Why do only Some get healed???

[ChosenbyHim]

Sickness does not make you a partaker of God's holiness,

Maybe I should have worded it a bit differently. It helps a Christian grow in the area of santification and holiness.

you are already holy in Christ. God sees you as the righteousness of God in Jesus Christ.

Well yes, our position in Christ is that we have Christ's righteousness.


But what I am referring to is the Christian's daily walk in sanctification as he lives on this earth.

Your doctrine is not scriptural and also, you are incorrect about Paul and his thorn in the flesh. It wasn't a disease, but a messenger of satan.

It was an infirmity. Let's read the context:


2 Corinthians 12:7-10

Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)


[SUP]7 [/SUP]And lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For this thing I besought the Lord thrice, that it might depart from me. [SUP]9 [/SUP]And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me. [SUP]10 [/SUP]Therefore I take pleasure in infirmities, in reproaches, in necessities, in persecutions, in distresses for Christ’s sake: for when I am weak, then am I strong.



The messanger of Satan was sent to buffet Paul. When that messanger buffeted Paul, is when he received the infirmity (thorn) in his flesh. The context is clear. Paul gloried in his infirmities. What are infirmities? It is sickness.

God isn't sending sickness upon His children, He loves them.

Who said that God was sending it???

God will allow it.

I believe that many of times, the reason for a Christian's infirmity and sickness is due to his own living. If a Christian begins to live after the flesh, then he will reap accordingly (Rom. 8:13).

There was a Christian in 1 Cor. 5 who was delivered over to Satan for the destruction of the flesh because he was living in sin.

Also, in 1 Cor. 11, there are many Christians at the Church at Corinth who were sick because they were not drinking and eating worthily at the Lord's supper, they were not discerning the Lord's body (See 1 Cor. 11:28-29).

And as a result, they were eating and drinking damnation to themselves, and they became weak and sickly, and some even died.

Would you give your child, some terminal disease to teach them a lesson?

No, but if my child decided to do something foolish, if he decided to fornicate with a prostitute, while I would forgive him, he would still have to pay the consequence for his sin in the flesh while on this earth. He would still have to reap what he sowed (Gal. 6:7) And if that means he gets some kind of STD, well then he will just have to live with that, since he sowed to the flesh.



God does not want His children to get diseases, but he will allow them to reap what they sow.

Would you put your childs hand on the stove top on high to teach them to not touch it?

No, what kind of question is that?

How cruel and sadistic do you think God is? He is Love, and He is our loving Heavenly Father.

Of course God is love. But He is also holy and just and righteous. And if His children mess and live in sin and in the flesh while on this Earth, He will then chasten them. When we are chastened by our Heavenly Father, it is for our good and profit, and we are made partakers of Gpd's holiness (Heb. 12:10).

 

[1still_waters]

The mind that views God as an object that is triggered and manipulatable will view the verse below as the magic trigger that sets off God to do their desire.

The mind that views God as sovereign, realizes there was just simply no point in doing miracles for people who weren't going to believe.

Matthew 13:58 And he did not do many miracles there because of their lack of faith.

Please folks, quit trying to envision God as this equation that can be manipulated and triggered. I know your intentions are pure, but God is so much bigger than that.

 

[danalee]

I apologize for not watching the video, but...

God acts according to His good pleasure and will, not ours.

Yet even as we surrender ourselves to his good judgement, we know that he has our best interests at hand. He does not put on you anything that serves against you. He will not allow you to perish or suffer without cause or good reason for the soul. His good pleasure is seeing you learn is eternal ways. How he brings the sinner to salvation - not always a simple equation.

 

[crossnote]

You as a person can accept man's solution or God's solution. I've read a testimony of a couple missionaries who needed to cross a river in order to reach the town they were to minister at. Well, they decided to walk across the water, and God supernaturally made them walk on water, over the river to the other side. That took boldness. Anyways, they ministered there and left. A few months later they returned, except this time someone, probably the town, built a bridge over the river. So the missionaries upon their next travels to minister there, crossed the bridge instead of walking on water. A villager saw them and asked, "Why didn't you walk across the water?" They replied, "Because there was a bridge."

