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Some are saying it,but what do they mean by it? Remember Peter does say this
1 Peter 3:21
14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats[b]; do not be frightened.”[c]15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
How are we saved by the resurrection of Christ? Isn't it by FAITH that one believes Christ rose PHYSICALLY from the dead? So what is it in baptism that actually saves? Wouldn't it be by FAITH?
Eg,you have to remember everything has to start at square one,and that is WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to please God. Without faith one can't even repent and have it pleasing to God without FAITH. Without faith,no amount can please God. Baptism means NOTHING without FAITH,without faith all one is doing is getting wet. That's why Peter can say now baptism saves,because is FAITH in action.
If that is what means by that of course that is wrong. See what I believe what happened over time is that they saw baptism as being part of the whole process,so we end up not understanding HOW they saw baptism because WE HAVE separated baptism from repenting and believing. They did it within the same hour. People did NOT wait weeks,months or years to be baptized. Which means we have been given a SKEWED perspective of baptism. They saw baptism as being PART of the whole,whereas we have been TAUGHT it as being TWO TOTALLY different things and not that it is a PART of the whole.
1 Peter 3:21
14 But even if you should suffer for what is right, you are blessed. “Do not fear their threats[b]; do not be frightened.”[c]15 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect,16 keeping a clear conscience, so that those who speak maliciously against your good behavior in Christ may be ashamed of their slander.17 For it is better, if it is God’s will, to suffer for doing good than for doing evil.18 For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.19 After being made alive,[d] he went and made proclamation to the imprisoned spirits—20 to those who were disobedient long ago when God waited patiently in the days of Noah while the ark was being built. In it only a few people, eight in all, were saved through water,21 and this water symbolizes baptism that now saves you also—not the removal of dirt from the body but the pledge of a clear conscience toward God.[e] It saves you by the resurrection of Jesus Christ,22 who has gone into heaven and is at God’s right hand—with angels, authorities and powers in submission to him.
How are we saved by the resurrection of Christ? Isn't it by FAITH that one believes Christ rose PHYSICALLY from the dead? So what is it in baptism that actually saves? Wouldn't it be by FAITH?
Eg,you have to remember everything has to start at square one,and that is WITHOUT FAITH IT IS IMPOSSIBLE to please God. Without faith one can't even repent and have it pleasing to God without FAITH. Without faith,no amount can please God. Baptism means NOTHING without FAITH,without faith all one is doing is getting wet. That's why Peter can say now baptism saves,because is FAITH in action.
If that is what means by that of course that is wrong. See what I believe what happened over time is that they saw baptism as being part of the whole process,so we end up not understanding HOW they saw baptism because WE HAVE separated baptism from repenting and believing. They did it within the same hour. People did NOT wait weeks,months or years to be baptized. Which means we have been given a SKEWED perspective of baptism. They saw baptism as being PART of the whole,whereas we have been TAUGHT it as being TWO TOTALLY different things and not that it is a PART of the whole.
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Your joking right? You can not have it both ways.
He does not say baptism saves, He makes it clear. it does not remove the filth of the flesh (it cleans NO ONE) It is a like symbol of the flood.
Again, your being wishy washy, Your saying no one is saying baptism saves, Now your saying it does?? Which is it. Are you denying the baptism of God?
So this gives us an excuse to replace the baptism of God with water, and claim it saves? Making it a works based gospel? WHy just baptism? God said to take the lords supper. To assemble ourselves. To wash each others feet. To go make disciples. If we are going to add one work. why not add them all?? What is the difference?
1. They had the water their to baptize immediately
2. What about the person who is not near water? Is there a body of water everywhere you go?
3. Everyone should be baptised in water, I am not denying this. Not am I fighting it. I am fighting the fast belief of Cassian, Seabass and others that the washing and renewing of our eternal souls does not happen UNTIL one is baptised. if this is true, alot of people are probably in hell because they died between beliefe and their ability to get baptized.
Actually the Old Covenant did not end until Jesus' death and resurrection.
The justification that I have for applying 1 Cor. 12:13 to Christians - it is addressed to Christians - Is it not one of the church epistles?
