Why do some Christians think modern crossdressing is an abomination?

[ji]

The clothes are not the real issue.

The real issue is deeper.

WHY do you want to dress, and look, intentionally like the opposite sex?

well said sir,well said....
you made it very clear,..God has given us a Spirit of Clear thinking-Holy Spirit.
Those who are not able to realize the difference,Taste and See that the Lord is Good
Know His Ways and when you walk in those ways,one realize how Lighter His disciplines are

Not for sake of debate,but this is the right answer...
God Bless.

 

[ji]

Because clothes that are tailored to one gender fit better or can look just as good on the other gender in "some" cases. My next question would be does it make men uncomfortable to see a casual, non-tacky cross dresser? Because in my experience women honestly don't seem to care - it's all about personal preference.

From the spiritual view, is it more wrong for a man to simply "see" a woman in something attractive that may cause him to have lustful thoughts, or for him to "see" a cross dresser in the same outfit? And should the woman change and cover up her dress style to accommodate the men or should the man practice self control to overcome temptation from simply seeing it?

what you are saying is completely wrong sister...
Both genders dressed up like the other's way are creating trouble for the Peace in Society...If we start dressing modestly,then How much closer God will come to us even though we try to stay away from Him because we become tired trying to reach God's Holiness with our self righteousness..

With God all things are Possible..

 

[know1]

Everyone sins, if that is a curse then everyone would be a hermaphrodite. What you are saying is a complete perversion of the scriptures.

Ma'am, that's a pretty strong statement coming from someone who didn't back it up with scripture. If you want to argue a point with me, then use scripture please.
I dare say, there's too much evidence mounted contrary to your doctrine. God hasn't change, what was sin in the OT is still sin today. God still judges and punished His children and the unbelievers for the sins they commit.

If someone is born with both sex organs there is still a genetic dominance of one gender., and as the mature the dominant gene will manifest more. The bible doesn't speak on this issue, but one would rightfully assume that God had a purpose for the individual to be of one gender or the other, and if they can have corrective surgery to fix this issue then by all means have it.

No one said anything about what is in the natural. Just because you see something in the natural world, doesn't mean that it wasn't done by a spirit.
In my opinion, too many Christians accept things as God's will and purpose, and therefore don't even bother praying against it. Any deformity is of the devil, it is not of God. The only thing that is of God is the fact that He commissioned it due to someones sin. In this case, I would put it on the parents.

 

[Kerry]

So again that is only a FEW times we are told about them. You have nothing more then that. No where in the Bible does it says that angles do not at times appear as women.

and know where in the bible does it state that an angel came as a women. show me?

 

[Kerry]

The whole thing about women wearing pants came about in about the 1500 to 1800's as these people were so close to God that a transvestite never even crossed their minds. They thought that men wore pants and women wore dresses. In fact in biblical time men didn't wear pants. I wish we were that naive and had no idea of a transvestite. The world would be a lot better off.

 

[Elizabeth619]

Ma'am, that's a pretty strong statement coming from someone who didn't back it up with scripture. If you want to argue a point with me, then use scripture please.
I dare say, there's too much evidence mounted contrary to your doctrine. God hasn't change, what was sin in the OT is still sin today. God still judges and punished His children and the unbelievers for the sins they commit.


No one said anything about what is in the natural. Just because you see something in the natural world, doesn't mean that it wasn't done by a spirit.
In my opinion, too many Christians accept things as God's will and purpose, and therefore don't even bother praying against it. Any deformity is of the devil, it is not of God. The only thing that is of God is the fact that He commissioned it due to someones sin. In this case, I would put it on the parents.

The curse you spoke of was specifically for Israel because of idolatry, and the curse was broken when they repented. (Judges 3:9, 1 Samuel 12:10-11) Repentance broke the curse. God will not curse a child of God. IF one repents then the curse is broken.

Sickness, deformities and even death are a result of sin, but that does not mean one is born with a deformity because their parents committed a specific sin. That is a very harsh assumption, and quite offensive especially since I was born with a minor birth defect(that I will not mention bc it is not about the topic). Are you saying my parents sinned when they are actually Christians and repented of their sins long before I was even conceived? Who are you to determine whether or not my parents are Christian?

 

[ji]

The whole thing about women wearing pants came about in about the 1500 to 1800's as these people were so close to God that a transvestite never even crossed their minds. They thought that men wore pants and women wore dresses. In fact in biblical time men didn't wear pants. I wish we were that naive and had no idea of a transvestite. The world would be a lot better off.

It doesn't really matter,if we literally wear traditional dresses and not Holy in our hearts..that's why Jesus hated the Sadducees and pharisees.The whole point is about wearing dress according to the times but not going according to the fashions of the time we live..
Wearing skin tight,exposing,transparent clothes are not good in anyway.It causes troubles in society,nothing else.When a person's dressing in a Good way can Bless another person's day the opposite way can discourage people too and pervert them...