In the same way the missionaries didn't need a supernatural solution to the problem as a man-made one was given, its the same way with glasses. I have a solution, albeit I could seek God for healing of the eye, I've worn glasses since I was young and they work. Could I seek God for healing of the eye? Yes, yes I could.

You think your answer was some how wise or slick, when in reality it was a poor attempt to back up your point. Also, healing is now, it says we are healed and in other places, were healed. That is present tense, or past tense, and either way, the healing is yours. Some Christians are being bold enough to pray for such healing to be manifested today, as it was secured by Christ then.

No it wasn't a slick reply. I believe God can heal when and where He chooses but our full redemption of these bodies is at the resurrection.

Erastus abode at Corinth: but Trophimus have I left at Miletum sick.
(2Ti 4:20)

 

[1still_waters]

The desire to want to see people healed is good, holy, pure, and loving.

Yet there is a mindset/world view/doctrine/whatever of God, that ends up viewing God as an impersonal power of sorts that is set off if you pull the correct faith trigger. This perspective then goes to scripture and interprets many verses through a lens which wants to find the right "trigger" to set God off.

When you view scripture through that lens, certain scriptures do indeed appear to make God look like the power that can simply be triggered off.

Unfortunately that's an incorrect lens to use.
God is bigger, and he's sovereign.

So please folks, keep seeking to want folks healed, but don't turn God into the impersonal force that can be triggered off. It short changes God, and demeans his sovereignty.

 

[RedTent]

I think that our physical healing can and often does happen when God makes a miraculous change.

Our world operates with precision. It can even be measured mathematically and predicted the same way. God created it so that when He looked at it, the world was good. The Hebrew word translated as good needs many more English words to cover it. Sin interferes with that good operation, and it is also precise how that happens.

All of our bodies last only a certain time, it was only Enoch who left without any failure of the body. In the world exactly like God created it, if everyone lived as they were created to live, we would go like Enoch.

When something goes wrong in this perfect world God created, we pray for God to intervene. Each Christian over the world prays for it daily "Thy Kingdom Come, Thy will be done on earth as it is in Heaven". That is praying for everyone's healing. It is still against the way our earth was created for God to recreate a limb that has been in an accident, for instance. The healing must fall within the principles God set up the world with. The physical healing could go along with miraculously enhancing the natural healing powers built into our bodies. God will not work contrary to the kingdom that He has set up. It is not within these principles to recreate what he has finished, but it with these principles to enhance to healing powers built into the body. It is within these powers to cure stress that causes so much illness. Much miraculous healing is within the kingdom of God, and we can use this power.

Remember when Christ said "thy sins are forgiven you" in stead of saying "This man be healed". Yet we are told that sickness is not because of personal sin. That was because it is sin that brought chaos and unhappiness in the world, it is through forgiveness we are free of it.

 

[RickyZ]

The mind that views God as an object that is triggered and manipulatable will view the verse below as the magic trigger that sets off God to do their desire.

The mind that views God as sovereign, realizes there was just simply no point in doing miracles for people who weren't going to believe.



Please folks, quit trying to envision God as this equation that can be manipulated and triggered. I know your intentions are pure, but God is so much bigger than that.

It's not a trigger - it's a partnership. What do you think it means when God says He wants a relationship with you? What do you think it means when your best friend Joe says he wants his relationship with you? They're one and the same. They both seek interaction and partnership with you. And God doesn't want you to be a silent partner. Tell me this - does God walk beside you every step of your life? Being there all the time, is He really unwilling to talk to You unless you drag Him into some building and perform some mystical ethereal dance with Him? No, if you're at the beach He's at the beach with you. And He knows what's happening at the beach around you. And He wants to interact with the beach thru you. And all you have to do is say ok, what do I do Lord to participate? But you're not going to if you don't believe you can. And what do we call belief that you can? Faith. it works miracles, everywhere and at any time. Any time you're willing to participate, that is.

Oh, we don't know bigger my friend. If you don't know God outside of your church - if you don't know God at the beach - then you have no idea how big my friend. He's HUUUGE-a.

