The Seven Feasts are all about Jesus.

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Hizikyah

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Another interesting thing about the Feasts/appointed times of Yahweh is that it was prophesied that they would be falsely changed.

Daniel 7:25, "And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time"

2166 zeman

zeman: time
Original Word: ?????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: zeman
Phonetic Spelling: (zem-awn')
Short Definition: time

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from H2165; the same as H2165:—season, time.

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) a set time, time, season

Not the next word is "time" for , "a time and times and the dividing of time"

It is a different root word from the first thus showing it conveys a different meaning.


5732 iddan - time
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: iddan
Phonetic Spelling: (id-dawn')
Short Definition: time

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
(Chaldee); from a root corresponding to that of H5708; a set time; technically a year:—time.

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) time
1a) time (of duration)
1b) year

Leviticus 23:2, "Speak to the children of Israel, and tell them, 'The set feasts of Yahweh, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, even these are my set feasts."
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4150. moed - appointed time, place, or meeting
Original Word: ??????
Part of Speech: Noun Masculine
Transliteration: moed
Phonetic Spelling: (mo-ade')
Short Definition: meeting

Brown-Driver-Briggs (Old Testament Hebrew-English Lexicon)
From H3259; properly an appointment, that is, a fixed time or season; specifically a festival; conventionally a year; by implication, an assembly (as convened for a definite purpose); technically the congregation; by extension, the place of meeting; also a signal (as appointed beforehand):—appointed (sign, time), (place of, solemn) assembly, congregation, (set, solemn) feast, (appointed, due) season, solemn (-ity), synagogue, (set) time (appointed).

Hebrew Word Study (Transliteration-Pronunciation Etymology & Grammar)
1) appointed place, appointed time, meeting
1a) appointed time
1a1) appointed time (general)
1a2) sacred season, set feast, appointed season
1b) appointed meeting
1c) appointed place
1d) appointed sign or signal
1e) tent of meeting

1 Corinthians 5:7-8, "Therefore, purge out the old leaven, that you may be a new batch, since you are unleavened. For truly Yahshua our Passover was sacrificed for us. Therefore, let us keep the Feast, not with bold leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."

1858. heortazo
heortazo: I keep a feast
Original Word: ???t???
Part of Speech: Verb
Transliteration: heortazo
Phonetic Spelling: (heh-or-tad'-zo)
Short Definition: I keep a feast
Definition: I take part in a festival, keep a feast

Colossians 2:16-23, "16Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths, 17which are a shadow of the coming things, and the body [is] of the Christ; 18let no one beguile you of your prize, delighting in humble-mindedness and [in] worship of the messengers, intruding into the things he hath not seen, being vainly puffed up by the mind of his flesh, 19and not holding the head, from which all the body — through the joints and bands gathering supply, and being knit together — may increase with the increase of God.20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances? 21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle — 22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men, 23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh."

I think we have v16 down, I want to focus on 20-23, as to see context. Shaul (Paul) in nearly all his thoughts talks about a topic and then goes on to explain, he uses an advanced style of writing as his (worldly) education was beyond that of the other NT writers.

20If, then, ye did die with the Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances?

So he is saying if your dead to the world why would you subject yourself to its (the worlds) ordinances. To think he is saying if your dead to the world then why would you subject yourself to Yahweh"s/Yahshua's Commandments would make no sense, but he explains it further.

21— thou mayest not touch, nor taste, nor handle

the pharisees had a law in which you could not eat meat and cheese togather, or even within 4 houhs of eachother. Now this is not in Yahweh's Law even, Yahweh's Law says dont boil a child in its mothers milk (3 times) (the local pagans had this as a religious practice Yahweh did not want His people to partake in these evil pagan practices) the pharisees using something called "midrashic interpretation" the pharisees looked at it and said well since it says this three times it must meant three different things. SO THEY MADE UP THEIR OWN LAW, that was completely disconnected from Scripture and enforced it as from Yahweh.

