Does water baptism save us

[posthuman]

What do you supposed Jesus expected them to baptize people in?

i think a better question:

what do you suppose we need to be baptized into?

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
(Galatians 3:22-27)

who do i make my thank-you card out to?
what am i justified by?
what or who should i be glorifying and extolling with every post in every thread?

 

[posthuman]

if baptism is just a public testimony why don't Christians get baptized in public? They get baptized in churches among other Christians, not in public.

in front of the congregation isn't "before men" ?

as far as why it isn't nationally broadcast on TV or live-streamed on youtube, well, i think that's a ratings thing. i bet if you could get advertisers on board, the networks would follow.
let me know if you want me to sign a petition to some soap company. i'll be happy to lend my support for "truly public" baptism.

 

[Butch5]

i think a better question:

what do you suppose we need to be baptized into?

But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
(Galatians 3:22-27)

who do i make my thank-you card out to?
what am i justified by?
what or who should i be glorifying and extolling with every post in every thread?

Yeah? I don't know what you're getting at.

 

[Butch5]

in front of the congregation isn't "before men" ?

as far as why it isn't nationally broadcast on TV or live-streamed on youtube, well, i think that's a ratings thing. i bet if you could get advertisers on board, the networks would follow.
let me know if you want me to sign a petition to some soap company. i'll be happy to lend my support for "truly public" baptism.

You don't need tv. There are plenty of public lakes and beaches in the nation.

 

[posthuman]

You don't need tv. There are plenty of public lakes and beaches in the nation.

let's go!

(aren't most churches also "open to the public" ?)

 

[Butch5]

ok. You do not know who he is. That answers alot

Yeah, I do. Where does Scripture say that Jesus in omnipresent? Didn't He resurrect in a flesh and bond body? How is a flesh and bone body omnipresent?

 

[Butch5]

No he said it was a like symbol of that which saves us.

He said that Noah and the flood, was an example of baptism which saves us.

You do when you state water baptism is salvic

Not at all. Obedience to God's commands has nothing to do with men.

Paul was not referring to the law in titus 3. He calls them works of righteousness. Which would mean any good deed. Not just the law.

Sorry, but you can't just define the terms as they fit your theology. Paul considered keeping the Law deeds of righteousness.

[SUP]7[/SUP] But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

[SUP]8[/SUP] Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
[SUP]9[/SUP] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
(Phi 3:7-9 KJV)

 

[Butch5]

let's go!

(aren't most churches also "open to the public" ?)

Yeah, I guess all the people coming in and out really disturb the services.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Yeah, I do. Where does Scripture say that Jesus in omnipresent? Didn't He resurrect in a flesh and bond body? How is a flesh and bone body omnipresent?

He also said he would be with us, and he would never leave nor forsake us, so how can he do this, unless He is God.

Scripture says if we saw him as he was, We would die. No one has ever seen Jesus in his ressurected state as he was, we could not handle it

 

[gleener]

Yeah, I do. Where does Scripture say that Jesus in omnipresent? Didn't He resurrect in a flesh and bond body? How is a flesh and bone body omnipresent?

That would be john3vrs 13 no one has ascended in to heaven but He who came down from heaven that is the son of man who is in heaven I know it thru me for a loop when I first diagnosed this scripture just think how nicodemus took it

 

[Butch5]

He also said he would be with us, and he would never leave nor forsake us, so how can he do this, unless He is God.

Holy Spirit

Scripture says if we saw him as he was, We would die. No one has ever seen Jesus in his ressurected state as he was, we could not handle it

He spent 40 days teaching the apostles, the Scriptures tell us they saw Him.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[/B][/COLOR]He said that Noah and the flood, was an example of baptism which saves us.

No, He said Like noah and the flood, Baptism is also a type of that which saves us, the resurrection of Christ is what saves us.

Not at all. Obedience to God's commands has nothing to do with men.

lol. Then why do we not all do it, if it has nothing to do with us..

Sorry, but you can't just define the terms as they fit your theology. Paul considered keeping the Law deeds of righteousness.

Your the one adding to the word. There is no law even mentioned,

[SUP]7[/SUP] But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.

[SUP]8[/SUP] Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ,
[SUP]9[/SUP] And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:
(Phi 3:7-9 KJV)

We are talking about titus, Not philemon. Context my friend. Context.

 

[Butch5]

That would be john3vrs 13 no one has ascended in to heaven but He who came down from heaven that is the son of man who is in heaven I know it thru me for a loop when I first diagnosed this scripture just think how nicodemus took it

Hi Gleener, I don't see how that shows Jesus is omnipresent if that's what you're getting at

 

[eternally-gratefull]

[/B][/COLOR]Holy Spirit

Yes, And John said Jesus would baptise with the HS. You just answered your own question

He spent 40 days teaching the apostles, the Scriptures tell us they saw Him.