 

[Sirk]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and tell you a bit of my Dads story. He was in an orphanage in the 50's where he was very emotionally abused. Whatever happened there really screwed his view of sexuality. In the late 90's he went to treatment for sex addiction. After he died I was left to take care of his things The stuff I found (tools of the trade of cross dressing I suppose) broke my heart. I took them straight to the dump and never told anyone. I found this stuff in his pickup so I know that he was actively engaged in this activity. He was back in the shameful dark place....alone in his sin with the devil telling him what a failure he was. Sexual sin can be the most devious because it is largely done in secret and there is so much shame attached to it. Consequently, this is what I see in my mind when I think of cross dressing and it makes me sad.

 

[SarahM777]

what you are saying is completely wrong sister...
Both genders dressed up like the other's way are creating trouble for the Peace in Society...If we start dressing modestly,then How much closer God will come to us even though we try to stay away from Him because we become tired trying to reach God's Holiness with our self righteousness..

With God all things are Possible..

I do believe can heal me of this if He chooses for His good purposes and plans. But again being BOTH am I wrong for wearing either male or female clothing because I am both? Being both male and female,please tell us that are dealing with this HOW we are to present ourselves in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord and also not to cause our brothers and sisters in Christ not to stumble? Somehow I don't think that was the INTENT of that law to cause those of us having to deal with that kind of distress either. How does one that is BOTH NOT break that law if that is the INTENT of that law?

 

[SarahM777]

By the way would Abraham have been condemned under the Mosaic law for trying to SACRIFICE his son? If Abraham was living today and he did what he did then,would he not be convicted of child endangerment,attempted murder,and be seen as psychotic? How about slavery? Wasn't that also acceptable under the Mosaic law and yet today we see it as sin?

 

[danalee]

I do believe can heal me of this if He chooses for His good purposes and plans. But again being BOTH am I wrong for wearing either male or female clothing because I am both? Being both male and female,please tell us that are dealing with this HOW we are to present ourselves in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord and also not to cause our brothers and sisters in Christ not to stumble? Somehow I don't think that was the INTENT of that law to cause those of us having to deal with that kind of distress either. How does one that is BOTH NOT break that law if that is the INTENT of that law?

I think there is a difference for people born with outside biology like you've experienced and some others that use cross dressing as a form of sexual expression.

Many are tied to this knowledge that men like to wear ladies panties and not just regular dress so this is where it gets very complicated.

People do know the difference. You can dress how you feel most comfortable.

Do you have issues within the church and being accepted because of your differences?

 

[SarahM777]

I think there is a difference for people born with outside biology like you've experienced and some others that use cross dressing as a form of sexual expression.

Many are tied to this knowledge that men like to wear ladies panties and not just regular dress so this is where it gets very complicated.

People do know the difference. You can dress how you feel most comfortable.

Do you have issues within the church and being accepted because of your differences?

Often times,because I don't fit the norms I am viewed as on outsider. The two times I was married none of my in laws ever accepted me. (One set was Baptist and the other CMA's) Out of all the people I have known in the churches I have been at,only three can I honestly say are my friends. (And all three of them are pastors) Out of all my relatives my mother is the only that even speaks to me at all. It often makes it hard to believe that God actually loves me,when the very people who are suppose to show the same KIND of love that He has for us,is missing.

There are men and women who dress for other reasons that are for sexual gratification,or for some other reason that is NOT Godly. Even now a days there are males prostitutes that dress as women. (That's nothing new) That puts the onus on us to have God search our hearts as to what is in our hearts as to the why. The one thing that NO human can ever judge is the motives of our hearts,we can't even judge the motives of our own hearts right. It is one thing when it is very black and white to say something is right or wrong as opposed to those things that we may THINK is right or wrong but is within the freedoms that God has given us as individuals. IE Christian rock is of the devil,long hair on a man is of the devil, etc etc etc.

The whole thing ALWAYS comes down to what is in the heart.

 

[dcontroversal]

Does not the bible teach that women are to dress modestly like a woman and men are to dress like man? Just asking that is......

 

[cipher]

Does not the bible teach that women are to dress modestly like a woman and men are to dress like man? Just asking that is......

What exactly is dressing like a man?

 

[AgeofKnowledge]

What does the Bible say about cross-dressing / transvestism?

Does not the bible teach that women are to dress modestly like a woman and men are to dress like man? Just asking that is......

 

[ji]

I do believe can heal me of this if He chooses for His good purposes and plans. But again being BOTH am I wrong for wearing either male or female clothing because I am both? Being both male and female,please tell us that are dealing with this HOW we are to present ourselves in a manner that is pleasing to the Lord and also not to cause our brothers and sisters in Christ not to stumble? Somehow I don't think that was the INTENT of that law to cause those of us having to deal with that kind of distress either. How does one that is BOTH NOT break that law if that is the INTENT of that law?

Good question
i understand what you are saying...
what do you see as yourself in God? a child or rebel...?(rebelling leads to chastisement,i have been there due to various reasons as an arrogant young man in the past)
if you are a child of God just give your petitions and doubts to God...
God brings solutions...Since you stand in a state that is crucial and as you live in a immature society like we live in,Love of God must be there first in your life..
Then lean to which gender you are more comfortable and dress modestly(accordingly)...still there should be control..