22which are all for destruction with the using, after the commands and teachings of men,

So here very clearly he states "the commandments of men", now if you read from 16-20 you see he stays on topic, and 20 says basically if your dead to the world why do what the world tells you, so we can see he is still on this topic from v16. In this verse 22, he says "which are all for destruction", how does Sabbath lead to destruction and it would also have to be a "commandment of men" if there is ant commandment that is the farthest thing possible from being a "commandment of men" it is the Sabbath, it was from creation and it shows the AUTHORITY of the Creator, the mark of the Creator. Also tying a "commandment of men" to destruction Romans 8:13, "For if you live according to the commandments of men, you will die; but if, through the Spirit, you put to death; put an end to, the evildoing of mankind, you will live."

23which are, indeed, having a matter of wisdom in will-worship, and humble-mindedness, and neglecting of body — not in any honour, unto a satisfying of the flesh.

Pleasing of the pharisees by following the talmud. v22 for context = "after the commands and teachings of men"

you see the pharisees would have a problem if you did things according to Yahweh's instruction and not their ORAL LAW, this is shown in MATT 15, 23, mark 7:7-9, etc

If you kept the Sabbath NOT according to the Talmud but according to the Scriptures the Pharisees would have a problem.

Matt 12:10 & 12, "And, behold, there was a man who had a withered hand. Then they asked
Him, saying; Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath Days?--so that they might accuse Him."
"And how much more valuable is a man than a sheep? Therefore, it is Lawful to do righteousness on the Sabbath."

The "Rabbis" also made their own holidays, Haunnaka and Rosh hashanna and more. when they left babylon they even changed the names of the moons (months), and rosh hashanna even changes the time of the new year, commandment and ordinances of men. the calendar Yahweh instuted is Yahweh's calendar, the one who created it created the heavens and the earth. Our current calendar is the gregorian calendar, which goes back to the bablonian calendar. Yahweh said the days end and begin at sunset, not the "Rabbis."

% made up "feast days" the Pharisees may had, brought you to trial, beat, imprisoned, or even killed you for not honoring. The Talmud tells a story of another "Rabbi" disagreeing and wanting to follow the Scriptures, and the head Pharisees makes then man, on threat of death appear in public on a Scriptual Feast Day in a way that the man cant honor Yahweh, thus commanding him to disobey Yahweh.

Rosh Hashanah (New Year)
Rosh Hashanah occurs on the first and second days of Tishri (the 7th moon or month, Yahweh's year starts in the 1st month). In Hebrew, Rosh Hashanah means, literally, "head of the year" or "first of the year." Rosh Hashanah is commonly known as the Jewish New Year.

How does the year start in the 7th month? According to the Scriptures and Yahweh;s calendar the year starts in the 1st month, Abib.

Chanukkah
On the 25th of Kislev are the days of Chanukkah, which are eight... these were appointed a Festival with Hallel [prayers of praise] and thanksgiving. -Shabbat 21b, Babylonian Talmud

Tu B'Shevat
There are four new years... the first of Shevat is the new year for trees according to the ruling of Beit Shammai; Beit Hillel, however, places it on the fifteenth of that month. -Mishnah Rosh Hashanah 1:1

Purim
Is one of the most joyous and fun holidays on the Jewish calendar. It commemorates a time when the Jewish people living in Persia were saved from extermination.

Tisha B'Av
Five misfortunes befell our fathers ... on the ninth of Av. ...On the ninth of Av it was decreed that our fathers should not enter the [Promised] Land, the Temple was destroyed the first and second time, Bethar was captured and the city [Jerusalem] was ploughed up. -Mishnah Ta'anit 4:6
 

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Here is a concise article of How Jesus will eventually fulfill all of the 7 Jewish feasts.

