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Romans 14:4Who are you to judge the servant of another? To his own master he stands or falls; and he will stand, for the Lord is able to make him stand. 5One person regards one day above another, another regards every day alike. Each person must be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who observes the day, observes it for the Lord, and he who eats, does so for the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who eats not, for the Lord he does not eat, and gives thanks to God.…
21It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. 22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
21It is good not to eat meat or to drink wine, or to do anything by which your brother stumbles. 22The faith which you have, have as your own conviction before God. Happy is he who does not condemn himself in what he approves. 23But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.
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Acts 15:7) And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 .) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 .) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 .) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 .) But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
Acts 15:7) And when there had been much disputing, Peter rose up, and said unto them, Men and brethren, ye know how that a good while ago God made choice among us, that the Gentiles by my mouth should hear the word of the gospel, and believe.
8 .) And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us;
9 .) And put no difference between us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.
10 .) Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
11 .) But we believe that through the grace of the LORD Jesus Christ we shall be saved, even as they.
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ignorance is not sin.
A person is only responsible for what they are given.
A mentally handicapped person is going to be ignorant of more things than a genius,
yet the genius could be corrupt, and the handicapped person could be righteous.
The issue is internal rebellion against what we think is right, and doing what we think is wrong.
A person is only responsible for what they are given.
A mentally handicapped person is going to be ignorant of more things than a genius,
yet the genius could be corrupt, and the handicapped person could be righteous.
The issue is internal rebellion against what we think is right, and doing what we think is wrong.
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You are not keeping with the post you are off on your own thinking and trying to use scripture to prove its ok to be ignorant I guess ignorance is a tool often used by the enemy in all you getting get understanding. Understanding stops ignorance in its tracks. Just a thought
Leviticus 4:2 | Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
Leviticus 4:13 | And if the whole congregation of Israel sin through ignorance, and the thing be hid from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which should not be done, and are guilty;
Leviticus 4:22 | When a ruler hath sinned, and done somewhat through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD his God concerning things which should not be done, and is guilty;
Leviticus 4:27 | And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;
Leviticus 5:15 | If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the LORD; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering:
Leviticus 5:18 | And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.
Numbers 15:24 | Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering.
Numbers 15:25 | And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:
Numbers 15:26 And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.
Numbers 15:27 | And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
Numbers 15:28 | And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
Numbers 15:29 | Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
Acts 3:17 | And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
Acts 17:30 | And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Ephesians 4:18 | Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
1 Peter 1:14 | As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1 Peter 2:15 | For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
s. I'm not clear so ill share this
Leviticus 4:2 | Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If a soul shall sin through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and shall do against any of them:
Leviticus 4:13 | And if the whole congregation of Israel sin through ignorance, and the thing be hid from the eyes of the assembly, and they have done somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which should not be done, and are guilty;
Leviticus 4:22 | When a ruler hath sinned, and done somewhat through ignorance against any of the commandments of the LORD his God concerning things which should not be done, and is guilty;
Leviticus 4:27 | And if any one of the common people sin through ignorance, while he doeth somewhat against any of the commandments of the LORD concerning things which ought not to be done, and be guilty;
Leviticus 5:15 | If a soul commit a trespass, and sin through ignorance, in the holy things of the LORD; then he shall bring for his trespass unto the LORD a ram without blemish out of the flocks, with thy estimation by shekels of silver, after the shekel of the sanctuary, for a trespass offering:
Leviticus 5:18 | And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.
Numbers 15:24 | Then it shall be, if ought be committed by ignorance without the knowledge of the congregation, that all the congregation shall offer one young bullock for a burnt offering, for a sweet savour unto the LORD, with his meat offering, and his drink offering, according to the manner, and one kid of the goats for a sin offering.
Numbers 15:25 | And the priest shall make an atonement for all the congregation of the children of Israel, and it shall be forgiven them; for it is ignorance: and they shall bring their offering, a sacrifice made by fire unto the LORD, and their sin offering before the LORD, for their ignorance:
Numbers 15:26 And it shall be forgiven all the congregation of the children of Israel, and the stranger that sojourneth among them; seeing all the people were in ignorance.