Unto the church of God at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours.
The justification that I have for applying 1 Cor. 12:13 to Christians - it is addressed to Christians - Is it not one of the church epistles?
Unto the church of God at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours.
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Then is "believing what God said" a work....since that "believing" preceded Abraham's obedience?
What "work" did Abraham do here?
Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
What "work" did Abraham do here?
Genesis 15:5 And he brought him forth abroad, and said, Look now toward heaven, and tell the stars, if thou be able to number them: and he said unto him, So shall thy seed be.
Genesis 15:6 And he believed in the LORD; and he counted it to him for righteousness.
Exactly. Catholic believe water baptism forgive sin and save.
Catholic also believe wear scapular save you.
Mean Catholic replace the priceless Blood of Jesus with cheap ritual and cheap scapular.
Our beloved brother and sister, let think deeply Who is behind this doctrine? Lucifer?
[h=2]Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular Shall not suffer eternal fire![/h]Our Lady of Mount Carmel to Simon StockJuly 16, 1251
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Lets look at the works of Abraham. He lied about his wife on several occasions, he took matters into his own hand and spawned a nation of rebellious satanic people. The covenant that struck with him happened while he was asleep. Those are the works of Abraham. Yet he believed God and God gave him righteousness. The only thing he did was believe.
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Exactly. Catholic believe water baptism forgive sin and save.
Catholic also believe wear scapular save you.
Mean Catholic replace the priceless Blood of Jesus with cheap ritual and cheap scapular.
Our beloved brother and sister, let think deeply Who is behind this doctrine? Lucifer?
Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular Shall not suffer eternal fire!
Our Lady of Mount Carmel to Simon StockJuly 16, 1251
Catholic also believe wear scapular save you.
Mean Catholic replace the priceless Blood of Jesus with cheap ritual and cheap scapular.
Our beloved brother and sister, let think deeply Who is behind this doctrine? Lucifer?
Whosoever dies wearing this Scapular Shall not suffer eternal fire!
Our Lady of Mount Carmel to Simon StockJuly 16, 1251
Ok so let us praise God that we agree that salvation happens the moment we ENTER INTO God. Not into WATER into GOD! S owe agree on that. You say I make a lor of assumptions, please show me one so I can use Sxripture to validate the "assumption".
My friend not ONE of Samaria received the Holy spirit when they were baptized by Simon... NOT ONE! And this load of bull that some of them was xcomcerned they did not have the same spiritual gifts... I challenge you to show me scripture on this matter. Look here.,,,, How many in Samaria had the Holy Spirit after the baptism?.... (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Do you SEE your error sir? NONE of them had the Holy Spirit. They were not baptized in SPIRIT only in WATER! And look as soon as they were cleansed they ALSO HAD GREAT JOY, but WITHOUT the Holy Spirit. Same with the Eunoch. he was joyful but Holy Spirit EMPTY still. Same with Simon the saucerer... he was baptised in water but had NO HOLY SPIRIT.
No assumptions FACTS from Acts 8.
NOw Gal 3 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
verse 26.... First thing we have to know is ALL of God's children is DESTINED to be in ONE BODY.... So All God's children ends up in ONE PLACE... Right here on earth.... God calls it the Body of Christ. Now look again what the verse says...
For ye are all the children of God by faith IN CHRIST!
Do you SEE the faith is IN CHRIST... that is the place ALL Children of God ends up IN! IN CHRIST! Who is CHRIST... CHRIST JESUS is the HOLY SPIRIT. All God's Children ends up IN CHRIST! And where is Christ? IN THEM!!!!Do you see what happens when God makes one person a CHILD OF GOD?
Can a sinner be a child of God NEVER! 1 John 3 says whosoever have the hope to be a child of God PURIFIETH HIMSLEF as pure as God is pure.... See the cleansing? Cleansing happens BEFORE CHILD IS MADE! God only makes people as CLEAN AND PURE AS HE IS His children. That is what Philip did... He cleansed the WHOLE city. And then the Apostles JOhn and Peter came and BAPTIZED THEM INTO CHRIST.... And they were made Children of God! Not when they were in the water, when they were IN CHRIST! In the SPIRIT and the SPIRIT IN THEM....