I believe this. In ancient times, God spoke to Moses and told him to tell the Israelites what God's appointed feasts and sacred assemblies would be (Leviticus 23:1-44). These are the four primary Hebraic or Jewish Feasts/Holy Days in the Spring:

  1. Passover,
  2. Feast of Unleavened Bread,
  3. Feast of Firstfruits, and
  4. Shavuot (Feast of Weeks).

In fact, Jesus was crucified and died on the day of Passover. He was buried before sunset and lay in the tomb on the first three nights of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. He was resurrected physically from death on the day of Firstfruits. And, fifty days from His resurrection (and ten days following His ascension into heaven—Acts 1:3,9), the Holy Spirit came upon many Jews who had gathered in Jerusalem on Shavuot, or the day of Pentecost. Many more details can be found in Parts I, II, III, and IV of Chapter 4 of my online book in
Hebraic Spring Festivals/Holy Days and also in Good Thursday.These are the three primary Hebraic Jewish Feasts/Holy Days in the Fall:


  1. Rosh haShanah (Feast of Trumpets),
  2. Yom Kippur (Day of Atonement), and
  3. Sukkot (Feast of Tabernacles).

I believe that the main Rapture event will occur on a Rosh haShanah, that the physical return of Jesus to the earth at the end of the 70th Week will occur on a Yom Kippur, and then the survivors of the nations of the world who attacked Jerusalem during the 70th Week will gather in Jerusalem to worship Jesus, the King, on Sukkot or the Feast of Tabernacles (Zechariah 14:16). The latter probably is Jesus' birthday, rather than Christmas. Many more details can be found in Parts I, II, and III of Chapter 5 of my online book in Hebraic Fall Festivals/Holy Days.

From: How is it that Jesus is the fulfillment of the Jewish Spring and Fall feasts and holy days?
The main rapture event mania is just another red herring.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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...so, if the Fall Feasts of the Lord are rehearsals for when He returns...why aren't Christians rehearsing?
why would we? We have more important things to do. Like win the lost. Disciple our brothers and sisters. Get our own lives to maturity. Be lights in the world for God. be ambassadors of Christ, Fight Spiritual warefare.

we do not have time to sit around doing repetitions religious traditions when we have so much more to do.
 

john832

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The Seven Feast the God commanded the the Jews to observe, by law are important to Christins, as they show us about significant events and Christ has or will fulfill them all.

From: How did Jesus fulfill the meanings of the Jewish feasts?

The first four of the seven feasts occur during the springtime (Passover, Unleavened Bread, First Fruits, and Weeks), and they all have already been fulfilled by Christ in the New Testament. The final three holidays (Trumpets, the Day of Atonement, and Tabernacles) occur during the fall, all within a short fifteen-day period


1) Passover (Leviticus 23:5) – Pointed to the Messiah as our Passover lamb (1 Corinthians 5:7) whose blood would be shed for our sins. Jesus was crucified on the day of preparation for the Passover at the same hour that the lambs were being slaughtered for the Passover meal that evening.

2) Unleavened Bread (Leviticus 23:6) – Pointed to the Messiah's sinless life (as leaven is a picture of sin in the Bible), making Him the perfect sacrifice for our sins. Jesus' body was in the grave during the first days of this feast, like a kernel of wheat planted and waiting to burst forth as the bread of life.

3) First Fruits (Leviticus 23:10) – Pointed to the Messiah's resurrection as the first fruits of the righteous. Jesus was resurrected on this very day, which is one of the reasons that Paul refers to him in1 Corinthians 15:20as the "first fruits from the dead."

4) Weeks or Pentecost (Leviticus 23:16) – Occurred fifty days after the beginning of the Feast of Unleavened Bread and pointed to the great harvest of souls and the gift of the Holy Spirit for both Jew and Gentile, who would be brought into the kingdom of God during the Church Age (seeActs 2). The Church was actually established on this day when God poured out His Holy Spirit and 3,000 Jews responded to Peter's great sermon and his first proclamation of the gospel.

