet to [obey] Your testimonies.
[SUP]60 [/SUP]I made haste and delayed not to keep Your commandments.
[SUP]61 [/SUP]Though the cords of the wicked have enclosed and ensnared me, I have not forgotten Your law.
[SUP]62 [/SUP]At midnight I will rise to give thanks to You because of Your righteous ordinances.
[SUP]63 [/SUP]I am a companion of all those who fear, revere, and worship You, and of those who observe and give heed to Your precepts.
[SUP]64 [/SUP]The earth, O Lord, is full of Your mercy and loving-kindness; teach me Your statutes.
[SUP]65 [/SUP]You have dealt well with Your servant, O Lord, according to Your promise.
[SUP]66 [/SUP]Teach me good judgment, wise and right discernment, and knowledge, for I have believed (trusted, relied on, and clung to) Your commandments.
[SUP]67 [/SUP]Before I was afflicted I went astray, but now Your word do I keep [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying it].
[SUP]68 [/SUP]You are good and kind and do good; teach me Your statutes.
[SUP]69 [/SUP]The arrogant and godless have put together a lie against me, but I will keep Your precepts with my whole heart.
[SUP]70 [/SUP]Their hearts are as fat as grease [their minds are dull and brutal], but I delight in Your law.
[SUP]71 [/SUP]It is good for me that I have been afflicted, that I might learn Your statutes.
[SUP]72 [/SUP]The law from Your mouth is better to me than thousands of gold and silver pieces.
[SUP]73 [/SUP]Your hands have made me, cunningly fashioned and established me; give me understanding, that I may learn Your commandments.
[SUP]74 [/SUP]Those who reverently and worshipfully fear You will see me and be glad, because I have hoped in Your word and tarried for it.
[SUP]75 [/SUP]I know, O Lord, that Your judgments are right and righteous, and that in faithfulness You have afflicted me.
[SUP]76 [/SUP]Let, I pray You, Your merciful kindness and steadfast love be for my comfort, according to Your promise to Your servant.
[SUP]77 [/SUP]Let Your tender mercy and loving-kindness come to me that I may live, for Your law is my delight!
[SUP]78 [/SUP]Let the proud be put to shame, for they dealt perversely with me without a cause; but I will meditate on Your precepts.
[SUP]79 [/SUP]Let those who reverently and worshipfully fear You turn to me, and those who have known Your testimonies.
[SUP]80 [/SUP]Let my heart be sound (sincere and wholehearted and blameless) in Your statutes, that I may not be put to shame.
[SUP]81 [/SUP]My soul languishes and grows faint for Your salvation, but I hope in Your word.
[SUP]82 [/SUP]My eyes fail, watching for [the fulfillment of] Your promise. I say, When will You comfort me?
[SUP]83 [/SUP]For I have become like a bottle [a wineskin blackened and shriveled] in the smoke [in which it hangs], yet do I not forget Your statutes.
[SUP]84 [/SUP]How many are the days of Your servant [which he must endure]? When will You judge those who pursue and persecute me?
[SUP]85 [/SUP]The godless and arrogant have dug pitfalls for me, men who do not conform to Your law.
[SUP]86 [/SUP]All Your commandments are faithful and sure. [The godless] pursue and persecute me with falsehood; help me [Lord]!
[SUP]87 [/SUP]They had almost consumed me upon earth, but I forsook not Your precepts.
[SUP]88 [/SUP]According to Your steadfast love give life to me; then I will keep the testimony of Your mouth [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying it].
[SUP]89 [/SUP]Forever, O Lord, Your word is settled in heaven [stands firm as the heavens].
[SUP]90 [/SUP]Your faithfulness is from generation to generation; You have established the earth, and it stands fast.
[SUP]91 [/SUP]All [the whole universe] are Your servants; therefore they continue this day according to Your ordinances.
[SUP]92 [/SUP]Unless Your law had been my delight, I would have perished in my affliction.
[SUP]93 [/SUP]I will never forget Your precepts, [how can I?] for it is by them You have quickened me (granted me life).
[SUP]94 [/SUP]I am Yours, therefore save me [Your own]; for I have sought (inquired of and for) Your precepts and required them [as my urgent need].
[SUP]95 [/SUP]The wicked wait for me to destroy me, but I will consider Your testimonies.
[SUP]96 [/SUP]I have seen that everything [human] has its limits and end [no matter how extensive, noble, and excellent]; but Your commandment is exceedingly broad and extends without limits [into eternity].
[SUP]97 [/SUP]Oh, how love I Your law! It is my meditation all the day.
[SUP]98 [/SUP]You, through Your commandments, make me wiser than my enemies, for [Your words] are ever before me.
[SUP]99 [/SUP]I have better understanding and deeper insight than all my teachers, because Your testimonies are my meditation.
[SUP]100 [/SUP]I understand more than the aged, because I keep Your precepts [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying them].
[SUP]101 [/SUP]I have restrained my feet from every evil way, that I might keep Your word [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying it].
[SUP]102 [/SUP]I have not turned aside from Your ordinances, for You Yourself have taught me.
[SUP]103 [/SUP]How sweet are Your words to my taste, sweeter than honey to my mouth!
[SUP]104 [/SUP]Through Your precepts I get understanding; therefore I hate every false way.
[SUP]105 [/SUP]Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.
[SUP]106 [/SUP]I have sworn [an oath] and have confirmed it, that I will keep Your righteous ordinances [hearing, receiving, loving, and obeying them].
[SUP]107 [/SUP]I am sorely afflicted; renew and quicken me [give me life], O Lord, according to Your word!
[SUP]108 [/SUP]Accept, I beseech You, the freewill offerings of my mouth, O Lord, and teach me Your ordinances.
[SUP]109 [/SUP]My life is continually in my hand, yet I do not forget Your law.