The Eunoch only has the CLEANSING, when he will recieve the Holy Spirit, who knows the Bible does not say.
Look what Jesus ask the Father to do... I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;... Why was Simon the saurcerer not perfect one with Samaria? He eve nthought he could BUY the gift of God to be an Apostle.... WOW! See Simon was not saved yet, and the Bible also does not say if Simon was saved, but Samaria was the moment the SPIRIT FELL ON THEM AND THEY ENTERED INTO CHRIST. When the Apostles layed hands on them =... Read it again and see how the Spirit ONLY came to them when the Apostles prayerd for them and laid hands on them. NEVER BEFORE THIS DID SAMARIA ENTER SALVATION. NOT EVEN WHEN PHILIP BAPTIZED THE WHOLE CITY....
My friend not ONE of Samaria received the Holy spirit when they were baptized by Simon... NOT ONE! And this load of bull that some of them was xcomcerned they did not have the same spiritual gifts... I challenge you to show me scripture on this matter. Look here.,,,, How many in Samaria had the Holy Spirit after the baptism?.... (For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.)
Do you SEE your error sir? NONE of them had the Holy Spirit. They were not baptized in SPIRIT only in WATER! And look as soon as they were cleansed they ALSO HAD GREAT JOY, but WITHOUT the Holy Spirit. Same with the Eunoch. he was joyful but Holy Spirit EMPTY still. Same with Simon the saucerer... he was baptised in water but had NO HOLY SPIRIT.
No assumptions FACTS from Acts 8.
NOw Gal 3 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
verse 26.... First thing we have to know is ALL of God's children is DESTINED to be in ONE BODY.... So All God's children ends up in ONE PLACE... Right here on earth.... God calls it the Body of Christ. Now look again what the verse says...
For ye are all the children of God by faith IN CHRIST!
Do you SEE the faith is IN CHRIST... that is the place ALL Children of God ends up IN! IN CHRIST! Who is CHRIST... CHRIST JESUS is the HOLY SPIRIT. All God's Children ends up IN CHRIST! And where is Christ? IN THEM!!!!Do you see what happens when God makes one person a CHILD OF GOD?
Can a sinner be a child of God NEVER! 1 John 3 says whosoever have the hope to be a child of God PURIFIETH HIMSLEF as pure as God is pure.... See the cleansing? Cleansing happens BEFORE CHILD IS MADE! God only makes people as CLEAN AND PURE AS HE IS His children. That is what Philip did... He cleansed the WHOLE city. And then the Apostles JOhn and Peter came and BAPTIZED THEM INTO CHRIST.... And they were made Children of God! Not when they were in the water, when they were IN CHRIST! In the SPIRIT and the SPIRIT IN THEM....
The Eunoch only has the CLEANSING, when he will recieve the Holy Spirit, who knows the Bible does not say.
Look what Jesus ask the Father to do... I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in one;... Why was Simon the saurcerer not perfect one with Samaria? He eve nthought he could BUY the gift of God to be an Apostle.... WOW! See Simon was not saved yet, and the Bible also does not say if Simon was saved, but Samaria was the moment the SPIRIT FELL ON THEM AND THEY ENTERED INTO CHRIST. When the Apostles layed hands on them =... Read it again and see how the Spirit ONLY came to them when the Apostles prayerd for them and laid hands on them. NEVER BEFORE THIS DID SAMARIA ENTER SALVATION. NOT EVEN WHEN PHILIP BAPTIZED THE WHOLE CITY....
No one needs to be water baptized to be saved NO ONE! Water baptism is NOT obeying God. NOT AT ALL...
Let me show you the COMMAND OF GOD.... REPENT.....AND BE BAPTIZED...
Which of us repents, without being WASHED? Do you see that REPENT is PURIFYING? It is CLEANSING!!!! HOw do we repent? By obeying the Holy Spirit as HE REPROOF US OF SIN.... Waht is REPENT? To TURN 180 degrees from the way you walk when you sin... To change your mind NOT TO DO SIN! Repent is STOP DOING THINGS THAT MAKES YOU DIRTY.... It is not a work, it is a STOP WORKING WITH DIRT! Sin makes dirty, repent stop making dirty.