The Matthew verses. Now, I get where you are coming from about me and I understand it and there's no hard feelings. But, those are all HIS Words. Discount mine all you want, but I gotta refer you to Him on that one. I will mea culpa that those can come across as kind of judging on our faiths, like the failure is ours (which really it is). But I see it more as an open door of opportunity. Matthew shows us the full potential - it's just up to us to make it happen or not. And it's only small minds that make excuses and keep us from it.

Re-read the Matthew verses as if you believed they were true. Because, shhh don't tell anyone, but they are.

 

[saved1975]

I apologize for not watching the video, but...

God acts according to His good pleasure and will, not ours.

If God acted on His good pleasure, Everyone would be saved, blessed and HEALED.
But God put everything on a faith and obedience basis.

Not only is it God's will to heal, But Jesus has already healed us.
Isaiah 53: 3--5. The Hebrew meaning for, "Sorrows", in v 3-4, Is, "Pains", And the Hebrew meaning for, "Grief's" is, "Sicknesses".
Please note v 4, SURELY He, [Jesus] has borne our sicknesses and carried our pains.
V5, By His stripes, [Whippings] that Jesus had], we ARE HEALED.

Matt 8: 16--17, confirm this.
V 17, "That it might be fulfilled which was spoke by Isaiah, [Isaiah 53: 3--5], the Prophet, saying, Himself, [Jesus] took our infirmities and bare our sicknesses".

1 Pet 2: 24 says, "By is stripes we WERE HEALED", Were is past tense.

Some people are waiting for God to heal them, Whereas God is waiting for them to receive healing.

 

[tourist]

God chooses to heal some and not others because he is God. I do not question why Jesus chose not to heal my late wife but take comfort in the fact that he ultimately delivered her from her torment and now she is basking in God's love. I do not need to watch a 15 min video. The book of Job is a good study for the question that you posed. He posed a few questions to God also.

 

[crossnote]

This doctrine that God heals all now and 'if you are not healed it is because you lack faith', is right out of the pit.
I have seen too many doubt and sometimes lose their simple faith in their Savior because they were convinced that their faith wasn't genuine because they weren't being healed. Let me repeat, that teaching is right out of the pit of hell.

 

[saved1975]

God chooses to heal some and not others because he is God. I do not question why Jesus chose not to heal my late wife but take comfort in the fact that he ultimately delivered her from her torment and now she is basking in God's love. I do not need to watch a 15 min video. The book of Job is a good study for the question that you posed. He posed a few questions to God also.

If God choses to heal some, And not others, That would make Him a respecter of people, And that would make Him a sinner.

Jesus has already healed us, But we have to receive it.

In Isaiah 5: 13, God says, "My people are gone into captivity, because they have no knowledge".
And in Hosea 4: 6, God says, "My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge".
So lack of knowledge can keep you sick, And even destroy you.
But Thank God that Jesus said, "You shall know the truth, and it will set you free", John 8: 32.
V31 says we need to continue in the word and be disciplined to Jesus and His word, Then we can know, [Get the revelation of the truth] and it will set us free.

So lack of knowledge is one reason why people fail to receive healing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

This doctrine that God heals all now and 'if you are not healed it is because you lack faith', is right out of the pit.
I have seen too many doubt and sometimes lose their simple faith in their Savior because they were convinced that their faith wasn't genuine because they weren't being healed. Let me repeat, that teaching is right out of the pit of hell.

it is prety amazing, these faith healers and everyone will be healed must not study james at all..or the life of Paul,

 

[eternally-gratefull]

God uses healing lack of healing for his purpose. We should not question God on how he does things, As a good friend told me. We can only see through a narrow lens, God seas the whole picture, He sees things we can not see, when we get to heaven, Many people will confess how someones faith in sickness led them to Christ, Many others will say how someone being healed led them to Christ. Many more will say how their "thorn in the flesh" kept them focused on God. Or how it brought them back to God when they were walking away.

Again, Do not question God, He sees things we can not possibly see, and he has a purpose for everything he does. and it is for our benefit, and the benefit of those around us.

