Why you need to stop your lies against Obama & The Pope

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Atwood

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Many people on this forum, who claim to be true Christians, and claim their politics are truly Christian continuously rebel against God's Commands and God's direct instruction. Here is why:

Romans 13
King James Version (KJV)


13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.


2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.


3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.


6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.


7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.


9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.


12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.


14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
THANKS FOR THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT IN THE USA IS THE PEOPLE AS THE FINAL AUTHORITY?

Doesn't the Constitution start out, "We the People . . . "?
Now if the people are the top king in our system and the president is our servant, may we criticize him?
Do you really think that people here lie about him and the pope? To say something wrong is one thing, to lie is another. But you are correct that we should be careful what we say and not make negative assertions about persons based on insufficient evidence.

Probably we pray way too little for our governmental leaders. Should we pray for the pope? pray that he will trust Christ as his Savior? I don't recall ever having prayed for the old boy, but he is a world wide governmental leader. And we can thank astrologer Ronald Reagan for having recognized the Vatican.
 

PennEd

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How is everybody so blind? It doesn't matter who is elected, and who you think is in charge. Open your eyes people. The global elitists are going to kill the dollar. It's not about Obama. He is a puppet. All of the leaders of the world are buddies who could care less about you and me, it's about power. They gave us the illusion of choice, meanwhile both parties run for NWO. As all of us slaves fight against eachother thinking the lie we believe is the truth, the focus is off the fact that a small group of families decide our fates in every country. John wrote what was going to happen two thousand years ago. All of the powers that be, are engineering a one world government and universal religion. Any faith that isn't in Christ, is against. So, when the Pope declares you don't need Jesus to be saved, he brings condemnation upon himself.
I absolutely agree with everything you posted, but we still have an obligation to expose lies and fight for the truth. This includes our government. We need to do the right thing and then let the chips fall as they may.
 
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THANKS FOR THE SCRIPTURE ABOVE.

DO YOU THINK THAT THE GOVERNMENT IN THE USA IS THE PEOPLE AS THE FINAL AUTHORITY?

Doesn't the Constitution start out, "We the People . . . "?
Now if the people are the top king in our system and the president is our servant, may we criticize him?
Do you really think that people here lie about him and the pope? To say something wrong is one thing, to lie is another. But you are correct that we should be careful what we say and not make negative assertions about persons based on insufficient evidence.

Probably we pray way too little for our governmental leaders. Should we pray for the pope? pray that he will trust Christ as his Savior? I don't recall ever having prayed for the old boy, but he is a world wide governmental leader. And we can thank astrologer Ronald Reagan for having recognized the Vatican.
Really, Reagan. Not Abraham Lincoln who wrote to the Pope on many occasions, or JFK who is a fellow Catholic.
 
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didymos

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Is...we do not believe that death separates us from who we are. We are Christians now and after we die. Catholics believe this implicitly.

I know what they 'believe,' doesn't mean they're right though. (duh)
 
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Someone explain to me how this level of treason shouldn't result in not just impeachment, but prison.


Ted Cruz Report Details 76 “Lawless” Actions Imperial President Has Taken… | Weasel Zippers
Well we let Bush off the hook for starting a war and lying to us all and doing the whole NDAA and NDRP and "patriot" act crap amongst other things.

Also I believe you can't try Obama for treason because you'd have to throw most of the Senate and House and Supreme Court in there too. Ironic ain't it that the biggest crooks and traitors are our leaders? Guess this is what happens when you got the electorate so dumbed down that they actually think there's a difference between the GOP and the Democrats. But alas, thus is American Politics.

Heh, but hey don't let your countenance fall, personally I just enjoy the show.
 

PennEd

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Well we let Bush off the hook for starting a war and lying to us all and doing the whole NDAA and NDRP and "patriot" act crap amongst other things.

