HGTV - CHRISTIAN PHOBIC ?

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They stated specifically why they canceled the show. Unless you have evidence that they were banned for their other beliefs regarding Christianity, it stands that there's only reason to accuse them of being against the brothers position against homosexuality.

Far too many people view this as an attack against Christianity as a whole. It's only an attack against one specific view, a view that's held by many/most/all Christians. But it's that very particular view that's under fire - nothing else. They didn't cancel the show because the brothers worship God, or because they believe in Jesus. They canceled the show because the brothers were donating money to anti-gay right organizations.

Imagine if a cop pulls over a man. The man says to the cop, "you pulled me over because I'm a man." The cop responds, "No, I pulled you over because you're drunk." It may be true that the driver was male, but that wasn't the reason he was pulled over. The same is true with this situation. The brothers had their show canceled because they were against gay rights, not because they were Christians - even if their views on homosexuality stem from their Christianity.

Personally, I don't have a problem with Muslims, as long as they don't try to force their religion on other people or resort to violence. If an extremist Muslim shouts "You're just angry that we worship Allah", I would respond, "No, it's because you want to force you views on other people through violence."

I hope those analogies help make it clear what I mean. Yes, these brothers are having their show canceled due to one of their Christian beliefs, but not because those beliefs are Christian - instead it has to do with those beliefs being anti-gay.

So, in brief: Saying the network is being anti-Christian by banning opposition to gay rights is like saying the government banning murder is in opposition against Islam. Only one position is being attacked, not the religion as a whole.
If HGTV is legally capable of banning a show due to someone's personal views on any issue, it is morally wrong. I agree with you that HGTV has not banned the show due to them being Christian, but the simple fact that they banned the show due to their political and moral belief against homosexuality shows their own "intolerance", as many liberals like to say.

I disagree with homosexuality, but I actually worked for a an old gay couple recently in an antique shop. I knew they were gay, and I disagreed with it, but I treated them no differently than anyone else while continuing my work in a professional manner. A week after I was hired they found out I was against gay marriage and homosexuality and so they fired me.

Tell me, who's the one being discriminated against here? There are so many cases across this nation of Christians being fired for their traditional marriage viewpoint that there are now multiple organizations being founded around the country to help support Christians who are being dropped due to their views.

I've worked along side Muslims, Buddhists, Atheists, Agnostics, people having extra-marital affairs, people having sex with their boyfriends and girlfriends before marriage, and homosexuals; and they all openly knew my personal views regarding each subject. That is the very definition of diversity: Being willing to work with and treat with respect everyone despite our differences in belief. However for some reason I am no longer able to openly say that I am against homosexual marriage or partnership, without fear of losing my job and being ostracized from the community.

Who's discriminating against who?

What HGTV has done is the same thing that's happening everywhere in today's society. It's ironic that those claiming the side of "Tolerance" are incredibly intolerant of anyone who opposes their view.
 
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Can you please clarify what you mean by sexual abuse? Because most people who use the term sexual abuse are referring to sexual assault and rape. HGTV DOES NOT SUPPORT SEXUAL ASSAULT AND RAPE.



It wasn't a blatant Christian-phobia move. It was a move against anti-homosexuality.

Christianity isn't solely based off of being against homosexuality. There's a lot more to Christianity than just that. These networks are only concerned with the SINGLE Christian belief that homosexuality is wrong. They aren't against everything else Christianity stands for, only that one very particular view. So calling these people Christian-phobes is a misclassification since everything else about Christianity they are generally okay with.

My point is this: These networks are not anti-Christian, they're against anti-gay rights activists.
Point 1: In regards to sexual abuse, yes homosexuality is sexual abuse. We are familiar with what the term sexual means I believe. Therefore let us examine the word abuse.
Abuse | Define Abuse at Dictionary.com

verb (used with object), a·bused, a·bus·ing.
1. to use wrongly or improperly; misuse: to abuse one's authority.

2. to treat in a harmful, injurious, or offensive way: to abuse a horse; to abuse one's eyesight.

3. to speak insultingly, harshly, and unjustly to or about; revile; malign.

4. to commit sexual assault upon.

5. Obsolete . to deceive or mislead.

noun
6. wrong or improper use; misuse: the abuse of privileges.

7. harshly or coarsely insulting language: The officer heaped abuse on his men.

8. bad or improper treatment; maltreatment: The child was subjected to cruel abuse.

9. a corrupt or improper practice or custom: the abuses of a totalitarian regime.

10. rape or sexual assault.

11. Obsolete , deception.

So it is we can clearly see that homosexuality is a form of sexual abuse, thus HGTV and many organizations are supporters of sexual abuse.

