Logic vs The Bible
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That doesn't imply I am more reasonable than you. I have moments I can be unreasonable as well. This is a moment you are being unreasonable.
Let me ask you this, how can we learn about good if bad doesn't exist?
Good and bad do exist. Why would I I focus my thoughts on what is bad? Then it becomes a matter of garbage in garbage out.
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MidniteWelder
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Let me ask you this, how can we learn about good if bad doesn't exist?
Romans 6
1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2. Certainly Not!
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Holiness comes when you think Gods thoughts after Him. The bible is a collection of His thoughts and His heart.
Good and bad do exist. Why would I I focus my thoughts on what is bad? Then it becomes a matter of garbage in garbage out.
That doesn't answer the question in a meaningful manner. Could we know good if we didn't know bad?
Romans 6
1. What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2. Certainly Not!
I'm not saying to embrace bad things.... I will say that we need to accept who we are though and realize we do bad things and need to learn from our experiences.
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It would be of no consequence because there would only be good. That's what the garden was.... It was good. It just was....it was direct communion with God without any barriers.That doesn't answer the question in a meaningful manner. Could we know good if we didn't know bad?
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MidniteWelder
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That doesn't answer the question in a meaningful manner. Could we know good if we didn't know bad?
Must you first taste something bad before you know something tastes good.
Or can you just know something Good without ever tasting of bad fruit
Must you first taste something bad before you know something tastes good.
Or can you just know something Good without ever tasting of bad fruit
Sure, but that would be a subjective opinion not an objective opinion. Everything God does is objective in nature not subjective so your analogy is moot.
It would be of no consequence because there would only be good. That's what the garden was.... It was good. It just was....it was direct communion with God without any barriers.
Until it wasn't... You still seem to be avoiding the question.
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MidniteWelder
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I'm not saying to embrace bad things.... I will say that we need to accept who we are though and realize we do bad things and need to learn from our experiences.
We can realize our sin but we don't have to accept it
We can realize the desires of the flesh but we don't have to give in to a desire and give birth to committing the sin a thought first ignited.
And one does not have to make mistakes in order to learn or gain wisdom.
This would be the least desirable way when there is a more noble method.
We can realize our sin but we don't have to accept it
We can realize the desires of the flesh but we don't have to give in to a desire and give birth to committing the sin a thought first ignited.
And one does not have to make mistakes in order to learn or gain wisdom.
This would be the least desirable way when there is a more noble method.
Explain, what was learned without mistakes here on Earth?
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MidniteWelder
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Psalm 111:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth forever.”
When God told Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil...that meant to not feed ones mind with the knowledge of the difference between the two...but only feed oneself with the knowledge and words of the Lord.
They didn't have to make the mistake to realize God meant what he said.
Yet they still knowingly did what they ought not do.
They may have learned from a mistake...but it is more noble to simply listen to the instruction of the Lord.
James 4:17
If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.
When God told Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil...that meant to not feed ones mind with the knowledge of the difference between the two...but only feed oneself with the knowledge and words of the Lord.
They didn't have to make the mistake to realize God meant what he said.
Yet they still knowingly did what they ought not do.
They may have learned from a mistake...but it is more noble to simply listen to the instruction of the Lord.
James 4:17
If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.
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Until it wasn't... You still seem to be avoiding the question.
We know there was bad. Satan had fallen and had pridefully exalted himself. Adam and Eve were living in a place with one rule. Don't eat that tree because it will be bad for you. When Eve was tempted the bible indicates that Adam was standing right there. Two things happened in that moment..Eve nurtured mistrust of God in her heart....she doubted that God knew what he was taking about and instead of seeking him she ate. Adam, assumingly standing right there, essentially homer simpsoned his way right into sin and death by being passive about it and not leading his wife. Heck, for all I know he was working in his NCAA tournament bracket.
So essentially Adam was passive and let Eve take the lead and Eve thought there was a better way than God= knowledge of good and evil. Evil existed...Adam and Eve had no idea until they thought better than God. Just like satan satan decided he was better than God
We know there was bad. Satan had fallen and had pridefully exalted himself. Adam and Eve were living in a place with one rule. Don't eat that tree because it will be bad for you. When Eve was tempted the bible indicates that Adam was standing right there. Two things happened in that moment..Eve nurtured mistrust of God in her heart....she doubted that God knew what he was taking about and instead of seeking him she ate. Adam, assumingly standing right there, essentially homer simpsoned his way right into sin and death by being passive about it and not leading his wife. Heck, for all I know he was working in his NCAA tournament bracket.
So essentially Adam was passive and let Eve take the lead and Eve thought there was a better way than God= knowledge of good and evil. Evil existed...Adam and Eve had no idea until they thought better than God. Just like satan satan decided he was better than God
If you put a curious 2 year old in a room made of bread with a plate of chocolate in the middle of the room, do you really intend for the child to not eat the chocolate as you told them to not do?
Psalm 111:10 “The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth forever.”
When God told Adam and Eve to not eat of the tree of knowledge of good and evil...that meant to not feed ones mind with the knowledge of the difference between the two...but only feed oneself with the knowledge and words of the Lord.
They didn't have to make the mistake to realize God meant what he said.
Yet they still knowingly did what they ought not do.
They may have learned from a mistake...but it is more noble to simply listen to the instruction of the Lord.
James 4:17
If anyone, then, knows the good they ought to do and doesn't do it, it is sin for them.
God knew they would eat it... It was his intention or it wouldn't have happened. Or God is imperfect.
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Sirk
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If you put a curious 2 year old in a room made of bread with a plate of chocolate in the middle of the room, do you really intend for the child to not eat the chocolate as you told them to not do?
Madam and Eve were fully formed. A child's brain doesn't have the ability to reason. Apples to oranges.
Madam and Eve were fully formed. A child's brain doesn't have the ability to reason. Apples to oranges.
How do you know???
If you put a curious 2 year old in a room made of bread with a plate of chocolate in the middle of the room, do you really intend for the child to not eat the chocolate as you told them to not do?
A more fitting analogy would be putting a child in a room of bread with poison in the middle, telling the child not to eat the poison for the reason that they shall die, then a dragon tricks the child to eat the poison using 3 lies and thence afterwards everything in the room and the room itself begins to die.
A more fitting analogy would be putting a child in a room of bread with poison in the middle, telling the child not to eat the poison for the reason that they shall die, then a dragon tricks the child to eat the poison using 3 lies and thence afterwards everything in the room and the room itself begins to die.
If it wasn't intended God is imperfect.