Also I believe you can't try Obama for treason because you'd have to throw most of the Senate and House and Supreme Court in there too. Ironic ain't it that the biggest crooks and traitors are our leaders? Guess this is what happens when you got the electorate so dumbed down that they actually think there's a difference between the GOP and the Democrats. But alas, thus is American Politics.

Heh, but hey don't let your countenance fall, personally I just enjoy the show.
Well I can tell you I despise the patriot act as well as the formation of "homeland security" Right from the start, not just recently when it became obvious that homeland is daily violating the constitution with unreasonable searches. BUT the starting of the second Iraq war was voted on in Congress by both dems and gop and was not illegal or unconstitutional, also Iraq had violated the terms of the surrender of the 1st Iraq war. If you read the list posted, I don't see how you could come up with any other conclusion than obama should be impeached.
 
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Well I can tell you I despise the patriot act as well as the formation of "homeland security" Right from the start, not just recently when it became obvious that homeland is daily violating the constitution with unreasonable searches. BUT the starting of the second Iraq war was voted on in Congress by both dems and gop and was not illegal or unconstitutional, also Iraq had violated the terms of the surrender of the 1st Iraq war. If you read the list posted, I don't see how you could come up with any other conclusion than obama should be impeached.
In regards to Iraq War, yes Congress did vote for it, but Congress was misled under a lie from the Bush Administration, thus it is still an illegal war. And one of the biggest stains on American history.

In regards to impeachment, well this isn't going to happen even if one does have a case (and I believe Cruz's list is extremely flawed.)

The Process of Impeachment of the President of the United States

Even if you began the impeachment proceedings against Obama you will not succeed in a conviction for this reason:

The Senate, in open session, will vote on a verdict. A 2/3 vote of the Senate will result in a conviction.

And we all know the Senate being controlled by Harry Reid ain't gonna touch Obama. Just wait 2 more year bro, and do a lot of homework before voting, don't get sucked into the partisan game because that's basically what has destroyed our politics.
 
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PennEd

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In regards to Iraq War, yes Congress did vote for it, but Congress was misled under a lie from the Bush Administration, thus it is still an illegal war. And one of the biggest stains on American history.

In regards to impeachment, well this isn't going to happen even if one does have a case (and I believe Cruz's list is extremely flawed.)

The Process of Impeachment of the President of the United States

Even if you began the impeachment proceedings against Obama you will not succeed in a conviction for this reason:

The Senate, in open session, will vote on a verdict. A 2/3 vote of the Senate will result in a conviction.

And we all know the Senate being controlled by Harry Reid ain't gonna touch Obama. Just wait 2 more year bro, and do a lot of homework before voting, don't get sucked into the partisan game because that's basically what has destroyed our politics.

Your'e right I believe impeachment would fail. This should not be a factor in doing the right thing by bringing charges. We can only control what we do not others.That is what we are held accountable for.
As for Iraq, you did not address the point that they failed to abide by their surrender agreement from the 1st war. Also, it is completely indeterminate whether Bush lied about WMD. I have read good evidence that the bulk of those weapons were moved to Syria, which syria recently used on it's own people. Also, Bush relied on information given to him by various intelligence agencies, most of which congressional panels were privy to.

I haven't read the whole list of indictable, treasonous acts that Cruz listed, but of those I have, they seem ironclad.
 
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Your'e right I believe impeachment would fail. This should not be a factor in doing the right thing by bringing charges. We can only control what we do not others.That is what we are held accountable for.
As for Iraq, you did not address the point that they failed to abide by their surrender agreement from the 1st war. Also, it is completely indeterminate whether Bush lied about WMD. I have read good evidence that the bulk of those weapons were moved to Syria, which syria recently used on it's own people. Also, Bush relied on information given to him by various intelligence agencies, most of which congressional panels were privy to.

I haven't read the whole list of indictable, treasonous acts that Cruz listed, but of those I have, they seem ironclad.
I read the whole list just now (read the 30 points a few days back). Only one point in that list could actually be considerred treason (according to Constitutional definition of Treason). That sole point is this:

3. Ended some terror asylum restrictions, by allowing asylum for people who provided only “insignificant” or “limited” material support of terrorists.