Numbers 15:27 | And if any soul sin through ignorance, then he shall bring a she goat of the first year for a sin offering.
Numbers 15:28 | And the priest shall make an atonement for the soul that sinneth ignorantly, when he sinneth by ignorance before the LORD, to make an atonement for him; and it shall be forgiven him.
Numbers 15:29 | Ye shall have one law for him that sinneth through ignorance, both for him that is born among the children of Israel, and for the stranger that sojourneth among them.
Acts 3:17 | And now, brethren, I wot that through ignorance ye did it, as did also your rulers.
Acts 17:30 | And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
Ephesians 4:18 | Having the understanding darkened, being alienated from the life of God through the ignorance that is in them, because of the blindness of their heart:
1 Peter 1:14 | As obedient children, not fashioning yourselves according to the former lusts in your ignorance:
1 Peter 2:15 | For so is the will of God, that with well doing ye may put to silence the ignorance of foolish men:
s. I'm not clear so ill share this
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to some extent, yes.
Sometimes people do more harm when they're 'shedding light on false teaching', because their focus is on doctrine, and not on Christ.
God uses even the 'false doctrines' sometimes to bring people to Himself. I've met many who began going to Prosperity Doctrine churches, but came away after reading the Scriptures for themselves.
God convicts the heart. Our job is to show His love, and point seekers to the Word....
not try to purify the Church... God is the Gardener who will prune, not us.
Let God separate the wheat from the tares on the Last Day.
Sometimes people do more harm when they're 'shedding light on false teaching', because their focus is on doctrine, and not on Christ.
God uses even the 'false doctrines' sometimes to bring people to Himself. I've met many who began going to Prosperity Doctrine churches, but came away after reading the Scriptures for themselves.
God convicts the heart. Our job is to show His love, and point seekers to the Word....
not try to purify the Church... God is the Gardener who will prune, not us.
Let God separate the wheat from the tares on the Last Day.
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that is correct but he also wants us not to be ignorant of the devices of the enemy and they are many. Love is not what some people like to equate it to be, Love has discipline sternness correction chastisements its not all gooey emotional feely feely as some like to think it also has compassion and kindness and in the truth is all that The harm is in not doing it or trying to soften the blow that truth brings. The focus should always be God I know sometimes people tend to get of track but that is why we are a body ministry!
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Romans 1:13 NowI would not have you ignorant, brethren, that often times I purposed to come unto you, (but was let hitherto,) that I might have some fruit among you also,even as among other Gentiles.
Romans 10:3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establishtheir own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest yeshould be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, Iwould not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under thecloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, Iwould not have you ignorant.
1Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
2Corinthians 1:8 For we would not,brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even oflife:
2Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get anadvantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which haveno hope.
1 Timothy1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but Iobtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Hebrews 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also iscompassed with infirmity.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of thewater and in the water:
Romans 10:3For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establishtheir own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Romans 11:25For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest yeshould be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
1Corinthians 10:1 Moreover, brethren, Iwould not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under thecloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Corinthians 12:1 Now concerning spiritual gifts, brethren, Iwould not have you ignorant.
1Corinthians 14:38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
2Corinthians 1:8 For we would not,brethren, have you ignorant of our trouble which came to us in Asia, that we were pressed out of measure, above strength, insomuch that we despaired even oflife:
2Corinthians 2:11 Lest Satan should get anadvantage of us: for we are not ignorant of his devices.
1Thessalonians 4:13 But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren,concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which haveno hope.
1 Timothy1:13 Who was before a blasphemer, and a persecutor, and injurious: but Iobtained mercy, because I did it ignorantly in unbelief.
Hebrews 5:2 Who can have compassion on the ignorant, and on them that are out of the way; for that he himself also iscompassed with infirmity.
2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of thewater and in the water:
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you are getting confused with the word "ignorance" and "ignorant", and not realizing how many diferent ways these words are used.
Being ignorant of God's righteousness means that the person is not saved.
Being 'in ignorance', is being unsaved.
Doing something out of ignorance is entirely different.
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I think we agree, but have differing opinions on which side is more focal.
I agree that love can involve discipline, and can be stern,
but I also think that there needs to be some of the 'feely' emotions involved, or else it's not really love, but self-righteousness.
