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Nicodemus asked " How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?"
Both Christ and Nicodemus understood the impossibility of one being physically born a second time. Jesus is simply saying flesh begets flesh. Even if Nicodemus could be physically born a second time, that would still be flesh begetting flesh. Nicodemus had to participate in a new birth to be saved, one spiritual in nature, where spirit begets spirit. This new birth consists of both water and spirit.
I am 61 years old - I think I know what is involved in birth. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. Genesis 2:7
What is a "soul"? nephesh - soul, self, life, creature, person, living being, mind, that which breathes, the breathing substance of being, the inner being of man
I have been discussing John 3:5,6 - nothing more, nothing less. The ONE baptism . . . Eph. 4:5 I have not brought up anything about abortions or pregnancies that did not come to full term. That is not spoken of in John 3:5,6.
What is a "soul"? nephesh - soul, self, life, creature, person, living being, mind, that which breathes, the breathing substance of being, the inner being of man
I have been discussing John 3:5,6 - nothing more, nothing less. The ONE baptism . . . Eph. 4:5 I have not brought up anything about abortions or pregnancies that did not come to full term. That is not spoken of in John 3:5,6.
Yeah, and don't you think that is kind of a common sense issue here? If someone doesnt exist then why are we discussing a salvation they can never have? I do understand your viewpoint, and it makes some sense but not all. OF course we have to be born from a woman to receive salvation.
Let me ask you this. Is the human birth a form of baptism in your view?
I have to pick my son up from school soon, so if I abruptly leave that's why.
Let me ask you this. Is the human birth a form of baptism in your view?
I have to pick my son up from school soon, so if I abruptly leave that's why.
WOW . . . I have never denied that water baptism is mentioned in the NT. Did you come in late or something? There is ONE baptism - is it by water or by the holy Spirit? Does water baptism save you? Can you be born again by water baptism? Does water baptism make you a child of God? - that is basically the discussion.
That's the issue here. Many of you think that those to accept baptism think that all one has to do is be baptized. There is a process before baptism. You have to believe and accept Christ first. You have to confess that you are a sinner. Baptism comes after. When we are baptized we are being buried with Christ and being raised(from the water) as a new creature. A child of God. Our sinful life is gone. We are officially in Christ. You can't become an actual kid again, but you become a spiritual babe. A born again Christian.
This is probably a bad way to look at it this way but baptism is kind of life an initiation process. You have accepted Christ, you admit you are a sinner, but one needs to be baptized to be officially part of the body.
This is probably a bad way to look at it this way but baptism is kind of life an initiation process. You have accepted Christ, you admit you are a sinner, but one needs to be baptized to be officially part of the body.
No.
Let me ask you this - Is John 3:5,6 talking about baptism? Is baptism mentioned anywhere in John 3? Or is John 3 speaking of being born again? And when we are born again, are we born again of the Spirit? And if so, wouldn't that be being baptized in holy Spirit which would result in being born again by the Spirit becoming a part of the body of Christ? And wouldn't that involve becoming a son/daughter of God?
Let me ask you this - Is John 3:5,6 talking about baptism? Is baptism mentioned anywhere in John 3? Or is John 3 speaking of being born again? And when we are born again, are we born again of the Spirit? And if so, wouldn't that be being baptized in holy Spirit which would result in being born again by the Spirit becoming a part of the body of Christ? And wouldn't that involve becoming a son/daughter of God?
Some here are trying to make 'water' in Jn 3:5 to figuratively mean the physical birth.
When comparing Jn 3:5 to Tts 3:5 & 1 Cor 12:13, it becomes very obvious that water in Jn 3:5 has nothing to do with the physical birth but with "baptized" and "washing of regeneration".
Jn 3:6 shows the fleshly birth has nothing to do with being born again, the spiritual birth.
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I have seen many boast of it.
Imagine the poor person who had to walk a mile to be baptized (or more) or the person who Got baptized in cold water because the heater was broke. or was baptized in a river or winter. Or I was baptized in front of 1000 people. wow..
or I was baptized and you were not. look at the work I did.
There is alot of room for boasting.
of course no one can boast of being saved by the work of God. God did all the work. there is nothing to boast about. because you did not do anything. all you can do is boast of God
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"and the dust returns to the ground it came from, and the spirit returns to God who gave it." (Ecc 12:7 NIV) The spirit doesn't come from man, it comes from God. We see God breathing the breath of life into man at Gen 2:7. Where does the Bible say a parent passes on his or her spirit to their offspring?
In water baptism a spiritual birth takes place, a spiritual circumcision where God cuts away the body of sin..."In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins" A spiritual circumcision made WITHOUT HANDS takes place in water bpatism. Yet Col 2:12 says "Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God...So God does the work when one is baptized in cutting away the body of sin. Yet Col 2:12 says nothing about a baptism made without hands. So water baptism it is a physical immersion in water and then and only then a spiritual work of God takes place where God cuts away/remits sins with rising to walk in newness of life, Rom 6:4.
I have not seen anyone argue that the water literally washes away the sin. The water does nothing, it is the act of obedience is submitting to God's command to be water baptized that saves.
When Abraham did the physical work in obeying God in offering Isaac God said "for now I know that thou fearest God, seeing thou hast not withheld thy son, thine only son from me" Gen 22:12
God would not have said this if Abraham only "thought" about offering Isaac, it took the physical act of obedience.