5) Trumpets (Leviticus 23:24) – The first of the fall feasts. Many believe this day points to the Rapture of the Church when the Messiah Jesus will appear in the heavens as He comes for His bride, the Church. The Rapture is always associated in Scripture with the blowing of a loud trumpet (1 Thessalonians 4:13-18and1 Corinthians 15:52).

6) Day of Atonement (Leviticus 23:27) – Many believe this prophetically points to the day of the Second Coming of Jesus when He will return to earth. That will be the Day of Atonement for the Jewish remnant when they "look upon Him whom they have pierced," repent of their sins, and receive Him as their Messiah (Zechariah 12:10andRomans 11:1-6,25-36).

7) Tabernacles or Booths (Leviticus 23:34) – Many scholars believe that this feast day points to the Lord's promise that He will once again “tabernacle” with His people when He returns to reign over all the world (Micah 4:1-7).

Read more:How did Jesus fulfill the meanings of the Jewish feasts?
These Feasts reveal the entire plan of God. That is why we shoudl keep them. Every year we rehearse God's plan by keeping HIS Feasts.
 

john832

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Scripture please . . .

Thanks.

-JGIG
Right about here is the place for...

Col 2:16 So let no one judge you in food or in drink, or regarding a festival or a new moon or sabbaths,
Col 2:17 which are a shadow of things to come, but the substance is of Christ.

Now what is it that xmas and Ishtar are a shadow of? I forgot.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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So you'd correct a Jewish person about their own Feasts?

Classy.

You do realize that the 'Lost Tribes' aren't lost anymore and haven't been lost for a very, very long time, right?

Perhaps you should read this article (written by a Jew, but I hope that won't disqualify him - AND he uses contextual Scripture!): Levitt Letter Extra News | Ten Lost Tribes: Found!


-JGIG
excellent article. Love how it is not just opinion. But gives biblical fact to prove his points.

I find it amazing that people think God would make a prophesy he could not keep. it is like he "lost" 9/12's of a family he made promises too. (I say 9. because one tribe is Levi, which was included with Judah and Daniel in the kingdom of Judah)
 
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These Feasts reveal the entire plan of God. That is why we shoudl keep them. Every year we rehearse God's plan by keeping HIS Feasts.
so you need to rehearse them? Why? Is God going to have you do something to fulfill it that you have to prepare for your part?
 
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hello good friends!:)
wasn't the feast of trumpets already fulfilled?:D weren't the trumpets an alarm, to fear and repent and even to flee?

'Now in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall also have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It will be to you a day for blowing trumpets. Numbers 29:1

"Announce in Judah and proclaim in Jerusalem and say: 'Sound the trumpet throughout the land!' Cry aloud and say: 'Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities!' Jeremiah 4:5

is this the feast of trumpets?:) were the silver trumpets used at the feast of trumpets? or the shofar?

Blow the trumpet in Zion, declare a holy fast, call a sacred assembly. Joel 2:15

The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. Joel 2:31
 
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so you need to rehearse them? Why? Is God going to have you do something to fulfill it that you have to prepare for your part?
We are told to be ready and to look for "the Blessed Hope". The Rapture is imminent...it can come at any time. There is nothing that needs to be fulfilled in order for it to happen. Neither can we "make" it happen. We all should live in "expectation" of this blessed event. Rehearse? I don't think so....the Lord could come and catch us all away at any moment. The Rapture is not some kind of "play"...Get right or get left!

1 Thessalonians 5:1 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.
1 Thessalonians 5:2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
1 Thessalonians 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief.
1 Thessalonians 5:5 Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
1 Thessalonians 5:6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.
1 Thessalonians 5:7 For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night.
1 Thessalonians 5:8 But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation.
1 Thessalonians 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ,
1 Thessalonians 5:10 Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him.

Even so, come Lord Jesus! Maranatha!
 

john832

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so you need to rehearse them? Why? Is God going to have you do something to fulfill it that you have to prepare for your part?
Sure...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Christ instructed His disciples to do this yearly.
 

john832

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hello good friends!:)
wasn't the feast of trumpets already fulfilled?:D weren't the trumpets an alarm, to fear and repent and even to flee?