Even in rebuke, it is to be done in love, and not harshly. Love is much more than just discipline.
God disciplines His children out of love,
but are we the the fathers, or are we the children.
Sometimes it is best to let the Father do the rebuke and discipline, so that the planks in our eyes don't get in the way.
Being ignorant of God's righteousness means that the person is not saved.
Being 'in ignorance', is being unsaved.
Doing something out of ignorance is entirely different.
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I think we agree, but have differing opinions on which side is more focal.
I agree that love can involve discipline, and can be stern,
but I also think that there needs to be some of the 'feely' emotions involved, or else it's not really love, but self-righteousness.
Even in rebuke, it is to be done in love, and not harshly. Love is much more than just discipline.
God disciplines His children out of love,
but are we the the fathers, or are we the children.
Sometimes it is best to let the Father do the rebuke and discipline, so that the planks in our eyes don't get in the way.
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We need to spend more time walking in the light and when we do, the things of darkness, which are many, will be revealed for what they are. We should be steadfast on the truth and allow the light that comes from it to penetrate where it needs to go in the heart of man. Yes, the word of God is given for correction and reproof but is also given for doctrine and to instruct us in the ways of righteousness and there is a time when we expose the unfruitful works of darkness.
Willful ignorance is unbelief and is only overcome by the light and the love of God through Jesus Christ. Exposing others has become a fad these days and people love to do it, especially the world as they continually invade the privacy of others and make it fodder for the gossip mongers and for others to sit in judgment. We need to stay away from having this need to continually expose people and rather build up with edification in the truth letting the chips fall where they may so that God can convict the heart His way to bring about the right fruit. Exposing others or chastising others with words through a reactionary spirit is not of God and never will produce a peaceable fruit of righteousness.
Willful ignorance is unbelief and is only overcome by the light and the love of God through Jesus Christ. Exposing others has become a fad these days and people love to do it, especially the world as they continually invade the privacy of others and make it fodder for the gossip mongers and for others to sit in judgment. We need to stay away from having this need to continually expose people and rather build up with edification in the truth letting the chips fall where they may so that God can convict the heart His way to bring about the right fruit. Exposing others or chastising others with words through a reactionary spirit is not of God and never will produce a peaceable fruit of righteousness.
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They are brothers brother. I'm making a very clear point you cant be ignorant without ignorance and some ignorance is willful. That's my point. I'm not getting confused at all, I'm very clear on this point no sin no sinner no ignorance no ignorant or via versa. And sometimes the father sends words to them who have a ear and will hear what the Spirit has to say. This is not about rebuke or being nice or any of that its very simple some Christians are willfully ignorant that is a solid and biblical point
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Very good points and very well seasoned but let us not get away form the op. Willful ignorance is rampant. No name calling no chastisement none of that simply we must know that many choose to be ignorant for what ever the reason be it ignorance pride inability to comprehend many reasons. I am focused on the willful aspect and the dangers that presents even on this site.
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I wont let you embarrass yourself you made some very good points but I am talking about many who make a choice to be ignorant. Not being ignorant by default it is this ignorant thinking that keeps them in willful ignorance specifically to what Gods word says not just general ignorance
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ignorance -WOW!
I think each of us could definitely educate each other about some things better left unsaid.
I don't think ignorance in itself is a sin, but it's the knowing when you are doing something ignorant and going ahead
with your plan anyway that is a sin, especially if it hurts someone in any way.
even when in jest I have learned the hard way, if I did something in ignorance or willingly , some kind of suffering
came with it.
I could fill volumes of books concerning my past ignorances (not that I'm ignorant/free now), but l am definitely
a new child in Christ and loving/pleasing/obeying Him first is now my whole priority, my reason for living, as well as my husbands.
when our Lord decided it was time for me to make the transition from the world's reality and come into His,
I began to realize that the heartfelt repentance that He required me to go through had always been one of the
many burdens that He wanted to set me free from. the Love that grew inside of me for Him from this gift has made
such a great difference in who I am now.
but alas, like most of us, I eventually had to realize and learn of the many ways satan rules this world first.
I think each of us could definitely educate each other about some things better left unsaid.
