Does water baptism save us

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The sacrifice of Christ was universal....He died for the sins of the world. However, there is NO salvation without trusting in Christ's finished work on the cross.

Yes, you do twist Scripture when you attempt to "prove" that the water of a baptismal font will save a person's soul from the devil's hell.
Tell me, what does this mean to you? :

 Matthew 28:20 (NKJV)
[SUP]20 [/SUP]teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.
Apparently it means nothing, she's too busy trying to figure out a way to completely remove water baptism from Holy Writ.
 
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Apparently it means nothing, she's too busy trying to figure out a way to completely remove water baptism from Holy Writ.
Apparently you folks are too busy "watering down" (or shall we say "dumbing down") the Gospel and the blood of Jesus. Are you folks trying to put out some "fires"?

You make the Gospel and the blood of Jesus "powerless" to save.
 
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Apparently you folks are too busy "watering down" (or shall we say "dumbing down") the Gospel and the blood of Jesus. Are you folks trying to put out some "fires"?

You make the Gospel and the blood of Jesus "powerless" to save.
i think "you people" need to spend less time listening to denominational preachers and televangelists and more time studying God's word.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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i think "you people" need to spend less time listening to denominational preachers and televangelists and more time studying God's word.

no, that would be you. You no better than the pharisees. Placing the work of priests over the work of God
 
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i think "you people" need to spend less time listening to denominational preachers and televangelists and more time studying God's word.
I have no TV to watch televangelists...so that would be your own false assumption. Sounds like you have been listening to denominational preachers (the Church of Christ type) more than I have. I listen to biblical preaching...not what you call "denominational" preachers about 2 times a week. The rest of my time is spent studying God's Word and sharing the Gospel.
 
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Apparently you folks are too busy "watering down" (or shall we say "dumbing down") the Gospel and the blood of Jesus. Are you folks trying to put out some "fires"?

You make the Gospel and the blood of Jesus "powerless" to save.
Amazing. In spite of the fact that there have been literally hundreds of posts on the subject, you still do not have a clue as to what we really believe and teach.
 
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I have no TV to watch televangelists...so that would be your own false assumption. Sounds like you have been listening to denominational preachers (the Church of Christ type) more than I have. I listen to biblical preaching...not what you call "denominational" preachers about 2 times a week. The rest of my time is spent studying God's Word and sharing the Gospel.
In addition, watching TV televangelists is a waste of time.
 

Jabberjaw

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How about quoting the two verses preceding 20....18 & 19?

Matthew 28:18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Matthew 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Matthew 28:20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

The Great Commission involves two major tasks: Evangelism and discipleship.

The Gospel is to be proclaimed to every person; those who believe on Christ are to be baptized and trained. The Great Commission is to be fulfilled by the churches and is to result in the multiplication of churches as we see in the New Testament pattern as seen in the book of Acts.

Verse 20 alone does not teach that we are saved by being water baptized. Water (believer's) baptism is one of the two ordinances of the Church....the other one being the Lord's Supper. It is done AFTER a person BELIEVES demonstrating that person's identity with Christ in His death, burial, and resurrection...NOT FOR salvation, but BECAUSE OF salvation. You twist the Scriptures and put the cart before the horse ....and this gives people a false assurance of salvation and sends those people to the devil's hell and ultimately to spend eternity in the lake of fire!
Okay, for how many times now? its been so many I forget?, Ill go over it again,

John the Baptizer tells us Jesus is the ONLY one who can baptize with the Holy Spirit :

Matthew 3:11 (NKJV)
[SUP]11 [/SUP]I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance, but He who is coming after me is mightier than I, whose sandals I am not worthy to carry. He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit and fire.

Now since Jesus is the only one that can baptize with the Holy Spirit, and John as well as all Christs disciples can baptize with water, as we see where Jesus commissioned it (as you quoted, what I quoted, how many times now) :

Matthew 28:19-20 (NKJV) [SUP]19 [/SUP] Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, [SUP]20 [/SUP] teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age." Amen.