'Now in the seventh month, on the first day of the month, you shall also have a holy convocation; you shall do no laborious work. It will be to you a day for blowing trumpets. Numbers 29:1

"Announce in Judah and proclaim in Jerusalem and say: 'Sound the trumpet throughout the land!' Cry aloud and say: 'Gather together! Let us flee to the fortified cities!' Jeremiah 4:5

is this the feast of trumpets?:) were the silver trumpets used at the feast of trumpets? or the shofar?

Blow the trumpet in Zion, declare a holy fast, call a sacred assembly. Joel 2:15

The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD. Joel 2:31
Nope, the Feast of Trumpets is not fulfilled yet, it looks forward...

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Paul was looking forward to the fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets twenty some years AFTER Christ's resurrection.

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

1Th 4:16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
1Th 4:17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

Rev 8:1 And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.
Rev 8:2 And I saw the seven angels which stood before God; and to them were given seven trumpets.

Rev 8:6 And the seven angels which had the seven trumpets prepared themselves to sound.

Hasn't happened yet.
 
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Sure...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Christ instructed His disciples to do this yearly.
what does this have to do with a jewish feast?
 

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so you need to rehearse them? Why? Is God going to have you do something to fulfill it that you have to prepare for your part?
Leviticus 23:2 - spoken to the "children of Israel" and God say they are His Feasts.

Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 23:44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

If you are not one of the "children of Israel", you have nothing to rehearse.
 
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Leviticus 23:2 - spoken to the "children of Israel" and God say they are His Feasts.

Lev 23:43 That your generations may know that I made the children of Israel to dwell in booths, when I brought them out of the land of Egypt: I am the LORD your God.
Lev 23:44 And Moses declared unto the children of Israel the feasts of the LORD.

If you are not one of the "children of Israel", you have nothing to rehearse.
As Scofield points out, there are three groups of people now:

1 Corinthians 10.32:

Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:
 
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Sure...

1Co 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:
1Co 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.
1Co 11:25 After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying, This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink it, in remembrance of me.

Christ instructed His disciples to do this yearly.
Jesus didn't instruct His disciples about how often to "do this" (observe the Lord's Supper/Communion). And Paul states in 1 Cor. 11:25 "as oft as"....which generally means as often as. The Bible does not say how often the Church is to observe the Lord's Supper.

what does this have to do with a jewish feast?
The Lord's Supper is a memorial meal initiated by the Lord Jesus Christ on the eve of His passion, symbolizing His death and blood atonement for sin (Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:19-21; John 13). Christ is our Passover...this is the only connection with a Jewish feast that I can come up with.
 
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Jesus didn't instruct His disciples about how often to "do this" (observe the Lord's Supper/Communion). And Paul states in 1 Cor. 11:25 "as oft as"....which generally means as often as. The Bible does not say how often the Church is to observe the Lord's Supper.


The Lord's Supper is a memorial meal initiated by the Lord Jesus Christ on the eve of His passion, symbolizing His death and blood atonement for sin (Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:19-21; John 13). Christ is our Passover...this is the only connection with a Jewish feast that I can come up with.
It's interesting that in Acts 20.7 it says: "upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread".

The Luke 22 passage about the institution of the Lord's Supper seems clearly to indicate that what was instituted was distinct from the Passover, which looked forward to the Cross. The Lord's Supper repeatedly looks back at the Cross, the one, finished offering for sin.
 

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Jesus didn't instruct His disciples about how often to "do this" (observe the Lord's Supper/Communion). And Paul states in 1 Cor. 11:25 "as oft as"....which generally means as often as. The Bible does not say how often the Church is to observe the Lord's Supper.
Actually, the Bible says NOT to observe the Lord's Supper...

1Co 11:20 When ye come together therefore into one place, this is not to eat the Lord's supper.



