Sterling Banned from NBA

[santuzza]

So now we start down the slippery slope.

I'm a business owner that operates a store through Amazon. Say, from an illegally recorded and disseminated recording, Amazon found out that I believe homosexuality is a sin. Well, they might be offended by this and decide that they don't want me in their Marketplace. So they ban me. Now my business is greatly impaired, and I'm left limping along on my own.

Hmmmm.... Doesn't seem too far away considering what just happened to Sterling.

Any other thoughts?

And this is NOT to say that I don't think Sterling's remarks are repugnant -- they are -- but that's another issue entirely.

 

[Elizabeth619]

His remarks were horrible but the recording was entrapment. It's not even admissible in court.

 

[Drett]

Entrapment is just a tool lawyers can use to bypass justice. Fruit of the poisonous tree is another.

From my limited understanding on what happened I have no sympathy for him. I cannot comment on whether his punishment is fair or not.

 

[jakester8194]

While I understand why there has been such an uproar as his remarks were degrading to his players and all blacks the same, I think there also must be drawn a line here with free speech. I am in no way condoning his actions but look, Our country seems to worship Free will (free speech, Free religion, Unity of the races etc...) until of course it offends somebody. If were going to have free speech how far does it go? I believe that there definitely needs to be equality and love between the races but I do not believe that ones beliefs, No matter how over-the-top they are, no matter how unattractive they are, should result in being banned from something they've devoted there lives too. Perhaps lovingly pointed the right way. but what does banning him do but simply give him more bitterness to hold against blacks? I do not think Jesus would have banned Don sterling were Jesus in Adam Silvers position. I think it would be much more Christ like to fine Mr. Sterling and for him to publicly apologize. Our nation complains about the evil in this world but yet harbor it by being unforgiving.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Entrapment is just a tool lawyers can use to bypass justice. Fruit of the poisonous tree is another.

From my limited understanding on what happened I have no sympathy for him. I cannot comment on whether his punishment is fair or not.

Oh I agree with you totally. Yet bc it is intrapmant little can be done legally.

 

[kayem77]

Because of what he said, it's hard to feel sympathy for him. But I do question the NBA's actions, especially the fine. I understand he was banned by means of a vote (at least 3/4 in favor of banning him), but I don't know why he was fined $2.5 million, unless this was part of a contract?

 

[crossnote]

So now we start down the slippery slope.

I'm a business owner that operates a store through Amazon. Say, from an illegally recorded and disseminated recording, Amazon found out that I believe homosexuality is a sin. Well, they might be offended by this and decide that they don't want me in their Marketplace. So they ban me. Now my business is greatly impaired, and I'm left limping along on my own.

Hmmmm.... Doesn't seem too far away considering what just happened to Sterling.

Any other thoughts?

And this is NOT to say that I don't think Sterling's remarks are repugnant -- they are -- but that's another issue entirely.

That was my first thoughts when I heard only bits and pieces of the story...There goes free speech via political correctness.
BTW I thought his punishment was totally excessive.

 

[santuzza]

Yes, Crossnote -- $2.5M for saying something in a PRIVATE conversation?!

How many of us have said things in private that we would NOT want revealed in public? I know I have.

 

[1still_waters]

In the name of privacy, we're allowed to murder babies.
But privacy goes out the door when it comes to words said in private.

So as a society we've decided that privacy protects murder of innocent babies, but privacy doesn't actually protect from private words being considered private words.

Yes what he said is disgusting, but I do find it interesting that folks don't seem to give a rip about privacy.

 

[SarahM777]

In the name of privacy, we're allowed to murder babies.
But privacy goes out the door when it comes to words said in private.

So as a society we've decided that privacy protects murder of innocent babies, but privacy doesn't actually protect from private words being considered private words.

Yes what he said is disgusting, but I do find it interesting that folks don't seem to give a rip about privacy.

Why did it take this for someone to actually notice there is MORE to his long history of this type of thing?