Yes, In a body which we can see and not die.

Why are you ignoring other parts of scripture. You do relise John saw him in rev do you not. He looked nothing like the one who walked the earth.

 

[posthuman]

Yeah? I don't know what you're getting at.

i'm getting at this:

there is only one name under heaven by which we can be saved, and His name isn't "baptism"

we can glory in Him, and glorify Him, or we can glory in the obedient things we do in His name. but salvation is not by works, though His children do His work. salvation is not by obedience, though those that love Him obey Him. salvation is not by birth, though He makes us new. salvation is not by knowledge, though we know whom we believe.

salvation is by Christ alone! He made mud with spit and dirt and put it on the blind mans eyes - did His spit heal? did the dirt heal? did washing the muck off his face heal? Christ healed!

in the old times the ashes of a red heifer, mixed with water, was used to ceremonially clean whoever had become unclean (Numbers 19). did this mud truly clean anyone? or was it because of faithful obedience that God forgave their uncleanness? but no amount of blood, ashes or water made Israel clean in Gods eyes when their hearts were given to idols and the wickedness in their hearts!

we have One God, One atonement, One Name by which we have One Hope! His name is Jesus the Christ, the Son of God!

His disciples baptize in His name, into His faith. if faith comes by hearing, then i don't look to my ears for salvation, but ever more, to Christ Himself.

 

[Butch5]

No, He said Like noah and the flood, Baptism is also a type of that which saves us, the resurrection of Christ is what saves us.

He didn't say baptism was a type of that which saves us. He said baptism does now save us.

lol. Then why do we not all do it, if it has nothing to do with us..

Have at it.


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Your the one adding to the word. There is no law even mentioned,

We are talking about titus, Not philemon. Context my friend. Context.

It is in context, my friend. I am establishing the thinking of the author. Both books were written by the same author. It's interesting that you quotes Titus 3:5 because that passage actually refutes your position on baptism. Paul said God saved us by the washing of regeneration. Literally it means the bath of regeneration. There's only one bath in the Christian faith and that's water baptism.

 

[gleener]

Hi Gleener, I don't see how that shows Jesus is omnipresent if that's what you're getting at

Well if you would read as it is written Jesus says to nicodemus He is standing in front of nicodemus and He is also in heaven that's the old being in 2 places at the same time or Omnipresent oh and by the way im not getting at nothing I am merely quoting scripture love gleener

 

[Butch5]

i'm getting at this:

there is only one name under heaven by which we can be saved, and His name isn't "baptism"

we can glory in Him, and glorify Him, or we can glory in the obedient things we do in His name. but salvation is not by works, though His children do His work. salvation is not by obedience, though those that love Him obey Him. salvation is not by birth, though He makes us new. salvation is not by knowledge, though we know whom we believe.

salvation is by Christ alone! He made mud with spit and dirt and put it on the blind mans eyes - did His spit heal? did the dirt heal? did washing the muck off his face heal? Christ healed!

in the old times the ashes of a red heifer, mixed with water, was used to ceremonially clean whoever had become unclean (Numbers 19). did this mud truly clean anyone? or was it because of faithful obedience that God forgave their uncleanness? but no amount of blood, ashes or water made Israel clean in Gods eyes when their hearts were given to idols and the wickedness in their hearts!

we have One God, One atonement, One Name by which we have One Hope! His name is Jesus the Christ, the Son of God!

His disciples baptize in His name, into His faith. if faith comes by hearing, then i don't look to my ears for salvation, but ever more, to Christ Himself.

Actually, it's not Christ who saves, it's the Father who saves. He saves those who have faith. He uses baptism as means of expressing that faith and entering into Christ. Paul said,

[SUP]26[/SUP] For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]27[/SUP] For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
[SUP]28[/SUP] There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.
[SUP]29[/SUP] And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.
(Gal 3:26-29 KJV)

 

[Butch5]

Well if you would read as it is written Jesus says to nicodemus He is standing in front of nicodemus and He is also in heaven that's the old being in 2 places at the same time or Omnipresent oh and by the way im not getting at nothing I am merely quoting scripture love gleener

How exactly is He in front of Nicodemus and in Heaven?

 

[Butch5]

Yes, And John said Jesus would baptise with the HS. You just answered your own question

John the Baptist said, He will baptize "you." He didn't say Jesus would baptize every person who would ever believe throughout all time.




[/quote]Yes, In a body which we can see and not die.

Why are you ignoring other parts of scripture. You do relise John saw him in rev do you not. He looked nothing like the one who walked the earth. [/QUOTE]

But you just said no one could see Him.