The Lord's Supper is a memorial meal initiated by the Lord Jesus Christ on the eve of His passion, symbolizing His death and blood atonement for sin (Matthew 26:26-28; Mark 14:22-24; Luke 22:19-21; John 13). Christ is our Passover...this is the only connection with a Jewish feast that I can come up with.
You can call it a space shuttle if you want, but the early church kept the Passover on Nisan 14.

We already saw that Paul said we are not to eat the Lord's Supper. He instructed the Gentile church at Corinth to keep the Passover and Days of Unleavened Bread...

1Co 5:6 Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
1Co 5:7 Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us:
1Co 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

You should look into the Quartodeciman Controversy. You will find that Polycarp, disciple of the Apostle John, argued for the Passover on the fourteenth of Nisan (Abib) and Anicetus argued for Ishtar.

Oh and about the Jewish Feast thing...

Lev 23:4 These are the feasts of the LORD, even holy convocations, which ye shall proclaim in their seasons.
Lev 23:5 In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover.

Jesus Christ, the One who is known as the LORD and I AM, said that the Passover is His Feast. If your bible says the Passover is a Jewish Feast here, return it and get your money back, it contains misprints.
 
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It's interesting that in Acts 20.7 it says: "upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread".
In Acts 20:7 there is an indication that at least one church had the custom of taking the Lord's Supper every Lord's day. Some groups have made this into a law, but the Bible does not say that every first century church had that practice, and there is no commandment that describes how often a church must observe the Supper. Paul only said "as often as ye eat this bread, and drink this cup" (1 Corinthians 11:26). It does not say how often it should be done. It simply says "as often as" you observe the Supper, this is how it is to be done. I believe it is up to each individual church assembly to determine the "as often as" observance of the Lord's supper. At a Baptist church where I was a member, we observed the Lord's supper once a month.
The Luke 22 passage about the institution of the Lord's Supper seems clearly to indicate that what was instituted was distinct from the Passover, which looked forward to the Cross. The Lord's Supper repeatedly looks back at the Cross, the one, finished offering for sin.
I also agree that the Lord's supper is distinct from the Passover. The reason I even mentioned the Passover was an attempt to respond to the question about how 1 Cor.11:23-25, quoted by John832, was relevant to a Jewish feast. However, there are some churches which do observe the Lord's supper once a year, following the pattern of the Passover meal that Christ observed when He instituted the Supper.
The Four-fold Look of the Lord's Supper.

(1) The backward look (1 Corinthians 11:24-25). The Lord's Supper causes the believer to look back to the cross of Christ, which is the source of his salvation.

(2) The look around (1 Corinthians 11:25-26 "ye"; see also 1 Corinthians 10:16-17). When we take the Lord's Supper we should be reminded that we are part of a body, a family, of believers and that we are not merely individuals.

(3) The forward look (1 Corinthians 11:26 "till he come"). The Lord's Supper causes us to look forward to the return of Christ and thus to be mindful that we need to be ready at all times for that great event.

(4) The inward look (1 Corinthians 11:28-31). The Lord's Supper causes the believer to look within himself and to judge his spiritual condition before the Lord.

(Source: Way of Life Encyclopedia: LORD'S SUPPER)
 

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#39
It's interesting that in Acts 20.7 it says: "upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread".

The Luke 22 passage about the institution of the Lord's Supper seems clearly to indicate that what was instituted was distinct from the Passover, which looked forward to the Cross. The Lord's Supper repeatedly looks back at the Cross, the one, finished offering for sin.
Are you sure you know what Acts 20:7 says?

Act 20:7 And upon the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul preached unto them, ready to depart on the morrow; and continued his speech until midnight.

The word for "first" is...

G3391
μία
mia
mee'-ah
Irregular feminine of G1520; one or first: - a (certain), + agree, first, one, X other.

And it means first.

Notice the word "day" is in italics? Means it was not in the original, the translators added it.