[h=1]Why the world finally noticed Donald Sterling’s appalling history[/h]
The Donald Sterling who is dominating headlines and drawing widespread condemnation for allegedly saying a metric ton of racist things is the same Donald Sterling who has a long, long, long history of being accused of saying or doing offensive things. So why is this time — and why are these particular remarks — different? Why has the world suddenly discovered Donald Sterling?
It’s useful to step back for a moment and remember that this is not a sudden, heretofore unknown side of Sterling being unearthed. Rather, this is just the first time Sterling’s behavior has been the subject of quite so much scrutiny, shining for the first time the brightest possible light on his extensive and unbelievable history.
Consider that Bomani Jones wrote a story headlined “Sterling’s racism should be news”in 2006. Again: 2006. Eight years and 351 losses by the Clippers ago. Jones wrote this after Sterling was sued for housing discrimination. In the lawsuit, Sterling was accused of refusing to rent apartments to black people. (This followed a different lawsuit filed in 2003 alleging that Sterling tried to drive out black and Hispanic tenants, a suit that was settled with an undisclosed financial settlement that was believed to be quite sizable.) As Jones pointed out, the story didn’t really draw much attention at the time.
Sterling was ordered in 2009 to pay a $2.725 million settlement, the largest ever obtained by the Justice Department for such a housing discrimination case. (Sterling and his wife denied any wrongdoing.)
That same year, former Clippers executive and NBA Hall of Fame member Elgin Baylor filed a lawsuit alleging decades of racist behavior by Sterling. Among other things, the suit claimed that Sterling said things like “I’m offering a lot of money for a poor black kid,” and said he wanted the team to be made up of “poor black boys from the South” with a white coach. (The racial claims were dropped before the trial; a jury rejected the lawsuit in 2011.)
The other stories are plentiful. Here’s Sterling allegedly using a racial slur when talking with a head coaching candidate during the early 1980s. Here’s Sterling testifying about paying a woman for sex. Here’s someone who worked at a building Sterling owned saying in sworn testimony that he heard Sterling say the following: “I don’t like Mexican men because they smoke, drink and just hang around the house.” (Peater Keating’s story for ESPN The Magazine in 2009 outlined a lengthy array of things Sterling was accused of saying; in the story, Keating noted that Sterling’s behavior was largely not being covered by the media.)


These are not one or two examples taken out of context over his decades as a public figure. These are things that have long been known to sports fans, a record of behavior that has cost him millions and been the subject of lawsuits and criticism. As The New York Times put it on Monday: “Sterling’s behavior is not exactly a secret. It is a matter of public record.” Deadspin has documented this history time and time again.
“Why Sterling is still around is beyond me,” Tommy Craggs wrote for Deadspin in 2009. “Sterling is making the league look bad, and its apparent indifference toward Sterling’s legal issues is making the NBA look even worse,” Jemele Hill wrote for ESPN the same year. Dave Zirin, in his 2010 book “Bad Sports: How Owners Are Ruining the Games We Love,” wrote about Sterling’s “flair for racism” and “panache for prejudice.”
Yet, it took an audio recording allegedly capturing Sterling saying astonishingly bigoted things for the world to finally notice. TMZ posted the initial recording; Deadspin followed that by posting a longer version. (The Clippers have said they don’t know if the tape is legitimate and pointed out that the woman on the tape is being sued by the Sterling family.)

Rest of th story here

Why the world finally noticed Donald Sterling’s appalling history

 

[pastac]

The nba is a private company who makes rules to govern their business kind of like lots of churches do so you can think its ok to remove a pastor from a church by a vote of the people but not a private business I'm confused. The fact is this is a stand that had to be made and if such stands were made in the church we would get the same reactions, Excessive no way overdue yes entrapment no his words entrapped him snared him nobody put the words in his mouth or the thoughts in his head that he uttered out of his own lips. Yeah we live in that type world sorry as a visitor here in this world I still don't understand all the rules I'm just doing the best I can. And I watch what I say about folks even on chat sites wouldn't want to get sued for something I said about a pastor with money!

 

[Dude653]

What he said was disgusting and repugnant but how do you fine someone for a private conversation. I would not pay a dime of that fine until they took me to court for it.

 

[Brighthouse]

Hope he fights for his freedom!! being ignorant in words does not make a person a racist! and the example that was shown earlier he later after spending 3 million dollars received an award!! By the same group who judged him! Strange isn't it? How far will we allow others to tell us what we cannot say? I do not agree with what he said, but what he said,was in private,in California both sides have to agree with being recorded. TMZ and media have judged him,not fair if this was done to us!! So how is it fair to him?? It isn't! That is all I will say on this lol

 

[SonInMe]

Thing is this...

Its a public business that depends on public trust. If that trust is broken, then no one will go to NBA games and they all lose.

From a business standpoint I understand what the NBA did....they protected the product. In this extremely thin skinned era where you cannot even disagree politically with the president without being called a racist, the NBA had little choice.

How this information was gathered was criminal.

I believe it was a set-up. Magic Johnson was involved, wants to buy the team, even though he has denied it, and was the first to condemn Sterling on national tv.

Lets put some perspective on this situation. First what Sterling said was offensive...ok? However....

his gf who knows he is married, had a photo taken with Magic Johnson and then put it up on instagram. Then she calls him and asks very leading questions that exposes his racism...ok?