I don't think ignorance in itself is a sin, but it's the knowing when you are doing something ignorant and going ahead
with your plan anyway that is a sin, especially if it hurts someone in any way.
even when in jest I have learned the hard way, if I did something in ignorance or willingly , some kind of suffering
came with it.
I could fill volumes of books concerning my past ignorances (not that I'm ignorant/free now), but l am definitely
a new child in Christ and loving/pleasing/obeying Him first is now my whole priority, my reason for living, as well as my husbands.
when our Lord decided it was time for me to make the transition from the world's reality and come into His,
I began to realize that the heartfelt repentance that He required me to go through had always been one of the
many burdens that He wanted to set me free from. the Love that grew inside of me for Him from this gift has made
such a great difference in who I am now.
but alas, like most of us, I eventually had to realize and learn of the many ways satan rules this world first.
remember the good Samaritan, his religion was ignorance knowing the truth. But good deeds towards others always win over the doctrines.
Be Careful to what your religious organization is teaching you.
They put so much importance or meaningfulness on their own doctrines as a religious fence to separate with other religious organizations.
They're always saying that their doctrines are on the basis of the bible, God's words.
True,,, they quote them from the bible, as so many sects of 1st century's Judaism did.
They used the bible verses,,,,
but,,, they extended a pinch of the meaning of the bible verse with their own interpretation.
And after that they put their own powers on their own interpretations to the point of the death penalty.
Blessed are all nations, the descendants of Abraham, who is the a father of believers, because Jesus judged them sheeplike according to the good deed towards his brothers, not according to the on the basis of right or wrong religious doctrines.
So,,, those who are in the each seven lamp-stands (sects of all churches, all Christianity) Be victorious in your church,,
We all have been taught by the leaders of each church, by their own interpretations,, hating each other on base of our own leader's choice of their own interpretations. Even more,, we killed each others with so called "knowledges or truth" like worldly people,,i mean we are more ignorance, savager than the worldly people who do not believe God.
we, the followers of the ours leader's choice, are installed leaders murdering mind, hating brothers who love same Jesus.
Let me ask you who're so proud having faith in God.
How much, how well do you know about God, to hate, to kill the believer having different opinionon Jesus, and God.
Are your good-deeds to your neighbors better than this believer you condemned with your church leader's interpretation?
Can your so highly pop up condemning others be proved by God?
Who gave you this killing authority(hating brothers) ?
Does not this come from your church or your religious organization?
Do you think that the God and Jesus also obey your church's leader's interpretations?
"be victorious..." in your church, all the descendent of Abraham.
Be Careful to what your religious organization is teaching you.
They put so much importance or meaningfulness on their own doctrines as a religious fence to separate with other religious organizations.
They're always saying that their doctrines are on the basis of the bible, God's words.
True,,, they quote them from the bible, as so many sects of 1st century's Judaism did.
They used the bible verses,,,,
but,,, they extended a pinch of the meaning of the bible verse with their own interpretation.
And after that they put their own powers on their own interpretations to the point of the death penalty.
Blessed are all nations, the descendants of Abraham, who is the a father of believers, because Jesus judged them sheeplike according to the good deed towards his brothers, not according to the on the basis of right or wrong religious doctrines.
So,,, those who are in the each seven lamp-stands (sects of all churches, all Christianity) Be victorious in your church,,
We all have been taught by the leaders of each church, by their own interpretations,, hating each other on base of our own leader's choice of their own interpretations. Even more,, we killed each others with so called "knowledges or truth" like worldly people,,i mean we are more ignorance, savager than the worldly people who do not believe God.
we, the followers of the ours leader's choice, are installed leaders murdering mind, hating brothers who love same Jesus.
Let me ask you who're so proud having faith in God.
How much, how well do you know about God, to hate, to kill the believer having different opinionon Jesus, and God.
Are your good-deeds to your neighbors better than this believer you condemned with your church leader's interpretation?
Can your so highly pop up condemning others be proved by God?
Who gave you this killing authority(hating brothers) ?
Does not this come from your church or your religious organization?
Do you think that the God and Jesus also obey your church's leader's interpretations?
"be victorious..." in your church, all the descendent of Abraham.
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