Point 2: In regards to my claim that A&E is christian-phobic. First off, let me state I am not a fan of Duck Dynasty personally, so I am in no way attempting to defend the show for any sort of bias. I hold this to be true not just because of the temporary firing of the Duck Patriarch over his comments agaisnt sexual abuse. What sets the DD case apart from this HGTV case is A&E actually have a history of priorly trying to remove anything of Christianity including Jesus name and adding in fake bleeps whenever Christian themes were mentioned from this show and also trying to or outright suppressing the Robertson family's right to freedom of religion outright. As opposed to this HGTV case which I perceive as more of a business decision due to the fact this show has not aired yet.

Here is an article supporting the claim of A&E's christophobia:
FLASHBACK: A&E Tried to Cut 'Jesus' from 'Duck Dynasty' Family Prayers | Truth Revolt
 
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So it is we can clearly see that homosexuality is a form of sexual abuse, thus HGTV and many organizations are supporters of sexual abuse.
Now we're just arguing semantics. I can understand how homosexuality is sexual abuse in the same way masturbation might be considered sexual abuse, but it's not sexual abuse in the same manner rape and non-consensual fondling is sexual abuse. If you agree, you should find a better way to word your point. If you disagree and you believe consensual gay sex is just as wrong as rape, then we're not going to get along.

Point 2: In regards to my claim that A&E is christian-phobic. First off, let me state I am not a fan of Duck Dynasty personally, so I am in no way attempting to defend the show for any sort of bias. I hold this to be true not just because of the temporary firing of the Duck Patriarch over his comments agaisnt sexual abuse. What sets the DD case apart from this HGTV case is A&E actually have a history of priorly trying to remove anything of Christianity including Jesus name and adding in fake bleeps whenever Christian themes were mentioned from this show and also trying to or outright suppressing the Robertson family's right to freedom of religion outright. As opposed to this HGTV case which I perceive as more of a business decision due to the fact this show has not aired yet.
I'll concede that you bring up a very strong point and have proven me largely incorrect. I can understand more clearly how the network can be considered Christian-phobic. Admittedly, I still believe it has less to do with Christianity and more to do with the network wanting to avoid offending people. Clearly, that has backfired.

What HGTV has done is the same thing that's happening everywhere in today's society. It's ironic that those claiming the side of "Tolerance" are incredibly intolerant of anyone who opposes their view.
HGTV is discriminating against anti-gay right activists. That's true.

There's an ever growing discrimination against anti-gay rights activist as a response to the discrimination against homosexuals. Whether or not I agree or disagree with such discriminations doesn't change the fact that I support private property rights. If a network doesn't want to hire anti-gay right activists, they're allowed to do so. It's their property. If a Christian doesn't want to sell a wedding cake to a gay couple, it should be his right not to do so since it's his business (Some states have anti-discrimination laws - I disagree with them). What I take issue with is when people try to use the government to control us. I disagree with people who want the government to ban gay marriage, but I also disagree with people who want the government to tell us how to run our business and who we can and can not serve. For example, if I don't like the fact that a business doesn't serve homosexuals - I'll simply take my business elsewhere (and possibly tell other people not to eat there as well). But I would never propose the government force the business to serve homosexuals.

I'm a pretty hard-core libertarian as you can probably tell.
 
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Also, something else I would like to point out. Apparently Jen Hatmaker was offered a show on HGTV. She runs a Christian blog and is very religious herself. In fact, she even believes marriage is between one man and one woman.

Clearly, HGTV isn't Christian-phobic, they just don't want to support people who are actively campaigning against homosexuals through anti-gay rights organisations.
 
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Also, something else I would like to point out. Apparently Jen Hatmaker was offered a show on HGTV. She runs a Christian blog and is very religious herself. In fact, she even believes marriage is between one man and one woman.

Clearly, HGTV isn't Christian-phobic, they just don't want to support people who are actively campaigning against homosexuals through anti-gay rights organisations.
I am original poster of Thread. I am the one who said they
are Christian phobic. For those who feel I was wrong in using
that term, I say.... I am sorry. The only excuse I have to give,
I was angry. There is a new update on what happened to
the brothers business. It is posted on a new Thread.
It is about the Brothers Business losing their banks support.
So, it appears there are a lot of anti-christians multiplying
quickly. How can that be justified ?
 
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J-Kay-2

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Also, something else I would like to point out. Apparently Jen Hatmaker was offered a show on HGTV. She runs a Christian blog and is very religious herself. In fact, she even believes marriage is between one man and one woman.

Clearly, HGTV isn't Christian-phobic, they just don't want to support people who are actively campaigning against homosexuals through anti-gay rights organisations.
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