The topic is Does water baptism save us?
Like I said, baptism or immersion in the name of Father Son and Holy spirit save us.
When people believe and invite Jesus in his heart it automatically he is immerse or baptize in the name of Father Son and Holy spirit, because Holy spirit is dwell in him. so He is already baptize and save, even not go to water baptism which just a symbol.
This real baptism must prove by it fruit. in the sense that after person baptized by the Father Son and Holy spirit his life will change. He become new creation, born again in the spirit.
Please show me anywhere in the Scriptures that you see anything like what you've said here. One isn't baptized until he goes into the water. Jesus set the example, He went into the water and was baptized. Upon coming out of the water the Holy Spirit descended on Him. This idea that you get the Holy Spirit when you believe is not taught in the Scriptures. Notice the words of the apostle Paul.
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12[/SUP] That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. {trusted: or, hoped}
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13[/SUP] In whom ye also
trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also
after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,
(Eph 1:12-13 KJV)
Notice he said, "after" you believed you were sealed with the Holy Spirit, not when you believed. Likewise Peter said,
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38[/SUP] Then Peter said unto them,
Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins,
and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
(Act 2:38 KJV)
repent and believe and you shall receive. Receive is in the future tense.