HGTV - CHRISTIAN PHOBIC ?

[J-Kay-2]

This is my own view, not copy and pasted from anyone.

**HGTV ANTI CHRISTIAN ??? CHRISTIAN PHOBIC

Regarding the cancellation of the Twin Brothers,
David and Jason Benham new show Flip it Forward.

HGTV !!!! How low can YOU go?. We went through
the tar and feathering of Paula Deen. Now you dare
play God and take away from Christians and moral
people who were faithful to HGTV. I am fed up with
your program. Sadly there are so few decent shows
on TV now, and you want to be another to show us
you don't care about what people want. It is your
own fault for being the Christian phobics. God save
your souls, you need it. This is regarding the
Benham Bros. show you pulled. I am blown away
when I see a home show be so intolerant of Christians.
I am going to seriously consider to NOT support those
paying to advertise to keep your programming.
HGTV .... You have shown you are Anti-Christian.

 

[secularhermit]

I don´t know who these are but, the surname gave me an idea of...

I could understand it, not to be condoned.

 

[J-Kay-2]

I don´t know who these are but, the surname gave me an idea of...

I could understand it, not to be condoned.

I am sorry about not explaining. I forget not all here are from USA.
We have a Channel for Home Improvements and Cooking, etc.
My husband and I have watched it because it is fun to watch House Hunters,
and House Hunter International. We get to see Countries on there that we
will never see by way of travel.

They had a new program set to be shown where Twin Brothers were going
to build home for the people in need. They have a legit business in real life.
They are Christians and do not hide the fact they do not agree with the lifestyle
of homosexuality, abortion, etc.

For some reason someone decided they would not even air one show when
someone at HGTV did not agree with them.

This appears to me they are Christian phobic. You see they do cater more
and more to the homosexuals and my husband and I would simply change
the channel if we see two men looking at a home to live together in. So
that makes us homo phobic ? Okay, it occurred to me today, they (HGTV)
is the Christian phobic. You would not believe the Christians and just moral
people who are very upset over the fact that because these men are Christians
they were given the boot.

If this seems like there is more complaining, well I guess it is. I am very sad
seeing our Country and our world in general turning over to reprobates.
God said man would be turned over to reprobate minds. I never dreamed
so much of His Word is coming to pass in my lifetime.

Hope this explains to you what I was referring to.
God bless ~ J~ K~ 2

 

[gb9]

it is sad that so many people fear the liberals more than God. you know that the fear of negative press is the main thing behind things like this.

 

[J-Kay-2]

it is sad that so many people fear the liberals more than God. you know that the fear of negative press is the main thing behind things like this.

It is amazing to see how we are accused of being intolerant.
They should look in a mirror when they say this. I think we have
had to put up with what has been shoved at us for quite some time.

We do what God wants. We give the Word in love to the sinner.
WE let them know we love them but not the sin.

So I guess we could say, they hate the Christian, and the Christ
it represents. They can't love us without Christ as their Savior.
We can just keep praying ....Even so come quickly Lord Jesus. Amen?

 

[Lizathrose]

HGTV isn't "Christian-phobic." Even if it isn't espousing a blatantly pro-Christian perspective through some of its shows and featured guests, it's not as if it's somehow arbitrarily anti-Christian. It's simply another television network that's justifiably attempting to cater to the largest denominator by appealing to a broader audience, which thus maintains high ratings for the network. It's how television always has been with respect to private for-profit networks, and it's how it always will be.

 

[JimJimmers]

Sadly there are so few decent shows
on TV now, and you want to be another to show us
you don't care about what people want.

They do care about what people want, J-Kay. But what people want has changed since when you were young.

 

[J-Kay-2]

They do care about what people want, J-Kay. But what people want has changed since when you were young.

Yeah, ancient people who came from the stone age just can't quite understand the new fangled stuff being thrown at us. Thanks for the reminder, I tend to get forgetful. Thanks Jim.....

