What a disjointed body we have all become
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The zeal within often exudes overconfidence in our ability to explain something to another. We want so desperately for them to understand as we do for we fill we have direct revelation of truth. May or may not be true is the problem.
We then try to convince another that they are wrong. Which very well may be true unless you are the other person who thinks they are right. We go back and forth over points that foster debate and separate and push us apart. And the devil is laughing as we are debating.
The most interesting part is all are sincere and believe what they say to be correct and use scripture to back them up. Even if the scripture is distorted and twisted it is used. I teach this and I'll share it.
If I read KJV and quote from that alone as my base then I understand KJV words. Ok I speak to another who uses NASB,ESV,NKJV,NIV,or what ever version used then we are in two different places in our thoughts and understating of the same thing. That is not unity but confusion. In order for you to have the total understanding that I have you have to read what
I read or else you only have an idea of what I am saying basically. So even if the attempts to teach and share are sincere there is a disonection of information that causes division from the onset of our conversation. This happens so much and is a classic reason we can't agree. See Chart.
We then try to convince another that they are wrong. Which very well may be true unless you are the other person who thinks they are right. We go back and forth over points that foster debate and separate and push us apart. And the devil is laughing as we are debating.
The most interesting part is all are sincere and believe what they say to be correct and use scripture to back them up. Even if the scripture is distorted and twisted it is used. I teach this and I'll share it.
If I read KJV and quote from that alone as my base then I understand KJV words. Ok I speak to another who uses NASB,ESV,NKJV,NIV,or what ever version used then we are in two different places in our thoughts and understating of the same thing. That is not unity but confusion. In order for you to have the total understanding that I have you have to read what
I read or else you only have an idea of what I am saying basically. So even if the attempts to teach and share are sincere there is a disonection of information that causes division from the onset of our conversation. This happens so much and is a classic reason we can't agree. See Chart.
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Best Known Versions There are several more not listed[h=3] American Standard Version (ASV) [/h] The American Standard Version, also known as the Standard American Edition, Revised Version, is a revised version of the KJV. It was completed in 1885 and newly edited by the American Revision Committee in 1901.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] Common English Bible (CEB) [/h] The Common English Bible is a translation of the scriptures intended to be a comfortable reading level for over half of all English readers. It attempts to substitute more traditional biblical terminology with more natural wording.
[h=4]thought-for-thought and word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] Douay-Rheims (RHE) [/h] The Douay-Rheims is the translation upon which nearly all English Catholic Bible versions are based. It includes the seven Deutero-Canonical books (also known as the Apocrypha).
[h=4]word-for-word from Latin Vulgate[/h]
[h=3] English Standard Version (ESV) [/h] The ESV Bible is a relatively new Bible translation that combines word-for-word precision and accuracy with literary excellence, beauty, and readability.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] GOD'S WORD Translation (GW) [/h] GOD'S WORD Translation (GW) accurately translates the meaning of the original texts into clear, everyday language. Readable and reliable, GW is living, active, and life-changing.
[h=4]thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] Good News Translation (GNT) [/h] The Good News Translation was first published in 1976 by the American Bible Society in a "common language." The simple, everyday language makes it especially popular for children and those learning English.
[h=4]thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] Holman Christian Standard (CSB) [/h] The HCS is a highly readable, accurate translation written in modern English. It is published by Holman Bible Publishers, the oldest Bible publisher in America.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] King James Version (KJV) [/h] The KJV is the first version of Scripture authorized by the Protestant church and commissioned by England's King James I.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] Lexham English Bible (LEB) [/h] The LEB complements your primary translation with it's transparent design and literal rendering. It helps you see the text of God’s Word from another angle.
[h=4]literal[/h]
[h=3] New American Standard (NAS) [/h] The NAS is written in a formal style, but is more readable than the King James Version. It is highly respected as the most literal English translation of the Bible.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] New International Version (NIV) [/h] The NIV offers a balance between a word-for-word and thought-for-thought translation and is considered by many as a highly accurate and smooth-reading version of the Bible in modern English.
[h=4]Combination word-for-word and thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] New King James Version (NKJV) [/h] The NKJ is a modern language update of the original King James Version. It retains much of the traditional interpretation and sentence structure of the KJV.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] New Living Translation (NLT) [/h] Using modern English, the translators of the NLT focused on producing clarity in the meaning of the text rather than creating a literal, word-for-word equivalence. Their goal was to create a clear, readable translation while remaining faithful to original texts.
[h=4]thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] New Revised Standard (NRS) [/h] The New Revised Standard is a popular translation that follows in the traditions of the King James and Revised Standard Versions. It was written with the goal of preserving the best of the older versions while incorporating modern English.
[h=4]word-for-word and thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] Revised Standard Version (RSV) [/h] The Revised Standard Version is a revision of the King James Version, the Revised Version, and American Standard Version. This text is intended for both private reading and public worship.