However upon further investigation alas, they worded the directive in such a manner that it is not possible to construe it as treason. Here is the actual memo:
Federal Register, Volume 79 Issue 24 (Wednesday, February 5, 2014)

(I do want to add, personally, I think this is a terrible policy and we'll see that when we get attacked again on our own soil by terrorist we let run in. I'd have thought that our politicians would have learned better after 9/11 and Boston, but alas, US Politics in this century makes no sense.)

As for the rest of the points, they are not ironclad at all, most of the points therein are fully constitutional but are simply a matter of political disagreement. I do believe a handful of the points are unconstitutional (though not treasonous), but unfortunately the Congress and the Supreme Court doesn't see it that way lol.

As for Syria-Iraq chemical arms moving, it is not confirmed, but I also think Saddam may have given chemical weapons to Syria due to their close party ties (baathist party). However I cannot confirm this with certainty (lol conspiracy theory!)

As for Bush's famous lie, he admitted that Iraq had no chemical weapons, had nothing to do with 9/11, though he did fairly claim that they had the capability to make chemical weapons (which is true, because if you got access to household chemicals anyone of us can make chemical weapons pretty easily scary enough.)

One of the most famous comments of 2000s History.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfwuDjC6nTs
[video=youtube;UfwuDjC6nTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfwuDjC6nTs[/video]

My personal Theory: Bush was worried and nervous after 9/11, plus he have a somewhat personal vendetta against Saddam since his father failed to kill him. And I do remember back in the 90s and 2000s not many people were happy with Saddam at all. I do believe we were going to fight Iraq regardless of who was President in the 2000s (for I remember when Clinton bombed Baghdad.) However, Iraq War was a total defeat and catastrophe, there is no way around that fact. Today Iraq is the second most violent place on earth after Syria, enmeshed still in a brutal civil war, and Nuri al-Maliki is becoming increasingly tyrannical himself. Furthermore even though I feel Saddam is no doubt a tyrant whom deserved to be deposed, the manner in which Bush went about it has permanantly stained America's reputation, almost destroyed our alliances, and is reason #1 most people foreign and domestic will never trust America in my lifetime.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Yes and I can assert that you're myopically blaming one side when the other side is just as guilty. And what of Obama's warmongering. Obama's involved the U.S. military in a further four countries for a total of six countries since he took office.

Both sides are guilty David_1. Not just the one you don't like.

Do you understand what a GLOBAL Financial Crisis is?

Do you understand my family members have had to go and serve in the Iraq and Afghan wars.

Don't tell me I'm not affected by the evil choices of the Republican Party.
 
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The whole point of the Middle East wars was keeping oil pegged to the dollar. There are only 4 countries left in the world whose banks are not tied to the IMF. Care to guess who?
 

ob77

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Many people on this forum, who claim to be true Christians, and claim their politics are truly Christian continuously rebel against God's Commands and God's direct instruction. Here is why:

Romans 13
King James Version (KJV)


13 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.


2 Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.


3 For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:


4 For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.


5 Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.


6 For for this cause pay ye tribute also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing.


7 Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honour to whom honour.

8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.


9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not kill, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Thou shalt not covet; and if there be any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.


10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.


11 And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep: for now is our salvation nearer than when we believed.


12 The night is far spent, the day is at hand: let us therefore cast off the works of darkness, and let us put on the armour of light.


13 Let us walk honestly, as in the day; not in rioting and drunkenness, not in chambering and wantonness, not in strife and envying.