 

[J-Kay-2]

HGTV isn't "Christian-phobic." Even if it isn't espousing a blatantly pro-Christian perspective through some of its shows and featured guests, it's not as if it's somehow arbitrarily anti-Christian. It's simply another television network that's justifiably attempting to cater to the largest denominator by appealing to a broader audience, which thus maintains high ratings for the network. It's how television always has been with respect to private for-profit networks, and it's how it always will be.

You are a Christian I presume ? And you don't have a problem with
our 'kind' being the minority ? It seems, if I read you right, you
feel there are more unbelievers and we, (excuse me ) I as a Christian
have no right in saying they are Christian-phobic.

You see it your way. I see it mine. J~ K~ 2

 

[GodIsSalvation]

I saw this story on CNN yesterday.

While I do find it pretty ironic that HGTV wants to be seen as a supporter sexual abuse, I don't think their move was intended to Christian-phobic.

Unlike the handling of Duck Dynasty which was a pretty blatant Christian-phobia move, I think this is moreso an action to try to prevent controversy (and ironically the opposite happened). Gotta keep in mind, unlike with Duck Dynasty, this show has not actually been running yet and is still in development stage. Thus since this show has not actually been running I see this case as more of a business move than a political agenda.

 

[secularhermit]

I seldom watch TV programs. I´m lucky. Je! Je!

 

[Percepi]

The show wasn't cancelled because the brothers were Christian. The show was canceled because they were supporting anti-gay rights organizations.

Please, let's get it right!

If these brothers didn't support anti-gay organizations, then the producers wouldn't have minded the fact that they're Christian. It's not anti-Christian. It's anti-opposition to gay rights. This is a very important distinction to make.

You are a Christian I presume ? And you don't have a problem with
our 'kind' being the minority ? It seems, if I read you right, you
feel there are more unbelievers and we, (excuse me ) I as a Christian
have no right in saying they are Christian-phobic.

She never said you didn't have the right to call them Christian-phobes. She simply disagreed with you.

There's a difference between saying, "you're wrong/I disagree" and "you're not allowed to say that/should not be allowed to say that."

While I do find it pretty ironic that HGTV wants to be seen as a supporter sexual abuse

Can you please clarify what you mean by sexual abuse? Because most people who use the term sexual abuse are referring to sexual assault and rape. HGTV DOES NOT SUPPORT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RAPE.

Unlike the handling of Duck Dynasty which was a pretty blatant Christian-phobia move

It wasn't a blatant Christian-phobia move. It was a move against anti-homosexuality.

Christianity isn't solely based off of being against homosexuality. There's a lot more to Christianity than just that. These networks are only concerned with the SINGLE Christian belief that homosexuality is wrong. They aren't against everything else Christianity stands for, only that one very particular view. So calling these people Christian-phobes is a misclassification since everything else about Christianity they are generally okay with.

My point is this: These networks are not anti-Christian, they're against anti-gay rights activists.

 

[PennEd]

The show wasn't cancelled because the brothers were Christian. The show was canceled because they were supporting anti-gay rights organizations.

Please, let's get it right!

If these brothers didn't support anti-gay organizations, then the producers wouldn't have minded the fact that they're Christian. It's not anti-Christian. It's anti-opposition to gay rights. This is a very important distinction to make.



She never said you didn't have the right to call them Christian-phobes. She simply disagreed with you.

There's a difference between saying, "you're wrong/I disagree" and "you're not allowed to say that/should not be allowed to say that."



Can you please clarify what you mean by sexual abuse? Because most people who use the term sexual abuse are referring to sexual assault and rape. HGTV DOES NOT SUPPORT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RAPE.



It wasn't a blatant Christian-phobia move. It was a move against anti-homosexuality.