 

[saved1975]

This doctrine that God heals all now and 'if you are not healed it is because you lack faith', is right out of the pit.
I have seen too many doubt and sometimes lose their simple faith in their Savior because they were convinced that their faith wasn't genuine because they weren't being healed. Let me repeat, that teaching is right out of the pit of hell.

See how many times Jesus said word to the effect of, "Thy faith has healed thee, According to you faith be it unto you".

Some people say they believe, They even think they believe, and they are waiting and expecting God to healed them, But expecting and waiting are the qualities of Hope, Whereas Faith knows they are healed, And receive it.

Jesus said, "All things are possible to those who believe", And that includes healing.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

See how many times Jesus said word to the effect of, "Thy faith has healed thee, According to you faith be it unto you".

Some people say they believe, They even think they believe, and they are waiting and expecting God to healed them, But expecting and waiting are the qualities of Hope, Whereas Faith knows they are healed, And receive it.

Jesus said, "All things are possible to those who believe", And that includes healing.

if this was true, there would still be people alive who lived in the time of Christ, because God would have healed them.

Faith goes both ways.

I trust you to heal me, and you will

I trust that whatever your plan and purpose is, It is for a good reason. So I give my body to you, If it is your will to heal me. Praise God and amen, if it is not. Please show me the reason, so I can help you with your plan.

This is what James is speaking about in the first chapter.

 

[saved1975]

it is prety amazing, these faith healers and everyone will be healed must not study james at all..or the life of Paul,

The Bible says, "We are healed", 1 Pet 2: 24.
The Bible says, "The believer shall lay hands on the sick, and they SHALL recover", Mk 16: 17--18.
James says, "The prayer of faith SHALL heal the sick. James 5: 14--15.

 

[saved1975]

God uses healing lack of healing for his purpose. We should not question God on how he does things, As a good friend told me. We can only see through a narrow lens, God seas the whole picture, He sees things we can not see, when we get to heaven, Many people will confess how someones faith in sickness led them to Christ, Many others will say how someone being healed led them to Christ. Many more will say how their "thorn in the flesh" kept them focused on God. Or how it brought them back to God when they were walking away.

Again, Do not question God, He sees things we can not possibly see, and he has a purpose for everything he does. and it is for our benefit, and the benefit of those around us.

Jesus gave us the perfect example of God's will, And everyone who came to Jesus for healing in faith, Jesus healed them.
If God heals one person, He is bound by His word and love to heal everyone who comes to Him in faith.

 

[saved1975]

if this was true, there would still be people alive who lived in the time of Christ, because God would have healed them.

Faith goes both ways.

I trust you to heal me, and you will

I trust that whatever your plan and purpose is, It is for a good reason. So I give my body to you, If it is your will to heal me. Praise God and amen, if it is not. Please show me the reason, so I can help you with your plan.

This is what James is speaking about in the first chapter.

When Adam fell, He brought a curse on the world, And one of those curses is, people shall grow old and die, So those early believers would have grew old and died of old age.

I don't know what version you got that quote from James out of, But it certainly isn't in me Bible,
James knew it's God's will to heal, James 5: 14--15.

"If" is the badge of doubt or Biblical ignorance.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

When Adam fell, He brought a curse on the world, And one of those curses is, people shall grow old and die, So those early believers would have grew old and died of old age.

I don't know what version you got that quote from James out of, But it certainly isn't in me Bible,
James knew it's God's will to heal, James 5: 14--15.

"If" is the badge of doubt or Biblical ignorance.

1. James 5 is speaking of spiritual healing. not physical.
2. james 1 speaks of persevering over suffering. why would james speak of persevering, and how suffering grows us, If he thought we could just confess and get healed. He did not contradict himself.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Jesus gave us the perfect example of God's will, And everyone who came to Jesus for healing in faith, Jesus healed them.
If God heals one person, He is bound by His word and love to heal everyone who comes to Him in faith.

He healed in his day because it proved who he was. That does not mean everyone will be healed. Saying people will be healed is dangerous. And is not from God.

Again, if God healed everyone, no one would die.