So REPENT is the CLEANING PROCESS... This is repent.... 1 John 3:3... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
So when are a repenter as pure as God is pure? When he still NEED to repent? Or when he is DONE with repentance? When is a man as pure as God when he still GET DIRTY WITH SIN? Nope... REPENT means STOP ALL SIN ... THEN GET BAPTIZED....
Do I know what I am talking about? Well yes according to Eph 4: 11 to 13 I am REALLY on theTRUTH now. Let us see what is the END of repentance.... Can we get a NAME for the position of a person that sin no more, but is still not a Child of God? One that repented to ABSOLUTE SAINTSHIP... God calls a person that SIN NO MORE, a SAINT.
The Word SAINT in Greek is Hagios.... meaning physically PURE (pure as God ie pure) and spiritually blameless (holy as God is holy) BUT!!!!! Saints are not perfect yet. And since all God's Children are perfect, God still had to do ONE MORE THING TO MAKE THEM PERFECT.... He has to FILL THEM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST JESUS.....
Eph 4:11 to 13....
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
PRAISE GOD HE IS THE ONE THAT MAKES US HIS CHILDREN...... ONE IN HIM! AMEN!
Let me show you the COMMAND OF GOD.... REPENT.....AND BE BAPTIZED...
Which of us repents, without being WASHED? Do you see that REPENT is PURIFYING? It is CLEANSING!!!! HOw do we repent? By obeying the Holy Spirit as HE REPROOF US OF SIN.... Waht is REPENT? To TURN 180 degrees from the way you walk when you sin... To change your mind NOT TO DO SIN! Repent is STOP DOING THINGS THAT MAKES YOU DIRTY.... It is not a work, it is a STOP WORKING WITH DIRT! Sin makes dirty, repent stop making dirty.
So REPENT is the CLEANING PROCESS... This is repent.... 1 John 3:3... And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure.
So when are a repenter as pure as God is pure? When he still NEED to repent? Or when he is DONE with repentance? When is a man as pure as God when he still GET DIRTY WITH SIN? Nope... REPENT means STOP ALL SIN ... THEN GET BAPTIZED....
Do I know what I am talking about? Well yes according to Eph 4: 11 to 13 I am REALLY on theTRUTH now. Let us see what is the END of repentance.... Can we get a NAME for the position of a person that sin no more, but is still not a Child of God? One that repented to ABSOLUTE SAINTSHIP... God calls a person that SIN NO MORE, a SAINT.
The Word SAINT in Greek is Hagios.... meaning physically PURE (pure as God ie pure) and spiritually blameless (holy as God is holy) BUT!!!!! Saints are not perfect yet. And since all God's Children are perfect, God still had to do ONE MORE THING TO MAKE THEM PERFECT.... He has to FILL THEM WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT OF CHRIST JESUS.....
Eph 4:11 to 13....
Eph 4:11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
PRAISE GOD HE IS THE ONE THAT MAKES US HIS CHILDREN...... ONE IN HIM! AMEN!
K
You baptism people are going to stand and say that by your head dunking is what saves you. Shame,shame, shame, on you. My Jesus could have been king of the Earth, yet He chose to be spit on, whipped till His bones showed, thorns mashed into His head, Beaten as He walked to His death, His feet and hands nailed to a wooden beam, can you imagine the pain. Hung naked and stabbed in the side and you want to say that by dunking your head you are saved. Bull &%*$#& is all I got to say.
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Just to let you guys know...
Mark 16:16 and those other verses that talk about baptism and faith in proximity is saying...in baptism you are professing your faith in Christ. One who has faith would show his profession in obedience. Not that obedience saves, rather the faith that works that obedience saves.
Mark 16:16 and those other verses that talk about baptism and faith in proximity is saying...in baptism you are professing your faith in Christ. One who has faith would show his profession in obedience. Not that obedience saves, rather the faith that works that obedience saves.