The words "of the" are rendered from...

G3588
ὁ, ἡ, τό
ho hē to
ho, hay, to
The masculine, feminine (second) and neuter (third) forms, in all their inflections; the definite article; the (sometimes to be supplied, at others omitted, in English idiom): - the, this, that, one, he, she, it, etc.

And means "of the".

Now here is something interesting, the word for "week" here is...

G4521
σάββατον
sabbaton
sab'-bat-on
Of Hebrew origin [H7676]; the Sabbath (that is, Shabbath), or day of weekly repose from secular avocations (also the observance or institution itself); by extension a se'nnight, that is, the interval between two Sabbaths; likewise the plural in all the above applications: - sabbath (day), week.

Sabbath.

Let's put this together, in fact the Diaglott already has...

Act 20:7 In and the first of the sabbaths, having been assembled of us to break bread, the Paul discoursed to them, being about to depart on the morrow; continued and the discourse till midnight.

Now what is the first of the Sabbaths? Bullinger has this...

first, &c. = first day of the sabbaths, i.e. the first day for reckoning the seven sabbaths to Pentecost. It depended upon the harvest (Deu_16:9), and was always from the morrow after the weekly sabbath when the wave sheaf was presented (Lev_23:15). In Joh_20:1 this was the fourth day after the Crucifixion, "the Lord's Passover. "Compare App-156. This was by Divine ordering. But in A.D. 57 it was twelve days after the week of unleavened bread, and therefore more than a fortnight later than in A.D. 29.

Now what is the first of seven Sabbaths about?

Lev 23:15 And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath, from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Lev 23:16 Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days; and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.

This is the first of seven Sabbaths during the count to Pentecost. This is not a "Sunday go to metting" but rather the first Sabbath of the seven Sabbaths that one counted to determine Pentecost.

Here is what Bullinger has concerning "break bread"...

break bread. See note on Act_2:42.

OK, then what does he have concerning Acts 2:42?

Act 2:42 And they continued stedfastly in the apostles' doctrine and fellowship, and in breaking of bread, and in prayers.

breaking of bread. This was the common meal. Compare verses:##Act_44:46 and Mat_14:19. Isa_58:7.

We call 'em potlucks today.
 
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john 832,

Col 2:16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the Sabbath days:
Col 2:17 Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.
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greeting john,

we enjoyed your posts, we've been feast/keepers for many a year,
because it is Commanded in the OT and is obviously being kept in
the NT by Jesus Christ and the apostles.

we noticed that you quoted from the KJV, and it is still our favorite
version of reference, though we do consult many references.

we really like the fact that in many Study Bibles in the KJV,
it makes a point of telling the reader that the translators were
well aware of the Commandment of not adding or taking away
anything in the Inspired Word of God.
But, a problem arose in translating from one language to another
because if you translate it literally, sometimes it is very hard to
understand and sometimes it seems, to some, make no sense at all.
thankfully, they came up with a solution to put words that were
not in the original text in (ITALICS) in order to help clarify the
meanings. (in other words, they were covering themselves by
saying in the (ITALICS) that this is how WE see it and interpret it.

the point is really driven home in the scriptures you quoted.
the Colossians before they were converted NEVER kept any
of God's Holy Days, New Moons, or Sabbaths, so, why is Paul
saying, 'let no man judge you in meat, or in drink, or in
an Holy Day, or of the New Moon, or of The Sabbath'...
but NOTICE, that (DAYS) is added or (ITALICISED).
the point is really driven home when one jot is changed
in the next sentence,
vs.16-17.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an Holy Day,
or of the New Moon, or of the Sabbath; which are a shadow of things to come;
but the body of Christ.

in other words, the people of the world are not to judge you in these things,
(we're to not even care what the 'carnally/minded think) -
(IT IS THE COMMANDMENT KEEPING FAITHFUL BODY OF CHRIST THAT ARE TO BE OUR JUDGES).