Think on that for a sec. Your gf, who knows you are married, which makes her a woman of loose morals, is taking a pic with Magic Johnson, a man proven to have the loosest morals, and HIV....wouldn't that kinda upset you?

....and wouldn't the gf KNOW that? Did it anyways and then set him up on a phone call, which was recorded with amazing sound quality?

With Magic Johnson who stands to get a great deal on a ''tarnished'' franchise and being black, of course, would make it all right. Obama will praise him and he will be a national hero once again.

Sterling should lose his team....and be paid for it....but the rest should go to jail too.

Instead Johnson will get some medal from our president.

Yeah, that is our country today.

 

[pastac]

Hope he fights for his freedom!! being ignorant in words does not make a person a racist! and the example that was shown earlier he later after spending 3 million dollars received an award!! By the same group who judged him! Strange isn't it? How far will we allow others to tell us what we cannot say? I do not agree with what he said, but what he said,was in private,in California both sides have to agree with being recorded. TMZ and media have judged him,not fair if this was done to us!! So how is it fair to him?? It isn't! That is all I will say on this lol

out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks !!!
he is a racist and if you can't see that oh well

 

[SonInMe]

Does anyone think what Sterling said was not racist?

 

[Brighthouse]

A racist is one who believes that there present race or any present race is better then another"s. Is it being racist not to wish to hang with your old, so called friends as a believer be they white and black,and other races?? To be a racist one would not even associate with that race in ANY!!! way!

Why a racist would never even have a race they hate so much as work for them!! And he sure would give them enough money to buy houses and cars, because he would be promoting that race! Feeding into it! So it sure does depend on how WE define one!! We judge? We condemn another whom we have never even met??

Because he said he did not wish for his girlfriend to hang around with another black player? A might sensitive are we?? It does not matter what I say,nor what any of you say as to this answer.He did make a very stupid statement,in this we can all agree! If I say I hate fruit, but yet serve it at my table,I will not partake of eating it,but others sure can if they wish to.A racist would not even make that fruit available! LOL To me there is a very large difference between not wishing to be around someone and being a racist!

 

[pastac]

A racist is one who believes that there present race or any present race is better then another"s. Is it being racist not to wish to hang with your old, so called friends as a believer be they white and black,and other races?? To be a racist one would not even associate with that race in ANY!!! way!

Why a racist would never even have a race they hate so much as work for them!! And he sure would give them enough money to buy houses and cars, because he would be promoting that race! Feeding into it! So it sure does depend on how WE define one!! We judge? We condemn another whom we have never even met??

Because he said he did not wish for his girlfriend to hang around with another black player? A might sensitive are we?? It does not matter what I say,nor what any of you say as to this answer.He did make a very stupid statement,in this we can all agree! If I say I hate fruit, but yet serve it at my table,I will not partake of eating it,but others sure can if they wish to.A racist would not even make that fruit available! LOL To me there is a very large difference between not wishing to be around someone and being a racist!

rac·ist

/ˈreɪ

sɪst/ Show Spelled [rey-sist] Show IPA noun 1. a person who believes in racism, the doctrine that a certain human race is superior to any or all others.


adjective 2. of or like racists or racism: racist policies; racist attitudes.



[HR][/HR] Origin:
race[SUP]2 [/SUP] (n.) + -ist

Related forms an·ti·ra·cist, noun, adjective

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rac·ism

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noun 1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.

2. a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.

3. hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.



[HR][/HR] Origin:
1865–70; < French racisme. See race[SUP]2 [/SUP], -ism

Related forms rac·ist, noun, adjective
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so if you looked at the video and heard what he said you tell me again what is racist?

 

[David_1]

I notice the ones that advocate for Corporate Freedom, are quick to abandon that notion when they need to come to the rescue of a racist bigot (or some other right winger that hates his neighbour).

So all of a sudden the NBA needs to do as it's told.

Aren't you so-called "Christians" tired of spending all your energy sticking up for racist, bigoted millionaire old white dudes?

Maybe those guys have enough resources to fend for themselves? Maybe they weren't the focus of Jesus' ministry on Earth?

 

[pastac]

I notice the ones that advocate for Corporate Freedom, are quick to abandon that notion when they need to come to the rescue of a racist bigot (or some other right winger that hates his neighbour).

So all of a sudden the NBA needs to do as it's told.

Aren't you so-called "Christians" tired of spending all your energy sticking up for racist, bigoted millionaire old white dudes?

Maybe those guys have enough resources to fend for themselves? Maybe they weren't the focus of Jesus' ministry on Earth?

Interesting to say the least