14 But put ye on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make not provision for the flesh, to fulfil the lusts thereof.
We were never to place a stranger in the position of ruling over us, let alone a mamzir. By transgressing God's law, we have given power over us into an injust, unlawful, liar and we shall pay the price. You do err in not knowing the scriptures.
A mamzir was not allowed near the temple and we have put one as a leader over us, and you convince who of sin?
 

ob77

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Paul thought so:

Paul looked straight at the Sanhedrin and said, “My brothers, I have fulfilled my duty to God in all good conscience to this day.”
At this the high priest Ananias ordered those standing near Paul to strike him on the mouth. Then Paul said to him, “God will strike you, you whitewashed wall! You sit there to judge me according to the law, yet you yourself violate the law by commanding that I be struck!”
Those who were standing near Paul said, “How dare you insult God’s high priest!”
Paul replied, “Brothers, I did not realize that he was the high priest; for it is written:
‘Do not speak evil about the ruler of your people.’ ”

(Acts 23:1-5)

Jesus also, when Peter was questioned about paying the tax, told him "
so that we do not offend" and bade him catch a fish, where he found a coin to pay both his own tax and Christ's.
(Matthew ch. 17)

how much is in the scripture about Jesus condemning the Roman emperor? zero.

"
do not repay evil with evil"
Or, when in Rome..............
 

ob77

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Actually he's not and you are lying. You are actually bearing false witness against your neighbour.
Whose neighbor? Neighbors were supposed to be brothers. A stranger is not my brother under any stretch of the imagination.
The seed of Adam is the holy seed, not to be corrupted, nor adulterated. Obama is not of Adam, and is himself a product of mongrelization. Again, you do err in not knowing the scriptures.
 
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I read the whole list just now (read the 30 points a few days back). Only one point in that list could actually be considerred treason (according to Constitutional definition of Treason). That sole point is this:

3. Ended some terror asylum restrictions, by allowing asylum for people who provided only “insignificant” or “limited” material support of terrorists.

However upon further investigation alas, they worded the directive in such a manner that it is not possible to construe it as treason. Here is the actual memo:
Federal Register, Volume 79 Issue 24 (Wednesday, February 5, 2014)

(I do want to add, personally, I think this is a terrible policy and we'll see that when we get attacked again on our own soil by terrorist we let run in. I'd have thought that our politicians would have learned better after 9/11 and Boston, but alas, US Politics in this century makes no sense.)

As for the rest of the points, they are not ironclad at all, most of the points therein are fully constitutional but are simply a matter of political disagreement. I do believe a handful of the points are unconstitutional (though not treasonous), but unfortunately the Congress and the Supreme Court doesn't see it that way lol.

As for Syria-Iraq chemical arms moving, it is not confirmed, but I also think Saddam may have given chemical weapons to Syria due to their close party ties (baathist party). However I cannot confirm this with certainty (lol conspiracy theory!)

As for Bush's famous lie, he admitted that Iraq had no chemical weapons, had nothing to do with 9/11, though he did fairly claim that they had the capability to make chemical weapons (which is true, because if you got access to household chemicals anyone of us can make chemical weapons pretty easily scary enough.)

One of the most famous comments of 2000s History.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfwuDjC6nTs
[video=youtube;UfwuDjC6nTs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfwuDjC6nTs[/video]

My personal Theory: Bush was worried and nervous after 9/11, plus he have a somewhat personal vendetta against Saddam since his father failed to kill him. And I do remember back in the 90s and 2000s not many people were happy with Saddam at all. I do believe we were going to fight Iraq regardless of who was President in the 2000s (for I remember when Clinton bombed Baghdad.) However, Iraq War was a total defeat and catastrophe, there is no way around that fact. Today Iraq is the second most violent place on earth after Syria, enmeshed still in a brutal civil war, and Nuri al-Maliki is becoming increasingly tyrannical himself. Furthermore even though I feel Saddam is no doubt a tyrant whom deserved to be deposed, the manner in which Bush went about it has permanantly stained America's reputation, almost destroyed our alliances, and is reason #1 most people foreign and domestic will never trust America in my lifetime.
Actually, we did find chemical WMDs. They are called Blood Nerve Gas. It causes the walls of your blood vessels to erode causing someone to drown in their own blood. Saddam Hussein had enough to kill everyone in Manhattan three times.