[h=4]word-for-word using modern American language[/h]
[h=3] The Message (MSG) [/h] The Message is a paraphrase from the original languages written by Eugene, H. Peterson. The Message provides a fresh and unique Bible-reading experience.
[h=4]thought-for-thought; paraphrase[/h]
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] Common English Bible (CEB) [/h] The Common English Bible is a translation of the scriptures intended to be a comfortable reading level for over half of all English readers. It attempts to substitute more traditional biblical terminology with more natural wording.
[h=4]thought-for-thought and word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] Douay-Rheims (RHE) [/h] The Douay-Rheims is the translation upon which nearly all English Catholic Bible versions are based. It includes the seven Deutero-Canonical books (also known as the Apocrypha).
[h=4]word-for-word from Latin Vulgate[/h]
[h=3] English Standard Version (ESV) [/h] The ESV Bible is a relatively new Bible translation that combines word-for-word precision and accuracy with literary excellence, beauty, and readability.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] GOD'S WORD Translation (GW) [/h] GOD'S WORD Translation (GW) accurately translates the meaning of the original texts into clear, everyday language. Readable and reliable, GW is living, active, and life-changing.
[h=4]thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] Good News Translation (GNT) [/h] The Good News Translation was first published in 1976 by the American Bible Society in a "common language." The simple, everyday language makes it especially popular for children and those learning English.
[h=4]thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] Holman Christian Standard (CSB) [/h] The HCS is a highly readable, accurate translation written in modern English. It is published by Holman Bible Publishers, the oldest Bible publisher in America.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] King James Version (KJV) [/h] The KJV is the first version of Scripture authorized by the Protestant church and commissioned by England's King James I.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] Lexham English Bible (LEB) [/h] The LEB complements your primary translation with it's transparent design and literal rendering. It helps you see the text of God’s Word from another angle.
[h=4]literal[/h]
[h=3] New American Standard (NAS) [/h] The NAS is written in a formal style, but is more readable than the King James Version. It is highly respected as the most literal English translation of the Bible.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] New International Version (NIV) [/h] The NIV offers a balance between a word-for-word and thought-for-thought translation and is considered by many as a highly accurate and smooth-reading version of the Bible in modern English.
[h=4]Combination word-for-word and thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] New King James Version (NKJV) [/h] The NKJ is a modern language update of the original King James Version. It retains much of the traditional interpretation and sentence structure of the KJV.
[h=4]word-for-word[/h]
[h=3] New Living Translation (NLT) [/h] Using modern English, the translators of the NLT focused on producing clarity in the meaning of the text rather than creating a literal, word-for-word equivalence. Their goal was to create a clear, readable translation while remaining faithful to original texts.
[h=4]thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] New Revised Standard (NRS) [/h] The New Revised Standard is a popular translation that follows in the traditions of the King James and Revised Standard Versions. It was written with the goal of preserving the best of the older versions while incorporating modern English.
[h=4]word-for-word and thought-for-thought[/h]
[h=3] Revised Standard Version (RSV) [/h] The Revised Standard Version is a revision of the King James Version, the Revised Version, and American Standard Version. This text is intended for both private reading and public worship.
[h=4]word-for-word using modern American language[/h]
[h=3] The Message (MSG) [/h] The Message is a paraphrase from the original languages written by Eugene, H. Peterson. The Message provides a fresh and unique Bible-reading experience.
[h=4]thought-for-thought; paraphrase[/h]
You continue to spew forth hatred, judgment and mockery: Do you think yourself representing the Most high God with the image of yourself that you paint? As for my I.Q., God did what had to be done for me to comprehend what I had to learn. Of what offence is it to you that God did it in such a verifiable manner? Are you resentful or jealous? Don't be, the toll charged by ignorance such as you have displayed here carries it burdens and that is a sadness for how little you really know about God.
Yhvh was all there was when the desire for friendship showed itself from within Yhvh’s inner being, hence creation began and man began arrogantly explaining how all that is came into being. From the beginning to the present day, man has continually tried to reshape Yhvh into someone to take the blame for the bad things of this earth that man himself has been the creator of. Regardless God tried to reach man with an understanding of who He was at heart to forge friendships. Man made and continues to make many rules and laws that distort Yhvh’s heart to the point that obscures the free will choice of Yhvh as a friend. Uniting with others in pursuit of Yhvh empowers Him to reveal Himself and inspire us to love at the same level as God’s love for us. The bible says “If we have not the same love Yhvh has for us for the others of the body, we have nothing and if we have that love for each other, Yhvh will perfect us in His own time. Perfection is when we love the whole body, (with the Lord as our head) has for each other, the same love He love us. Let’s put it as simple as possible: Until we mourn the suffering of those trying to be part of Yeshua’s body and rejoice in their being lifted out of their suffering we know not the “Love of God”. People, who let greed and judgment guide their tongue, are quick to respond saying Yeshua said you shall always have the poor with you. But Yeshua never even insinuated the poor would always be a part of His Body. Or do we forget that in the first church to come together in the Lord’s name, was exampled as none had need! Halfway counts for nothing, it is just being warm and spewed out.