I like David and Jesus do not want to forget God's law either. God's word is a lamp unto my feet and a light unto my path.
thank God for putting his law in our hearts and mind that its not over us anymore that we are now no longer under the law but it will always be with us
 
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phil112

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#19
(1)If we say we do not sin, we do not need Salvation, that is Yeshua, Jesus.

(2)If we recognize we do sin, this is honest and demonstrates why we need Yeshua.

Sin has no influence without the law, thus if we know we sin then we recognize the value of the law, and we recognize it is still quite valid.

(3)Now we are free of the law because of grace, but we cannot teach against the law for any who teach against the least of the laws will be least in heaven.

If you are in doubt as to how to follow the law in the manner it is to be under grace, you will look to the teaching of the Master, and learn, not only from His direct teaching, but most from His Example.

Do you believe Jesus, Yeshua? Then do as He did, for He is our Example. When we falter, His precious Blood will keep us in grace.

There is no excuse to continue in wanton sin after coming to Yeshua, for to continue in a wanton manner is to tramp on His Blood and the cross.

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1. We have salvation thru grace so that we don't sin.
2. Why do you sin? If Christ paid for your sin and you continue to sin aren't you crucifying Him again?
3. Any who teaches against the law will be least in heaven? What scripture?

Do you believe Jesus, Yeshua? Then do as He did, for He is our Example. When we falter, His precious Blood will keep us in grace.

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You are full of contradictions. We have the law because of sin. We don't need law because of grace, but we hang on to it..why? You keep sinning but it's okay because you have Christ, but wanton sinning isn't okay.....
What is wrong with just accepting the price Christ paid, the support and strength the Spirit gives us, and stop sinning like Christ told you to?
You are keeping the law close to the vest to bail you out of what? If the law applies to you, you are a sinner. I used to sin. Christ said stop, and I stopped. I was born into sin. I was a sinner, but that is past.
If you are a sinner, that is present tense. Why are you disobeying Christ? You claim to honor Him, hold Him in high esteem, love Him, yet you dismiss His instructions to you? What is the matter with you?
but this one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind, and reaching forth unto those things which are before, [SUP] [/SUP]I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.
[SUP] [/SUP]Let us therefore, as many as be perfect, be thus minded
If you became a new man, the old things are gone. Yet you reach back and drag them along with you. Do you think that is okay?
Look into what "reaching forth" means in that passage. It denotes strenous effort. Leave the law behind and put some effort into your work for Christ.
The only "law" that applies to me is the perfect law of liberty, and it was meant for you also. Take the millstone, that the law is, from around your neck and serve God as He desires you to. Not laboriously, without gain, but willingly, freely, in the grace and love He asks for.