Does water baptism save us

[Jackson123]

I'm not Catholic, but I don't see why what Catholics do would have any bearing on the subject. I say it's not a symbol because it's where God forgives sins, that's not a symbol that having one's sins forgiven.

Brother,

Let me ask you question.

Do you remember the felon which crucified on the side of Jesus.

Do you think he is Christian before he crucifixion or in the crucifixion.

Do you think he went to baptism ritual or not.

If you think he went to baptism ritual, when do you think it happen. before the crucifixion or in the crucifixion.

 

[Jackson123]

I don't think anyone is arguing that water baptism alone saves. I believe everyone is assuming faith in the argument.

to make it clear, so Brother, you don't believe water baptism save you,

Or you believe water baptism save you if accompany by faith.

How about faith alone and a person don't have time to be baptized and die.

 

[Kerry]

John 13:7Jesus answered and said to him, "What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter." 8Peter said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."9Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head."…

Is that scripture clear enough for you?

You gotta dunk yor head to be baptized or if your Methodist have water sprinkled on your head not your feet.

 

[Butch5]

to make it clear, so Brother, you don't believe water baptism save you,

Or you believe water baptism save you if accompany by faith.

How about faith alone and a person don't have time to be baptized and die.

God saves. He saves those who place their faith in Christ and obey His commands. One of His commands is to be baptized. It is in baptism that God give the forgiveness of sins.

 

[Kerry]

God saves. He saves those who place their faith in Christ and obey His commands. One of His commands is to be baptized. It is in baptism that God give the forgiveness of sins.

Wrong, it is by the blood of the lamb that sins are forgiven, Baptism is an outward show of inner change. The only thing that Jesus commanded is that we love one another or have we wiped out the OT. Job said I know my baptism awaits or did he say I know my redeemer lives. Is baptism your redeemer?

 

[Jackson123]

God saves. He saves those who place their faith in Christ and obey His commands. One of His commands is to be baptized. It is in baptism that God give the forgiveness of sins.

If I understand correctly, what you believe is:

1.If one have a faith in God and not baptize yet, he is not save
2. God only forgive a person in the baptism ritual.
So baptism ritual is the key for salvation.

Is this your believe brother?

 

[Kerry]

Bruce, explain what baptism did for you that the cross did not.

 

[saved1975]

There is only one way to be saved, so they all refer to water baptism that saves.

The Bible and the Greek prove that water baptism doesn't save, One has to be saved in order to be baptised.

How was you baptised.

 

[saved1975]

Peter did say that baptism saves us, it's clearly stated. You keep saying the Greek says but you haven't shown where the Greek says.

I've already posted a quote from Ignatius who was taught by the apostle John and was appointed bishop at Antioch by the apostle Peter. He said that it is through baptism that one partakes of the resurrection. It's hard to imagine that Peter would appoint someone as bishop if their theology was wrong.

Peter DID NOT say baptism saves, He said it is a figure, A symbol of salvation.
Peter knew that baptism DOESN'T save, He knew from his personal experience, he was baptised, but he wasn't saved.

Peter told the people in Acts 2: 38, To repent for the remission of sins, Not be baptised for the remission of sns.

The Bible and the original Greek texts, prove that water baptism doesn't save.


I see that you put more faith in what Ignatius said, Than what God has said.

 

[mailmandan]

Is baptism your redeemer?

It would appear so. Instead of placing their faith in Christ for salvation, these water salvationists place their faith in baptism (and other works) to save them. Faith in water and works is not faith in Christ. Christ's finished work of redemption is the all sufficient means of our salvation. Jesus needs no supplements.

 

[notuptome]

John 13:7Jesus answered and said to him, "What I do you do not realize now, but you will understand hereafter." 8Peter said to Him, "Never shall You wash my feet!" Jesus answered him, "If I do not wash you, you have no part with Me."9Simon Peter said to Him, "Lord, then wash not only my feet, but also my hands and my head."…

Is that scripture clear enough for you?

Congratulations...you just made the top ten list of wildest things I have read here on CC.

You are completely wrong in your understanding of this scripture. If you continue to read the passage in the next verse the Lord corrects Peter in that Peter did not need his head washed because he was already clean but his feet from walking on the earth needed cleansing. Foot washing is symbolic of our need for sanctification on a daily basis. We come to Christ saved but as we live in this sin filled world we need to confess our temptations and clean the accumulated dirt from our feet. John likely had this in mind when he wrote 1 John 1:8-10

You are missing out on a real blessing from the Lord if you do not understand this tender passage of scripture.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[notuptome]

It would appear so. Instead of placing their faith in Christ for salvation, these water salvationists place their faith in baptism (and other works) to save them. Faith in water and works is not faith in Christ. Christ's finished work of redemption is the all sufficient means of our salvation. Jesus needs no supplements.

No doubt a golden calf cast from the need to have something tangible to fill the void of faith. Easier to trust something visible than something unseen. Just sayin'.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

 

[Cobus]

Hey Cobus, what about the eunuch in Chapter 8 of Acts. He said he went down into the water. Are you going to deny that too? Why don't you use a little a little common sense and study the context on those cases where it specifically doesn't say water. Never mind, you have already made up your mind so why study?

Hey alligator was the Eunoch saved? Or did he receive the Holy Spirit? NOPE! None of the two. And what about the thousands that was baptized they were added and SHOULD BE SAVED not saved YET.... On the day of Penticost.... And to say I did nt give proof just show the ignorance. All I did I prooved with Scripture.... NOT ONE MAN IS SAVED BY WATER.... NOT ONE!

Look here... God added ot he church DAILY as many as SHOULD be saved.... Acts 2:44. And look who saves when who pass through....