Christianity isn't solely based off of being against homosexuality. There's a lot more to Christianity than just that. These networks are only concerned with the SINGLE Christian belief that homosexuality is wrong. They aren't against everything else Christianity stands for, only that one very particular view. So calling these people Christian-phobes is a misclassification since everything else about Christianity they are generally okay with.

My point is this: These networks are not anti-Christian, they're against anti-gay rights activists.

Basically what this poster is saying is "Sure your'e allowed to be a Christian as long as you don't believe, follow, or put into action what the BIBLE actually says".

MAKE NO MISTAKE! THIS SHOW WAS CANCELLED BECAUSE OF ANTI-CHRISTIAN BIGOTRY AND INTOLERANCE MIXED WITH EXTORTION FROM THOSE WHO HATE THEM.

 

[gb9]

well, you can believe it but you better not say it!! see, this is my take on this: it is o.k to be a Christian as long as you don't go against what society has declared to be the norm. because they want to be in charge , not God. they want flexible rules that they can change not the unchanging Word of God.

 

[Percepi]

Basically what this poster is saying is "Sure your'e allowed to be a Christian as long as you don't believe, follow, or put into action what the BIBLE actually says".

That's not what I said at all.

I said the reason the show was canceled was due to the brother's actions against gay-rights. The network didn't mind them being Christian.

Now, you can argue that the only way you can be a true Christian is if you oppose homosexuality. Fine, but we need to establish that the network canceled the show due to the one, very specific, Christian view that homosexuality is wrong. When you say the network canceled the show because the brothers were Christian, then you make it sound as if the network has a problem with people who believe in Jesus, worship God, etc. That's not the case.

 

[J-Kay-2]

The show wasn't cancelled because the brothers were Christian. The show was canceled because they were supporting anti-gay rights organizations.

Please, let's get it right!

If these brothers didn't support anti-gay organizations, then the producers wouldn't have minded the fact that they're Christian. It's not anti-Christian. It's anti-opposition to gay rights. This is a very important distinction to make.



She never said you didn't have the right to call them Christian-phobes. She simply disagreed with you.

There's a difference between saying, "you're wrong/I disagree" and "you're not allowed to say that/should not be allowed to say that."



Can you please clarify what you mean by sexual abuse? Because most people who use the term sexual abuse are referring to sexual assault and rape. HGTV DOES NOT SUPPORT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RAPE.



It wasn't a blatant Christian-phobia move. It was a move against anti-homosexuality.

Christianity isn't solely based off of being against homosexuality. There's a lot more to Christianity than just that. These networks are only concerned with the SINGLE Christian belief that homosexuality is wrong. They aren't against everything else Christianity stands for, only that one very particular view. So calling these people Christian-phobes is a misclassification since everything else about Christianity they are generally okay with.

My point is this: These networks are not anti-Christian, they're against anti-gay rights activists.

Please back up the truck...Start over with the original post. You are taking
mine and adding it to someone else. I would like for you to make that
clear to anyone who reads yours.

You are right. She and I disagree. It might surprise a lot of people how
many have protested to HGTV.

Sexual ? I never said a word about sexual. I am J~ Kay ~ 2 (check it out )

Also, here is a link to HGTV and I really would like for you to go over there
and check out how many are opting out of HGTV.
Thanks.
https://www.facebook.com/HGTV

 

[J-Kay-2]

That's not what I said at all.

I said the reason the show was canceled was due to the brother's actions against gay-rights. The network didn't mind them being Christian.

Now, you can argue that the only way you can be a true Christian is if you oppose homosexuality. Fine, but we need to establish that the network canceled the show due to the one, very specific, Christian view that homosexuality is wrong. When you say the network canceled the show because the brothers were Christian, then you make it sound as if the network has a problem with people who believe in Jesus, worship God, etc. That's not the case.