I know you like leaving the "baptizing" part out, but sorry we cannot, it is what Jesus told the disciples to do, He told them to "make disciples in all nations, BAPTIZING THEM",

Now note closely Jesus did not say "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, I will baptize them"

It is the disciples that are to baptize, not Jesus, the disciples can only baptize (like John the baptizer) with water.

Peter affirms that water baptism is the one salvific baptism of Eph 4:5 when he tells us that like in the days of Noah, like how water washed the world of sin, there is now an antitype (an antitype is like your face in a mirror, the same but opposite) he said there is now an antitype, now water washes our sins, and so you wont get confused thinking this is a washing like a bath, Peter emphasizes (not the removal of the filth of the flesh),

1 Peter 3:20-21 (NKJV) [SUP]20 [/SUP] who formerly were disobedient, when once the Divine longsuffering waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water. [SUP]21 [/SUP] There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ,

Even with Peter and the emphases that this is not just getting wet but a spiritual representation of the death, burial and resurrection of our Lord, putting you "into Christ", spiritually putting you in contact with the cleansing blood of Christ...

and you still don't get it (actually you all get it, but you have to reject it because you have to toss your baptist manuals, confessions of faith, or what ever man made doctrine you follow besides the bible)
 

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If water baptism were able to save us, then Jesus Christ died in vain.
I read this really fast without my glasses...
and I thought you said Jesus died "in a van".

I'm thinking... "we'll, that's a whole unique heresy I've NEVER heard of before."

: )
 

Jabberjaw

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If water baptism were able to save us, then Jesus Christ died in vain.
If Christ didn't die, baptism would not wash away sins :

 Acts 22:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'
 
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Water Baptism does not wash away sins... only the blood of Jesus can do that.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
 

Jabberjaw

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Water Baptism does not wash away sins... only the blood of Jesus can do that.

1 John 1:7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
so Luke lied when he recorded what Paul was told by Ananias what to do?

Acts 22:16 (NKJV)
[SUP]16 [/SUP]And now why are you waiting? Arise and be baptized, and wash away your sins, calling on the name of the Lord.'

No, he did not lie, but notice, water baptism washes away sins (Acts 22:16) and the Blood of Christ washes away sins (Rev 1:5) so then, there are either two ways to wash away sins (which there is not) or these are spiritually the same, Paul said :

Romans 6:3-4 (NKJV)
[SUP]3 [/SUP]Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? [SUP]4 [/SUP]Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Paul said "buried with Him through baptism into death"

The burial in water is where the spiritual contact with his cleansing blood washing away your sins happens, and as Paul said "that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life",

That is regeneration, the spiritual rebirth of John 3:5 putting you into the kingdom of God.
 
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I won't stoop to your level by even responding to that.

I see, It is ok for you to attack. But not ok for someone to respond in kind.

You can give it out but you can;t take it?
 
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I see, It is ok for you to attack. But not ok for someone to respond in kind.

You can give it out but you can;t take it?

Nothing wrong with attacking. I'm talking about name-calling.
 
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Baptism is a figure, a symbol, a picture. Baptism is not a part of salvation; it is symbolic of salvation. We are saved, not by water going over our bodies, but by faith in the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If you believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation, think again.

1 Peter 3:21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

Water baptism has never saved a soul. It is the blood of Jesus Christ that saves.

1 Peter 1:18 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
1 Peter 1:19 But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:

There is no redemption or remission of sin in water baptism.

It seems you disagree with the apostle Peter, how come?
 
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Night_Owl,

Baptismal regeneration is a false doctrine and that is what you are teaching. Since you posted your entire post in one huge block w/o any breaks, it was difficult for me to follow. But what I did see is that you are trying really hard to push the Oneness Pentecostal (Jesus Only Acts 2:38) doctrine. Tell me, do you also have to come up out of the water "speaking in tongues" in order to be saved?
Actually Linda, baptismal regeneration is not a false doctrine. It was the teaching of the Christian church from the very beginning. It's only modern teaching that says baptism has nothing to do with salvation.