The Holy Spirit is Jesus..... He is the GATE.... John 10:9... I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved

No water has EVER been the gate to go through NO WATER! It is Christ Jesus who is the door, nothing else. So there proved AGAIN there is only ONE WAY to salvation, Through Christ Jesus. NO OTHER WAY.

The fact that there is water baptisms is evident just about daily, doess it save the person who is baptized NO! Did it ever save any person NO! That is the subject. Not whether people were baptized with water. I see is almost every day happening. But is that the ONE BAPTISM in Eph 4? God forbid! If there were no Spirit baptism by GOD HIMSELF there would not be salvation. If there were NO WATER baptism today, there will still be ALL the salvation of God. That is how clear it is in the Bible.

One baptism = God's Holy Spirit Baptism unto FULL SALVATION in Christ Jesus. Amen and Amen!

 

[Cobus]

Hey all who have been baptized with water... Who of you still have some of the OLD MAN that went into the water in you? You know that ugly sinner we are when we are OLD FLESHLY MEN? Come who of you were made ALL NEW in the water?

Not some twisted thing of God sees a new you? God is not blind and I am not either.... If you still sin AFTER the waterbaptism let me show you the END to all sin in the Bible! It is another baptism and there is NO WATER in that Baptism.

If God baptize a man God makes smething special happen.... Something BIG!

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No doubt a golden calf cast from the need to have something tangible to fill the void of faith. Easier to trust something visible than something unseen. Just sayin'.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

But that is not faith. According to scripture, Faith is the SUBSTANCE of things HOPED FOR, the EVIDENCE of things NOT SEEN.

Just sayin..

 

[Jabberjaw]

The Bible and the Greek prove that water baptism doesn't save, One has to be saved in order to be baptised.

How was you baptised.

Book chapter verse for your Greek

 

[Cassian]

It would appear so. Instead of placing their faith in Christ for salvation, these water salvationists place their faith in baptism (and other works) to save them. Faith in water and works is not faith in Christ. Christ's finished work of redemption is the all sufficient means of our salvation. Jesus needs no supplements.

and one has nothing to do with the other directly. which is why you are confused on the issue.

 

[saved1975]

Book chapter verse for your Greek

The disciples were baptised in water, But they weren't saved, Proving that baptism doesn't save.
Paul was saved three days before he was baptised in the Holy Ghost, And that was before he was baptised in water, Proving that water baptism doesn't save.
The Gentiles were saved, baptised in the Holy Ghost and spoke in tongues, But they weren't baptised in water, Proving that water baptism doesn't save.
The disciples in Acts 19, were saved believers, But they weren't baptised in the Christian water baptism, Proving that water baptism doesn't save.

Paul said he was through hi Ministry that the Corinthian Church were born again, But he also said, he didn't baptised them, Proving that water baptism doesn't save.

The Bible rests it's case. Water baptism, doesn't save.
So there is no need for the Greek, But you can check it up on the internet.
I have different Hebrew and Greek study Bibles and concordances.
If water baptism saves, What about all those born again Christians who aren't baptised in water yet??.
Yet the are saved and some are baptised in the Holy Ghost and speak in tongues.
And they all confirm the Bible's teaching that water baptism doesn't save.

 

[Alligator]

Hey alligator was the Eunoch saved? Or did he receive the Holy Spirit? NOPE! None of the two. And what about the thousands that was baptized they were added and SHOULD BE SAVED not saved YET.... On the day of Penticost.... And to say I did nt give proof just show the ignorance. All I did I prooved with Scripture.... NOT ONE MAN IS SAVED BY WATER.... NOT ONE!

Look here... God added ot he church DAILY as many as SHOULD be saved.... Acts 2:44. And look who saves when who pass through.... It is unbelievable the claim the 3000 sold their Penicault when I say.

The Holy Spirit is Jesus..... He is the GATE.... John 10:9... I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved

No water has EVER been the gate to go through NO WATER! It is Christ Jesus who is the door, nothing else. So there proved AGAIN there is only ONE WAY to salvation, Through Christ Jesus. NO OTHER WAY.

The fact that there is water baptisms is evident just about daily, doess it save the person who is baptized NO! Did it ever save any person NO! That is the subject. Not whether people were baptized with water. I see is almost every day happening. But is that the ONE BAPTISM in Eph 4? God forbid! If there were no Spirit baptism by GOD HIMSELF there would not be salvation. If there were NO WATER baptism today, there will still be ALL the salvation of God. That is how clear it is in the Bible.

One baptism = God's Holy Spirit Baptism unto FULL SALVATION in Christ Jesus. Amen and Amen!

Boy, , this is so full of Bible ignorance I do not know where to to begin. You are seriously trying to tell me that the eunuch was not saved? Then I wonder why he went on his way rejoicing. Next you say the eunuch did not receive the Holy Spirit. Really?Acts 2:38 says that those who were baptized on Pentecost received the Holy Spirit. Why did not the eunuch receive it? See how much since you are making? And, of course, you did not furnish a single scripture to back your claim.

The Holy Spirit is not Jesus, the Holy Spirit is the Holy Spirit. It is unbelievable that you claim all those people on the day of Pentecost were not saved. How many times do we have to tell you. Water does not save. The blood of Christ saves and the question is how do we come in contact with that blood. Gal. 3:26-27 gives the answer. There is one baptism today. It is not the Holy Spirit baptism but the baptism of the great commission in Matthew 28. Anytime baptism is mentioned it appears you just automatically assume that it's Holy Spirit baptism.

 

[mailmandan]

and one has nothing to do with the other directly. which is why you are confused on the issue.

I am certainly not confused about Christ's finished work of redemption being the all sufficient means of my salvation. My faith trusts exclusively in Him to save me and not in water and works. That's the big difference between you and I.