How do you know for certain they are not against Christians ? Please
tell where you have gotten the info from. If they can keep 2 bros. off
the air for even being anti-gay and they base it on the Bible, and they
are Christians, it appears to me we can say.... they are anti-christian.
JMO. J~K~2
https://www.facebook.com/HGTV

 

[J-Kay-2]

well, you can believe it but you better not say it!! see, this is my take on this: it is o.k to be a Christian as long as you don't go against what society has declared to be the norm. because they want to be in charge , not God. they want flexible rules that they can change not the unchanging Word of God.

When I posted the World today thinks because they have taken Gods Word
and run it through a "hogs troth', they have the right to change the entire
world to fit their sinful lifestyle.

Good grief we all have sinned and fallen short the Glory of God. And you
and I know we are saved by the Blood of Jesus. I am amazed at how many
Christians have said, well this is the 'new age' and anything goes. The
Bible is so passe' ...... When they continue to make the work Jesus did on
the Cross a mockery, the more judgement and wrath of God will come
upon us.


I am like some on HGTV who are protesting what they have done, I
don't care what anyone thinks of me for disagreeing with the lifestyle
of the 'LGBT' community. I will take my stand for Christ, even if I
am called an activist. Oh, a CHRISTIAN ACTIVIST. ~

https://www.facebook.com/HGTV

 

[J-Kay-2]

HGTV isn't "Christian-phobic." Even if it isn't espousing a blatantly pro-Christian perspective through some of its shows and featured guests, it's not as if it's somehow arbitrarily anti-Christian. It's simply another television network that's justifiably attempting to cater to the largest denominator by appealing to a broader audience, which thus maintains high ratings for the network. It's how television always has been with respect to private for-profit networks, and it's how it always will be.

Liza: Please take time to go to the link I post. It will take you to HGTV.
You will see I am not alone in this thought. Thanks.

https://www.facebook.com/HGTV

 

[Percepi]

Please back up the truck...Start over with the original post. You are taking
mine and adding it to someone else. I would like for you to make that
clear to anyone who reads yours.

You are right. She and I disagree. It might surprise a lot of people how
many have protested to HGTV.

Sexual ? I never said a word about sexual. I am J~ Kay ~ 2 (check it out )

Also, here is a link to HGTV and I really would like for you to go over there
and check out how many are opting out of HGTV.
Thanks.
https://www.facebook.com/HGTV

I'm sorry, I should have been more clear with who said what. I'll try to be more clear in the future.

How do you know for certain they are not against Christians ? Please
tell where you have gotten the info from. If they can keep 2 bros. off
the air for even being anti-gay and they base it on the Bible, and they
are Christians, it appears to me we can say.... they are anti-christian.
JMO. J~K~2

They stated specifically why they canceled the show. Unless you have evidence that they were banned for their other beliefs regarding Christianity, it stands that there's only reason to accuse them of being against the brothers position against homosexuality.

Far too many people view this as an attack against Christianity as a whole. It's only an attack against one specific view, a view that's held by many/most/all Christians. But it's that very particular view that's under fire - nothing else. They didn't cancel the show because the brothers worship God, or because they believe in Jesus. They canceled the show because the brothers were donating money to anti-gay right organizations.

Imagine if a cop pulls over a man. The man says to the cop, "you pulled me over because I'm a man." The cop responds, "No, I pulled you over because you're drunk." It may be true that the driver was male, but that wasn't the reason he was pulled over. The same is true with this situation. The brothers had their show canceled because they were against gay rights, not because they were Christians - even if their views on homosexuality stem from their Christianity.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Muslims, as long as they don't try to force their religion on other people or resort to violence. If an extremist Muslim shouts "You're just angry that we worship Allah", I would respond, "No, it's because you want to force you views on other people through violence."

I hope those analogies help make it clear what I mean. Yes, these brothers are having their show canceled due to one of their Christian beliefs, but not because those beliefs are Christian - instead it has to do with those beliefs being anti-gay.

So, in brief: Saying the network is being anti-Christian by banning opposition to gay rights is like saying the government banning murder is in opposition against Islam. Only one position is being attacked, not the religion as a whole.