Yhvh was all there was when the desire for friendship showed itself from within Yhvh’s inner being, hence creation began and man began arrogantly explaining how all that is came into being. From the beginning to the present day, man has continually tried to reshape Yhvh into someone to take the blame for the bad things of this earth that man himself has been the creator of. Regardless God tried to reach man with an understanding of who He was at heart to forge friendships. Man made and continues to make many rules and laws that distort Yhvh’s heart to the point that obscures the free will choice of Yhvh as a friend. Uniting with others in pursuit of Yhvh empowers Him to reveal Himself and inspire us to love at the same level as God’s love for us. The bible says “If we have not the same love Yhvh has for us for the others of the body, we have nothing and if we have that love for each other, Yhvh will perfect us in His own time. Perfection is when we love the whole body, (with the Lord as our head) has for each other, the same love He love us. Let’s put it as simple as possible: Until we mourn the suffering of those trying to be part of Yeshua’s body and rejoice in their being lifted out of their suffering we know not the “Love of God”. People, who let greed and judgment guide their tongue, are quick to respond saying Yeshua said you shall always have the poor with you. But Yeshua never even insinuated the poor would always be a part of His Body. Or do we forget that in the first church to come together in the Lord’s name, was exampled as none had need! Halfway counts for nothing, it is just being warm and spewed out.
I see your demonstration of the god you imitate is a disappointment with his wise answer attitude speaking down to others in a degrading manner trying to look smart but only achieving insults. Not a god I care to know.
......or, more than likely, maybe not........ (just saying....... 
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Just to be clear..........I.Q. stands for individual quirks right?
)Just to be clear..........I.Q. stands for individual quirks right?
What an interesting thread. I can't help but see some foundational needs in the reading of any and every thread. Before I go, it's important to understand that words limit language and meaning-- that not all communication and meaning can be verbally expressed (i.e. most communication is non-verbal). That means that it's important to clearly define word meanings when getting into discussions like these-- especially as regards I.Q. I.Q. means 'intelligence quotient'. It has different definitions (or better said an upper definition that we all understand and a lower definition which is foundational or original in its meaning) and is today seen only as knowledge or knowing things. For this reason, whoever acquires facts and knowledge about even lies is considered to be intelligent. While this is true of the upper definition of intelligence, it is not true of the lower definition. Upper definition means the definition or meaning we all know or can see or that today is most used; that makes the upper definition of intelligence out to really be 'knowledge' or 'the acquisition of facts/ideas'. The upper definition of a word is akin to looking at the branches of a tree, the first part of a tree to catch one's attention and hold it; the lower definition of a word is akin to the roots of a tree which are below ground and which you have to dig to get to, which you don't see or remember its existence by simply looking at a tree. The lower (foundational) definition of intelligence is actually wisdom or understanding rather than knowledge; it this state or definition, intelligence isn't about knowing facts or ideas or beliefs or things which others agree to be facts or knowledge. Rather, intelligence is really the correct or right application of knowledge or understanding (which is wisdom). Because of this, even animals and babies have intelligence even before they have knowledge. I.Q. tests test for one facet of intelligence (which is the area of knowing and remembering what you have learned, heard, or seen) and do not test for other forms of intelligence, especially not the base or foundational form. So, while God has made everything with intelligence, not everything is intelligent in living life. Because communication is more than spoken or written words and language is more than consciously formed ideas in the mind, I don't see genuine unity forming among Christians when all we have are words and speech; unity and agreement (knowing and understanding what each person is saying as well as what they are meaning (sometimes two different things)) have to come in spirit to spirit relationships where there is greater communication and greater Grace. I know that's not all easily understood, but there it is.
Aren't people strange!! Almost no one here ever thinks of being together, or working for the same God, or being united in Christ, or finding common ground. They don't even think of ways to tell of God clearly and accurately. And as far as loving each other, for most posters, forget it. We have one poster who always posts out of pure love of fellow Christians and love of the Lord, she is always a delight. Others make you feel like cringing just to see the name.
It's funny because the subject you chose is actually one I've been feeling the need to address, and still will in another way. And I get what you mean, people on both sides get a little 'testy' at times. Been there done that myself too many times. It's also too easy sometimes to misinterpret someone's attempt at levity as an attack. I just find that when people start thinking they're the only one who knows something, or that can explain it, or belittleing another's understanding of God, or answering in anger, they're not on the right footing to be sharing such things. Kinda goes to the log vs speck in the eye thing.
Of course, we're missing vocal inflections and mannerisms in these written forums, which is a huge part (along with body language) in the conveyance of a message.
I think what you are saying is right for the most part. We just need to remember that honey, not vinegar, is the way to express it.
Of course, we're missing vocal inflections and mannerisms in these written forums, which is a huge part (along with body language) in the conveyance of a message.
I think what you are saying is right for the most part. We just need to remember that honey, not vinegar, is the way to express it.