Only Jesus feels your heart clearly dear..
God will give you answers,He is the Living God..He can give you the Unique answer that will Bless your Heart.
Thanks for asking it,dear...u really made me think there...
Love you as you are in Christ,your fellow brother in Christ.
It doesn't matter your gender,we are all His Children...And He guides us...
God is Love..

Note: try getting into knowing modest dressing styles of people who face situations like this and are Christians in internet,outside too..Ask to God above all,He will lead to Good Company that will help you..He will Strengthen and satisfy you..we all need Him.

 

[know1]

The curse you spoke of was specifically for Israel because of idolatry, and the curse was broken when they repented. (Judges 3:9, 1 Samuel 12:10-11) Repentance broke the curse. God will not curse a child of God. IF one repents then the curse is broken.

Deu 28:15 But it shall come to pass, if thou wilt not hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to observe to do all his commandments and his statutes which I command thee this day; that all these curses shall come upon thee, and overtake thee:
Deu 28:18 Cursed shall be the fruit of thy body, and the fruit of thy land, the increase of thy kine, and the flocks of thy sheep.
If you don't call inflicting a child or a child of God with a sickness or even killing them, a curse, then I disagree with you ma'am. We are commanded to walk in love and to love God, and when we fail to obey His commands, like you said below, "Sickness, deformities and even death" are the results.

Sickness, deformities and even death are a result of sin, but that does not mean one is born with a deformity because their parents committed a specific sin. That is a very harsh assumption, and quite offensive especially since I was born with a minor birth defect(that I will not mention bc it is not about the topic). Are you saying my parents sinned when they are actually Christians and repented of their sins long before I was even conceived? Who are you to determine whether or not my parents are Christian?

First, I never mentioned anything about your parents', or anyone else's, salvation. Salvation has nothing to do with the sins committed after one is born again. Except they repent and confess that sin, and pray in faith against the curse that came as a result of that sin.
Gal 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap.
Gal 6:8 For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting.
God is no respecter of persons, child of God or not. If you sow to the flesh, you will reap the curse of that sin. That's what I see when I read the above verses.
Second, you said yourself, "Sickness, deformities and even death are a result of sin". A newborn child has not had the time nor the capacity to sin, so the curse of a deformity on that child could not be a result of the child's sin, so it must be of the parents.
You may have taken offense at what I said, of which I hope you let go and forgive, so God doesn't curse you as in Matt 18:34 and 35.
Mat 18:34 And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all that was due unto him.
Mat 18:35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
The fact is, sometimes, the truth hurts, if in fact it is the truth. Are you telling me that I shouldn't say what I see in God's word because it offends you? Do you think telling a sinner that his sins will send him or her to hell, wouldn't be offensive to them? It is not my intent to offend anyone unless I see them attacking an innocent party or just being wicked or deceitful themselves. At the same time, I'm not going to keep silent because I offend someone. Would you say the gospel or truth of God's word is offensive to the wicked? And yet we are commanded to preach the gospel to everyone.

 

[ji]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and tell you a bit of my Dads story. He was in an orphanage in the 50's where he was very emotionally abused. Whatever happened there really screwed his view of sexuality. In the late 90's he went to treatment for sex addiction. After he died I was left to take care of his things The stuff I found (tools of the trade of cross dressing I suppose) broke my heart. I took them straight to the dump and never told anyone. I found this stuff in his pickup so I know that he was actively engaged in this activity. He was back in the shameful dark place....alone in his sin with the devil telling him what a failure he was. Sexual sin can be the most devious because it is largely done in secret and there is so much shame attached to it. Consequently, this is what I see in my mind when I think of cross dressing and it makes me sad.

all because Christians are not ready to become Christ's hands and feet..

 

[know1]

Often times,because I don't fit the norms I am viewed as on outsider. The two times I was married none of my in laws ever accepted me. (One set was Baptist and the other CMA's) Out of all the people I have known in the churches I have been at,only three can I honestly say are my friends. (And all three of them are pastors) Out of all my relatives my mother is the only that even speaks to me at all. It often makes it hard to believe that God actually loves me,when the very people who are suppose to show the same KIND of love that He has for us,is missing.

Though I don't know you, or your doctrine, we probably even disagree on most things, you touched my heart and caused me to hurt for you with your short history of experiences dealing with Christians. I am so sorry for all the pain and confusion Christians have caused you. We all fail to walk in love at times, don't we? But some of us just get more of their fair share of people not walking in love, than others. God never stopped loving you ma'am.

 

[Cobus]

1Ti_2:9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
1Co_11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?
Deu_22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

I think MODEST apparel for women is not to show shape or skin. And that should cover justabout everything God gave her for the husbands pleasure.... And nowhere did Jesus rebuke and woman for bad dressing so if we can only find out how the women clothed themselves in Israel back when Jesus was here we will have a perfect God-like fashion....

Good thought is it not? Just look how the most women dressed then and wear the same.